Buffalo Bills Training Camp - July 16 (rookies), July 23 (veterans)

[Jim Bob]

I don't think his previous issues had to do with DUI (at least he was never charged with it). Just going 120 mph on the freeway, driving "aggressively" and causing a multi-car pileup. As Dubi Doo said, it was believed he was racing with a former SMU teammate. His charges all had to do with aggravated assault and collision causing various levels of injury.

Kid from SMU was suspended from school, but I doubt KC cares enough to punish Rice, even for a 2nd incident in the same offseason.

It is a question of what the NFL will do. There were reports out there that KC was expecting Rice to get suspended for around 8 games for the racing accident. With this on top of that...

 

[tsujimoto74]

Did not come in here expecting to see Tuli Kupferberg being quoted lol.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Well Beane said Bishop was the last 2nd round grade on their board, and the room was authentically happy to get him.

I do get a weird vibe from the video though. Nobody mentions Coleman until after they traded from 32 to 33. I'd be willing to bet they had Legette higher on their board. Maybe even Pearsall too. But they clearly weren't interested in Worthy.

I think that has a lot more to do with their draft board and grades, and not much to do with Coleman or Bishop.

I said a while back that picks 25-40 looked the same to me in terms of grades. So once Beane couldn't get a trade up, which was reported but not in the video, then he was looking for value.

Plus, going from Day 1 to having basically 24 hours to sit on a pick, which Beane says at the 4:21 mark that it's Keon Coleman, takes a ton of the wind out of the sails. They knew it was Coleman, so it wasn't like the excitement of someone like Kincaid being there, or Bishop falling, etc.

Plus, at the 9:05 mark Beane said he's glad Coleman ran a slow 40 time so it would be easier to draft him. So I don't think it was a let down.

It's just situational.

 

[truthbluth]

I think that has a lot more to do with their draft board and grades, and not much to do with Coleman or Bishop.

I said a while back that picks 25-40 looked the same to me in terms of grades. So once Beane couldn't get a trade up, which was reported but not in the video, then he was looking for value.

Plus, going from Day 1 to having basically 24 hours to sit on a pick, which Beane says at the 4:21 mark that it's Keon Coleman, takes a ton of the wind out of the sails. They knew it was Coleman, so it wasn't like the excitement of someone like Kincaid being there, or Bishop falling, etc.

Plus, at the 9:05 mark Beane said he's glad Coleman ran a slow 40 time so it would be easier to draft him. So I don't think it was a let down.

It's just situational.

I don't think it was a let down, but I'm saying, they weren't targeting Coleman with the trade down.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Dingo44]

So glad he's not the Bills problem.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[buffa dud]

Why is it someone else's responsibility to make sure Rice doesn't foul up his career? If the dude isn't smart enough to keep his focus on football, he deserves to lose his place in the league, and someone else deserves the opportunity to be a better man.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I don't think it was a let down, but I'm saying, they weren't targeting Coleman with the trade down.

Sure, but it's clear that Beane liked him at the combine, so it wasn't the type of pick where the Bills were stuck and just took BPA as the sole factor. I think Coleman probably had a similar grade to a bunch of players, so Beane factored in need. Then among the receivers, they liked him the best.

It was a good series of moves by Beane.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Spending on elite players is fine.

Paying good players like they're elite is where you get yourself into trouble.

Right. And using the Miller swing as an example - it was pretty clearly a dumb move to invest so much into a guy who was well past his best.

Well Beane said Bishop was the last 2nd round grade on their board, and the room was authentically happy to get him.

I do get a weird vibe from the video though. Nobody mentions Coleman until after they traded from 32 to 33. I'd be willing to bet they had Legette higher on their board. Maybe even Pearsall too. But they clearly weren't interested in Worthy.

I'm just about to watch it. But it was pretty obvious Carolina were going to pick Legette. If he was really their guy - there's no way they'd have let Carolina jump ahead of them to get him.

Tough not to like Legette the man after watching his first presser in Carolina though. He's as likeable as Coleman if not more so.

I think that has a lot more to do with their draft board and grades, and not much to do with Coleman or Bishop.

I said a while back that picks 25-40 looked the same to me in terms of grades. So once Beane couldn't get a trade up, which was reported but not in the video, then he was looking for value.

Plus, going from Day 1 to having basically 24 hours to sit on a pick, which Beane says at the 4:21 mark that it's Keon Coleman, takes a ton of the wind out of the sails. They knew it was Coleman, so it wasn't like the excitement of someone like Kincaid being there, or Bishop falling, etc.

Plus, at the 9:05 mark Beane said he's glad Coleman ran a slow 40 time so it would be easier to draft him. So I don't think it was a let down.

It's just situational.

Beane confirmed in his post draft presser that there were absolutely no discussions re a trade up. I doubt that was ever on the cards.

Agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Jim Bob]

Beane confirmed in his post draft presser that there were absolutely no discussions re a trade up. I doubt that was ever on the cards.

Agree with the rest of your post.

Beane said that a trade up into the top 10 was all smoke and that he was unwilling to move pick 60 to move up later in the 1st round.

So, it sounds like he did try to move up from 28. But, all the teams they called wanted the 2nd rounder and that was no bueno.

 

[missingmika]

Right. And using the Miller swing as an example - it was pretty clearly a dumb move to invest so much into a guy who was well past his best.

I'm just about to watch it. But it was pretty obvious Carolina were going to pick Legette. If he was really their guy - there's no way they'd have let Carolina jump ahead of them to get him.

Tough not to like Legette the man after watching his first presser in Carolina though. He's as likeable as Coleman if not more so.

Beane confirmed in his post draft presser that there were absolutely no discussions re a trade up. I doubt that was ever on the cards.

Agree with the rest of your post.

Thats a poor take on Miller.

Millers contract would be fine if not for the injury.

While just playing 11 games he still led the team in sacks, second in TFL, 3rd in QB hits.

What he did at the end of the KC regular season game is exactly why the Bills needed him and what he was capable of.

He just got unlucky and got hurt.

 

[Husko]

Thats a poor take on Miller.

Millers contract would be fine if not for the injury.

While just playing 11 games he still led the team in sacks, second in TFL, 3rd in QB hits.

What he did at the end of the KC regular season game is exactly why the Bills needed him and what he was capable of.

He just got unlucky and got hurt.

Though I do think it's fair to say they should have been more weary of the potential for catastrophic injury given Miller's age. I still think on balance it was worth the swing, but that risk was baked in.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Right. And using the Miller swing as an example - it was pretty clearly a dumb move to invest so much into a guy who was well past his best.

I'm just about to watch it. But it was pretty obvious Carolina were going to pick Legette. If he was really their guy - there's no way they'd have let Carolina jump ahead of them to get him.

Tough not to like Legette the man after watching his first presser in Carolina though. He's as likeable as Coleman if not more so.

Beane confirmed in his post draft presser that there were absolutely no discussions re a trade up. I doubt that was ever on the cards.

Agree with the rest of your post.

I missed that. I saw a report that he tried to trade up on draft night but can't remember who it was, as I'm not on X or instagram.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Der Jaeger]

Off topic a bit. So, it seems the transition plan is for Terry to slowly empower his oldest daughter, Laura, to take over the business. She's been a part of the family business for a while, so it makes sense with Kim's health concerns and Terry's age.

Is transfer of a team something that Terry can just do my making his daughter a minority owner, and then eventually take over? Is there an inheritance tax that makes that type of transition difficult? Thinking long term about both team staying in Buffalo.

I didn't even know Pegula had an older daughter until the report came out of her taking part of the team. Has she been part of the process the whole time? Is she also married to someone who is part of the Pegula team (like Jessica was)?

I'm not a businessman, but I'd have to think that Terry didn't get to where he is without thinking this type of stuff through.

 

[Jim Bob]

Off topic a bit. So, it seems the transition plan is for Terry to slowly empower his oldest daughter, Laura, to take over the business. She's been a part of the family business for a while, so it makes sense with Kim's health concerns and Terry's age.

Is transfer of a team something that Terry can just do my making his daughter a minority owner, and then eventually take over? Is there an inheritance tax that makes that type of transition difficult? Thinking long term about both team staying in Buffalo.

I didn't even know Pegula had an older daughter until the report came out of her taking part of the team. Has she been part of the process the whole time? Is she also married to someone who is part of the Pegula team (like Jessica was)?

I'm not a businessman, but I'd have to think that Terry didn't get to where he is without thinking this type of stuff through.

The NFL has hard and fast rules around having succession plans. With Kim's health issues and Terry's age, the NFL needed the Pegulas to come up with a succession plan. The plan is that the team will go to Laura and that was why she was given the small ownership stake now.

There are inheritance tax issues to consider. But, given how determined Terry & Kim have been that they want to hand the team down to their kids, I would suspect that they have plans for that like setting aside a fund to cover taxes.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The NFL has hard and fast rules around having succession plans. With Kim's health issues and Terry's age, the NFL needed the Pegulas to come up with a succession plan. The plan is that the team will go to Laura and that was why she was given the small ownership stake now.

There are inheritance tax issues to consider. But, given how determined Terry & Kim have been that they want to hand the team down to their kids, I would suspect that they have plans for that like setting aside a fund to cover taxes.

I wonder at some point if Terry transfers more of the team's ownership stake to Laura, where at some point she is a majority owner.

 

[Jim Bob]

I wonder at some point if Terry transfers more of the team's ownership stake to Laura, where at some point she is a majority owner.

It seems like that won't happen as long as Terry remains actively involved. And from the Embedded on the draft, he is still locked in.

Plus, there will be drama to work through with the other kids.

 

[John Price]

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I missed that. I saw a report that he tried to trade up on draft night but can't remember who it was, as I'm not on X or instagram.

I don't have any of those either - i only see what @Jim Bob & others post in here.

I was referring to Beane's presser where he said that they didn't even contemplate making a 'big' move up & when they wanted to enquire about making a 'small' move up, nobody was taking calls. Sounds like this would just have been him doing due diligence anyway - but based on these quotes i seriously doubt there were any finite discussions or plans to move up from 28. Which then takes us to the rest of your OP which i completely agreed with - about him maximising value, identifying that the values of the players picked at 28 / 33 were the same & how trading down would benefit them in the long run.

FYI he also confirmed that he DID try to move up from 60 to select Bishop & the reaction we saw in the war room was likely a result of them getting their guy despite not being able to agree a move up.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

John Murphy steps away from Bill's play-by-play duties​

https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/sports/bills/longtime-bills-voice-john-murphy-steps-away-from-play-by-play-duties

 

[Der Jaeger]

It seems like that won't happen as long as Terry remains actively involved. And from the Embedded on the draft, he is still locked in.

Plus, there will be drama to work through with the other kids.

I think the drama is already there.

Jessica's husband was part of the organization. After Kim was not longer part of the decision making, he was fired. I'm not implying anything at all, just noting the timing.

Now Laura has a much bigger part of the organization, which makes sense in part due to her role with the oil and gas company.

I'd assume there's already some drama between sisters based on that situation. I wonder if Laura is married and if so, is her husband part of the oil and gas business? Because that'd be the logical team for Terry to pass the business to.

I don't have any of those either - i only see what @Jim Bob & others post in here.

I was referring to Beane's presser where he said that they didn't even contemplate making a 'big' move up & when they wanted to enquire about making a 'small' move up, nobody was taking calls. Sounds like this would just have been him doing due diligence anyway - but based on these quotes i seriously doubt there were any finite discussions or plans to move up from 28. Which then takes us to the rest of your OP which i completely agreed with - about him maximising value, identifying that the values of the players picked at 28 / 33 were the same & how trading down would benefit them in the long run.

FYI he also confirmed that he DID try to move up from 60 to select Bishop & the reaction we saw in the war room was likely a result of them getting their guy despite not being able to agree a move up.

That's funny, because I rely on everyone here for news that comes across X and Instagram.

Beane's management of the 28th pick was masterful. It's clear he liked Coleman, but assuming that Coleman was gone, he'd probably take another pick from the tier.