GDT: Training Camp discussion - Rifai and Murray on waivers -- Steeves clears

[ULF_55]

He had a long stretch in 2018 when Matthews was hurt

Got 10 games or so and his production died pretty bad that year.

2018 was when he missed training camp and started his season December 6th.

 

[hamzarocks]

2018 was when he missed training camp and started his season December 6th.

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2017-2018 not 2018-2019

I use the end of the season as year I am talking and not start so sorry for the cofusion

2017-2018 Matthews 2nd year he missed 20 games total. I remember Nylander playing C during that stretch by Babcock and not producing great

 

[ULF_55]

2017-2018 not 2018-2019

I use the end of the season as year I am talking and not start so sorry for the cofusion

2017-2018 Matthews 2nd year he missed 20 games total. I remember Nylander playing C during that stretch by Babcock and not producing great

This is interesting:

marner -1
Nylander +20

We know this isn't a great stat, so if it doesn't matter, it still doesn't matter. Right?

 

[IPS]

Live footage of @leaffann seeing that A. Nylander is not starting on W. Nylander's line

 

[shaner8989]

Jarnkrok in the top 6 makes me sick. He’s so useless.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Jarnkrok in the top 6 makes me sick. He’s so useless.

We really don't need him in the top 6. We have some pieces to use now.

 

[ULF_55]

We really don't need him in the top 6. We have some pieces to use now.

Place holder until Grebenkin gets acclimatized to the NA ice.

 

[Antropovsky]

Interesting to see Murray is up 20lbs from 200 in 23, to 224 this year. Biggest change was Rifai up 28lbs from 23'. Dewar up 18lbs, Grebenkin up 18 lbs.

 

[arso40]

This is interesting:

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marner -1
Nylander +20

We know this isn't a great stat, so if it doesn't matter, it still doesn't matter. Right?

So lemme get this straight the great defensive winger without matthews isnt all that great of a defensive player and the horrible defensive player willie looks like a great 2 way player playing along side the captain........interesting

Place holder until Grebenkin gets acclimatized to the NA ice.

or alex

 

[notDatsyuk]

Gimme a break. We need 3 scoring lines. We have 3 guys paid enough to drive a line but only 2 Centers . We need a 2 to 3 C to emerge.

We have four guys paid enough to drive a line, but only two who (still) can. One of them looks to finally get a chance at 2C, which should move JT to 3C.

 

[notDatsyuk]

He had a long stretch in 2018 when Matthews was hurt

Got 10 games or so and his production died pretty bad that year.

After that it was brief stints. At 28 going 29, nylander gets 0 benefit of doubt that he is a center. Has to go out and dominate training camp, and early season as a C to show he can make the switch

At 11.5M there will be huge expectations, him trying to play C wont be an excuse if he fails to deliver. Leash at C for Nylander should not be too long. If he does good in 3-4 games give him a longer look, if he is medicore or struggles kill the experiment and get him to Winger so he can attempt to live up to his deal at least.

A few games thrown in as a 3C at age 21 may not be the best sample, but generally I agree. I think he deserves closer to 20 games before giving up, partly as we really don't have much else to use as 2C at the moment.

Would you rather spend 11.5 on a C or a W?

 

[notDatsyuk]

LMAO Willy throwing some shades on Keefer LOL

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836837687581687844

P.S. Absolutely HATE that Marner gets to f***ing play with Matthews AGAIN. What the F is marner even f***ing worth without matthews then? 11 AAV winger looking for 14AAV needs a 13 AAV center to produce else he is trash isn't it? Really disgusting!!!

I think Willy very much had the answer, and was very diplomatic about it.

As far as Marner playing with Matthews goes, I agree (sans profanity) but it's just the start of training camp, so hopefully that changes. (Maybe they want to showcase him to possibly spark trade interest.)

 

[notDatsyuk]

So lemme get this straight the great defensive winger without matthews isnt all that great of a defensive player and the horrible defensive player willie looks like a great 2 way player playing along side the captain........interesting


or alex

Willy was also +3 playing center in the 10 game stretch in Feb/Mar 2018 when Matty was injured.

 

[aingefan]

Always been the case with Nylander. He's always had the skill, it's the 'will' that's been inconsistent.

That doesn’t make sense.
He’s 100% Will.

 

[Roo]

Some people need to chill, it’s practice #1

 

[Dekes For Days]

I don’t know why they never gave Willy a proper run at centre

Because we already had two high-end centers, and Nylander is better as a winger. Past versions of Willy, even more so.

 

[notbias]

This is interesting:

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marner -1
Nylander +20

We know this isn't a great stat, so if it doesn't matter, it still doesn't matter. Right?

It matters if you want it to...

You have the most random pulls to show Nylander is better than Marner.

 

[notbias]

So lemme get this straight the great defensive winger without matthews isnt all that great of a defensive player and the horrible defensive player willie looks like a great 2 way player playing along side the captain........interesting

That is not what it means and +/- isn't a good stat... but push that narrative all you want, wait until you see the playoffs... all of a sudden Marner > everyone at F (Rielly leads).

At 5v5, Marner and Matthews tend to lead the forwards in G%, which means when they are on the ice, we are winning the most... so they are the best playoff performers?

 

[Dekes For Days]

So lemme get this straight the great defensive winger without matthews isnt all that great of a defensive player and the horrible defensive player willie looks like a great 2 way player playing along side the captain....

Quite the opposite. Marner is still great defensively away from Matthews, and Nylander doesn't suddenly turn into a great 2 way player with Matthews. In fact, the referenced year was one of Nylander's worst defensively. +/- is worthless, and not a defensive stat. Ironically, it being higher had more to do with the inflated outlier 5v5 OISH% he had that year.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Interesting to see Murray is up 20lbs from 200 in 23, to 224 this year. Biggest change was Rifai up 28lbs from 23'. Dewar up 18lbs, Grebenkin up 18 lbs.

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Knies is gonna be a monster if he doesn't lose a step while putting in an extra 10 lbs

6'3 and 227 is big!!

 

[DarkKnight]

Domi Nylander doesn’t look a good pair on the face of it.

 

[ACC1224]

Knies is gonna be a monster if he doesn't lose a step while putting in an extra 10 lbs

6'3 and 227 is big!!

Hopefully he doesn't turn into Pat Maroon.

 

[Nineteen67]

Interesting to see Murray is up 20lbs from 200 in 23, to 224 this year. Biggest change was Rifai up 28lbs from 23'. Dewar up 18lbs, Grebenkin up 18 lbs.

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Have they changed their strength and conditioning coach or did they just change their philosophy?

 

[SprDaVE]

Good news that Danford is already skating. Love how involved Muzzin has been too.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837117319492866103

 

[SprDaVE]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837120243379904998