Training Camp and Preseason thread 2023

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How is leshitshow still on this squad? Every time he is on the ice he has looked bad, making the wrong play and messing up scoring opportunitie. Shoot this f***er into the sun!
I don't even remember why they claimed him in the first place last season. It was no secret even back then that he was one of the worst players in the NHL. He only played 13 games for the Rangers last season but even that is 13 too many.
 
If zegras isn’t taking 2-3 million from Anaheim, why is he taking 2.2 million from us? And Anaheim isn’t taking goodrow.
Not saying it will happen but I could see a scenario where Zegras doesn't want to short bridge because he may only want to stay in Anaheim on a big ticket cap hit on a long term deal and if they won't commit to him on a long term deal then he wants to bridge out to UFA which Anaheim understandably wouldn't want to do. If he would want to be here long term he may be more open to accepting a shorter bridge here and look to sign an extension when possible. I highly doubt this being a realistic possibility as I don't think Anaheim wants to move him but I could see something along those lines being the case as to why he hasn't signed in Anaheim yet. Like he may only want to commit to being there long term if they're going to pay him like 8x8 or something and if they're not going to give him the big ticket he may be looking at his future there thinking it's not worth the next few years of sucking if they're not going to pay him the way they just did Troy Terry.

I'd say the overwhelming most likely outcome is Zegras bridging in Anaheim anyway, just speculating.
 
Yeah but again, at this slow burn, Kreider, Panarin, Trochek and Zibanejad will all be aging and decreasing in effectiveness.

So add four more prime pieces to the need list then.
Put it this way…AP, MZ, CK, VT, FC, KK, & AL combined for 425 points last season. I fully expect that total for those 7 to increase if they’re all here and play over 75 games each.

The following season, we have ready youth to inject to mitigate any further drop off by the older half.
 
He looks the same since he was drafted
He should look at least a little better and faster just from experience (game slows down), physical maturity and mental maturity. Based on how his contract talks went this could be a make or break season for him. If I was a family member or agent I would encourage him to go to the team and request additional power skating coaching after practice every day. Not only will it improve his skating but it will improve his motor. A motor that will not quit can do a heck of a lot of good.
 
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He should look at least a little better and faster just from experience (game slows down), physical maturity and mental maturity. Based on how his contract talks went this could be a make or break season for him. If I was a family member or agent I would encourage him to go to the team and request additional power skating coaching after practice every day. Not only will it improve his skating but it will improve his motor. A motor that will not quit can do a heck of a lot of good.
He doesn't. He looks like he lost weight. So he's not physically more mature unless you viewed him as fat..

faster... well, his issue seems to be balance, pivots, and the few strides it takes to get going. His top speed isn't that slow when he's actually moving his feet. The best he's looked has been a small training camp clip. I don't think his skating has really changed since last season. He still does that stupid first step hop.
 
He doesn't. He looks like he lost weight. So he's not physically more mature unless you viewed him as fat..

faster... well, his issue seems to be balance, pivots, and the few strides it takes to get going. His top speed isn't that slow when he's actually moving his feet. The best he's looked has been a small training camp clip. I don't think his skating has really changed since last season. He still does that stupid first step hop.
Lighter can be a body maturing. Dropping some fat can be just as good as adding some muscles. I agree that his speed is not slow once he gets going but it isn't fast either. If he could improve his quickness that would probably help much more than top line speed. Honestly at this point I really just want him to ask the team for extra help (outside of practices) and hear he is putting in that effort.
 
You have data on this? I'd like to see that window vs. 30-33 and what the "decline" is.
I think this study is the thing most people reference when they bring this up: Most NHL players peak by age 29: study - UBC News.

I don't know, I do think that "most" players peak a bit earlier than most people seem to realize, but I would want to see a lot more evidence. There are also soooo many guys who defy the trends and remain just as productive into their 30s as they were during their 20s.

EDIT: There's this one, too, which I forgot about perhaps intentionally because it's way too much data and statistical analysis for me to comprehend: A New Look at Aging Curves for NHL Skaters (part 1)
 
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Yeah

Exit 1st rd in 4 straight after winning 2 out of the gate.

I do so love your positivity... it's a nice ray of sunshine in their plastic facade

Reality is dark
And your continuous doomsday outlooks are so entertaining. Plenty of good teams had first round exits. It was a 7 game series against a good Devils team that finished with more points than the Rangers. All is not lost because of that series loss. New coach and assistants, motivated players, better roster, more depth, all have me thinking it's going to be a good season. This is a good team so yea I'm excited about the upcoming season. You can continue to be a
 

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how many remain?
35

Forwards (20): Brett Berard, Nick Bonino, Jonny Brodzinski, Filip Chytil, Will Cuylle, Adam Edstrom, Barclay Goodrow, Kaapo Kakko, Chris Kreider, Alexis Lafreniere, Jake Leschyshyn, Brennan Othmann, Artemi Panarin, Tyler Pitlick, Matt Rempe, Adam Sykora, Vincent Trocheck, Jimmy Vesey, Blake Wheeler, Mika Zibanejad

Defensemen (11): Adam Fox, Erik Gustafsson, Ben Harpur, Mac Hollowell, Zac Jones, Ryan Lindgren, K’Andre Miller, Matthew Robertson, Brandon Scanlin, Braden Schneider, Jacob Trouba

Goaltenders (4): Louis Domingue, Dylan Garand, Jonathan Quick, Igor Shesterkin
 
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Forwards (20): Brett Berard, Nick Bonino, Jonny Brodzinski, Filip Chytil, Will Cuylle, Adam Edstrom, Barclay Goodrow, Kaapo Kakko, Chris Kreider, Alexis Lafreniere, Jake Leschyshyn, Brennan Othmann, Artemi Panarin, Tyler Pitlick, Matt Rempe, Adam Sykora, Vincent Trocheck, Jimmy Vesey, Blake Wheeler, Mika Zibanejad

Defensemen (11): Adam Fox, Erik Gustafsson, Ben Harpur, Mac Hollowell, Zac Jones, Ryan Lindgren, K’Andre Miller, Matthew Robertson, Brandon Scanlin, Braden Schneider, Jacob Trouba

Goaltenders (4): Louis Domingue, Dylan Garand, Jonathan Quick, Igor Shesterkin
My 23-24 Roster to start the year

(14) Forwards: Bonino, Chytil, Cuylle, Goodrow, Kakko, Kreider, Lafréniere, Othmann, Panarin, Pitlick, Trocheck, Vesey, Wheeler, Zibanejad

(7) Defenae: Fox, Gustafsson, Jones, Lindgren, Miller, Schneider, Trouba

(2) Goalies: Shesterkin, Quick


23 man roster both Othmann and Cuylle get looks to start the season. They earned it so far
 
My 23-24 Roster to start the year

(14) Forwards: Bonino, Chytil, Cuylle, Goodrow, Kakko, Kreider, Lafréniere, Othmann, Panarin, Pitlick, Trocheck, Vesey, Wheeler, Zibanejad

(7) Defenae: Fox, Gustafsson, Jones, Lindgren, Miller, Schneider, Trouba

(2) Goalies: Shesterkin, Quick


23 man roster both Othmann and Cuylle get looks to start the season. They earned it so far
Maybe.
But I doubt they carry 14F.
They could shuttle them for each other if team wants a kid as 13th F.

Promising kids need minutes, even at AHL level, to be best ready when NHL call may come.

But as we saw this week with injuries to Bread, Zib, Chytil, this season may see NYR missing man-games more like the average NHL team. If so, both kids, and depth vets, will get opportunities to contribute
 
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My 23-24 Roster to start the year

(14) Forwards: Bonino, Chytil, Cuylle, Goodrow, Kakko, Kreider, Lafréniere, Othmann, Panarin, Pitlick, Trocheck, Vesey, Wheeler, Zibanejad

(7) Defenae: Fox, Gustafsson, Jones, Lindgren, Miller, Schneider, Trouba

(2) Goalies: Shesterkin, Quick


23 man roster both Othmann and Cuylle get looks to start the season. They earned it so far
Have they really “earned it”. By no means do I think they have played bad. But have they played over the top exceptional? No, no they haven’t.

Cuylle has been good and he certainly could be an option on the 4th line, but I don’t have him doing enough to sit Vesey/Pitlick/Goodrow/Bonino.

Othmann. Love the kid. I think we have a legit top 6 PITA player here who can also score. While his effort and energy has been good, its not “enough” to warrant him being on this roster opening night on the 3rd line over being on the 1st line and 1st PP in Hartford. No I dont get excited by his goal on a broken play last night. Its just simply not enough to move the needle enough for him to be there. If they decided he should be on the opening night roster I certainly wouldn’t be upset, but I just don’t see “enough” of a reason to do that.

You are so quick to criticize Lafreniere. You brought up earlier how Cuylle/Othmann are more noticeable thus far, that they are working harder. You haven’t been watching hockey long if you can’t distinguish the difference between 2 players trying to crack an NHL opening night roster and a player who has already done so. It isn’t apples to apples. And not for nothing, Lafreniere does care and is working hard. Its just preseason.
 
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We know which one is better...

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Laff
Cuylle-Trocheck-Wheeler
Goodrow-Bonino-Vesey
Pitlick

vs

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Othmann
Cuylle-Trocheck-Wheeler
Goodrow-Bonino-Vesey
Pitlick

Trade Laf now while you can get something. Every line you consider putting him on is worse because he's on it. The Rangers are a better team with the second lineup. That's all that should matter.
 
We know which one is better...

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Laff
Cuylle-Trocheck-Wheeler
Goodrow-Bonino-Vesey
Pitlick

vs

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Othmann
Cuylle-Trocheck-Wheeler
Goodrow-Bonino-Vesey
Pitlick

Trade Laf now while you can get something. Every line you consider putting him on is worse because he's on it. The Rangers are a better team with the second lineup. That's all that should matter.
Fans of other teams are laughing at this nonsense.
 
You are so quick to criticize Lafreniere. You brought up earlier how Cuylle/Othmann are more noticeable thus far, that they are working harder. You haven’t been watching hockey long if you can’t distinguish the difference between 2 players trying to crack an NHL opening night roster and a player who has already done so. It isn’t apples to apples. And not for nothing, Lafreniere does care and is working hard. Its just preseason.
I'm not entirely thrilled with his effort, but its clearly a guy who's just trying to stay healthy also. He plays a very physical game, and thats not something you want to get banged up early. I will say he does actually look quicker. He still needs to do more with the puck, but Ive seen some very good looks from him that show his vision.
 
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I'm not entirely thrilled with his effort, but its clearly a guy who's just trying to stay healthy also. He plays a very physical game, and thats not something you want to get banged up early. I will say he does actually look quicker. He still needs to do more with the puck, but Ive seen some very good looks from him that show his vision.
Hearing you say Laf looks quicker gives me some hope.
 
Have they really “earned it”. By no means do I think they have played bad. But have they played over the top exceptional? No, no they haven’t.

Cuylle has been good and he certainly could be an option on the 4th line, but I don’t have him doing enough to sit Vesey/Pitlick/Goodrow/Bonino.

Othmann. Love the kid. I think we have a legit top 6 PITA player here who can also score. While his effort and energy has been good, its not “enough” to warrant him being on this roster opening night on the 3rd line over being on the 1st line and 1st PP in Hartford. No I dont get excited by his goal on a broken play last night. Its just simply not enough to move the needle enough for him to be there. If they decided he should be on the opening night roster I certainly wouldn’t be upset, but I just don’t see “enough” of a reason to do that.

You are so quick to criticize Lafreniere. You brought up earlier how Cuylle/Othmann are more noticeable thus far, that they are working harder. You haven’t been watching hockey long if you can’t distinguish the difference between 2 players trying to crack an NHL opening night roster and a player who has already done so. It isn’t apples to apples. And not for nothing, Lafreniere does care and is working hard. Its just preseason.
Cuylle is playing with skilled players for a reason. He's not some Tanner Glass type of 4th liner. He actually has skill. He wasn't drafted in the 2ed round to be a 4th line Ryan Reaves Tanner Glass goon.
 
Cuylle is playing with skilled players for a reason. He's not some Tanner Glass type of 4th liner. He actually has skill. He wasn't drafted in the 2ed round to be a 4th line Ryan Reaves Tanner Glass goon.
What does this even mean? Skill or no skill and no matter who he has gotten looks with in preseason, he is going to be on the 4th line here. On this particular team and roster. This year. If he even makes the team. He hasn’t done enough to displace Vesey/Pitlick/Bonino/Goodrow on a team that is going to be a playoff team. He can marinate further in HFD, hopefully dominate, and be one of the first callups.
 
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