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GDT: Training Camp 2021: Everyone Else Too Lazy to Make a Thread

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Edge said:
Looking at Hughes, Kakko and Dach, I can't say I came away wowed.

If Kakko was really struggling, and those guys were hitting it our of the park, maybe it sets off alarms for me.

But as-is, I saw three 18 year olds who learned very quickly just how good the competition is at the NHL compared to the rest of the world.

I liked what I saw after the break, I've liked what I've seen/heard since then.

I see a kid who wants to put in the work.
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I hope fans and pundits were a little humbled as well. 60+ points from an 18 yr old is the exception not the norm.
 
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Edge said:
Says something when a potential franchise player, who is only 18 months removed from being the second pick in his draft class, is almost flying under the radar to this point.
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lol - he's already "the other guy".
 
RGY said:
If you dont think being named captain of a professional sports organization is not a unique or special feeling for an athlete then I have a bridge to sell you. But your experience of playing sports for fun for half your life doesnt give you expert credibility in this discussion. Jared Spurgeon sure seemed to embrace it and was very humbled by it.
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If you think it's unique and special to where that same feeling isnt replicated by plenty of other things and all the normies can't possibly fathom what it's like (Yknow...what I actually said in response to someone making this claim) then I suggest strongly you find a way out of whatever rock you live under

Love how Im very specific about what we mean in this convo when we say "unique and special" bc this is the framework someone ELSE created.

Notice again. It's not "This isn't unique and special"

It's, "It's really nice and it's an honor but it's not SO unique and special that there's no way for a non athlete to experience something just like it. It's not SO unique and special that a non athlete could never fathom what it's like"

C'mon how could you not get the difference?

Did that so I could avoid the typical HF response where someone decides to throw out all context. Still get it here. Good job. Gl selling your bridge.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
Your opinion, guess i took sports more serious than you, have a feeling these NHLers do as well. But whatever makes you happy, even if that’s eating that big bowl of fruit loops on a sunday morning.
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As a reply to this

"There's a million things that give you the same feeling or better. It's like someone else said. people are really exaggerating/romanticizing what captaincy of a sports team is like. It is really nice and an honor but it is not unique. Clearly you dont mean to sound this way but it comes off as fairly elitist or (i don't mean this in a nasty way) naive to think that the feeling of being named captain in sports is this special, unique thing that normies can't even fathom."

What you just said makes zero sense
 
Hi ImHFNYR said:
As a reply to this

"There's a million things that give you the same feeling or better. It's like someone else said. people are really exaggerating/romanticizing what captaincy of a sports team is like. It is really nice and an honor but it is not unique. Clearly you dont mean to sound this way but it comes off as fairly elitist or (i don't mean this in a nasty way) naive to think that the feeling of being named captain in sports is this special, unique thing that normies can't even fathom."

What you just said makes zero sense
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This conversation is tiresome, enjoy the fruit loops ;)
 
GAGLine said:
Robertson is only 19. He has played in 4 WHL seasons, but I'm not sure that first year when he only played 7 games counts as a year for the purpose of the rule. Normally only players that are granted exceptional status play in the CHL for 4 years by the time they are 19, so I'm not sure why Robertson played any WHL games at all in 2016-17.

All of that said, it's unknown when the WHL will start again, so even if Robertson has to go back (assuming he isn't in the NHL), he will be able to play in the AHL until the WHL starts up.
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Think there is a new clause saying that if you turned 19 by September 5 that you could be sent to AHL for this year only.

Not sure how accurate that is though...
 
bleedblue94 said:
we need a captain discussion thread so this one can actually go back to what is happening in TRAINING CAMP and not arguments about the importance of a leader having the C or not on his jersey.
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You're right. This is the comment I should've made instead of opening myself up to contribute to the distraction by replying to a bunch of dumb shit
 
Hi ImHFNYR said:
If you think it's unique and special to where that same feeling isnt replicated by plenty of other things and all the normies can't possibly fathom what it's like (Yknow...what I actually said in response to someone making this claim) then I suggest strongly you find a way out of whatever rock you live under

Love how Im very specific about what we mean in this convo when we say "unique and special" bc this is the framework someone ELSE created.

Notice again. It's not "This isn't unique and special"

It's, "It's really nice and it's an honor but it's not SO unique and special that there's no way for a non athlete to experience something just like it. It's not SO unique and special that a non athlete could never fathom what it's like"

C'mon how could you not get the difference?

Did that so I could avoid the typical HF response where someone decides to throw out all context. Still get it here. Good job. Gl selling your bridge.
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What are you guys even arguing about? Of course it's unique and special to be made captain of a professional sports franchise. Can I as a non professional athlete experience unique and special honors? Absolutely. But it won't be the same as being given the C on the NYR.
 
broadwayblue said:
What are you guys even arguing about? Of course it's unique and special to be made captain of a professional sports franchise. Can I as a non professional athlete experience unique and special honors? Absolutely. But it won't be the same as being given the C on the NYR.
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Go back and catch up if you're really curious but like I was just saying, I shouldn't have even bothered. it's a really stupid discussion about how non athletes could never understand what being a sports captain is like bc there is nothing else even remotely like it. I jumped into bc I'm a glutton for bashing my head against the HF wall
 
GAGLine said:
Robertson is only 19. He has played in 4 WHL seasons, but I'm not sure that first year when he only played 7 games counts as a year for the purpose of the rule. Normally only players that are granted exceptional status play in the CHL for 4 years by the time they are 19, so I'm not sure why Robertson played any WHL games at all in 2016-17.

All of that said, it's unknown when the WHL will start again, so even if Robertson has to go back (assuming he isn't in the NHL), he will be able to play in the AHL until the WHL starts up.
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The Western league drafts kids earlier than the other leagues, so the top WHL draft prospects usually sneak in a couple of games, so that's what you're seeing with Robertson. Some don't show a lot in that early glimpse, but I remember Brayden "Always On" Point showing up for a playoff run, and he was Moose Jaw's best player on a surprise run back in 2012.
 
SA16 said:
It's close to the norm for forwards picked 1 or 2. I believe the average/median are both around 55 per 82.
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That sounds a little on the high end, but not too far off. I didn't adjust for per 82, but a quick glance at point totals (not per 82) for the last the last decade of top 3 picks:

2019: Hughes 21, Kakko 23, Dach 23

2018: Dahlin 44, Svecnikov 37, Kotkaniemi 34

2017: Hischier 52, Patrick 30, Heiskanen 0

2016: Matthews 69, Laine 64, Dubois 0

2015: McDavid 48, Eichel 56, Strome 0

2014: Ekblad 39, Reinhart 1, Draisatl 9

2013: MacKinnon 63, Barkov 24, Drouin 0

2012: Yakupov 31, Murray 0, Galchenyuk 27

2011: Nugent-Hopkins 52, Landeskog 52, Huberdeau 0

2010: Hall 42, Seguin 22, Gubranson 0

So the unadjusted average point totals for the top pick was 46, the average for the second pick was 31, and the third pick was about 9 points.

Significant drop from 1 to 2 and especially from 2 to 3, and a wide spectrum of totals.

The first pick had a spread of 21 to 69, the second pick had a spread from 0 to 64, and the third had a spread from 0 to 34.

So the non-adjusted point totals for the first two picks is about 37.5 (I would imagine adjustments drive it closer to the high 40s/low 50s), and that drops to about 29 if we add the third pick into the mix (so guessing high 30s/low 40s if we adjust).

Beyond the spread, we do see a noticeable drop year over year from a peak back in 2016. We also see that a higher start doesn't necessarily equate with follow-up success in the D+2 and D+3 seasons.

In Kakko's case the low end is not playing in the NHL at all as an 18 year old, all the way to posting 64 ponts.

The guy with the highest totals is currently on the trade block 5 years after being drafted.

The guy Kakko draws the most comparisons to had similar production, but didn't really take off until third season, or really enter into the conversation as being a top player until his fifth season.

The oldest guy on the list saw a huge jump from 22 to 67.

So the pathways forward are all over the place.
 
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