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Pre-Game Talk: Training Camp '13 (Starts Sunday 1/13)

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shinchanyo said:
Yea speculating on lines is fun but also about as innacurate as it gets because coaches always tweak for a shift here or there. SOmeone fights, someone sucks, someone looks great. It's about consistency though and if Nash, Gab and Cally are all RW one will have to consistently be shorted ES compared to others.

It may work though if all three lines are viable and they certainly have a shot to be. I don't believe in the theory that any particular line combo is bad. For a time a line of Shelley-Anisimov-Prust played like our number 1 line and got rewarded time appropriately. Line juggling Jonno won't dissappoint
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I remember that. Like something outta The Twilight Zone, but true it was...
 
Jim Morrison said:
So, will we find out today when the real training camp starts?
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they are saying physicals Sunday then players take the ice in the afternoon. Really they are training now anyways but coaches can officially be on the ice with them

I am sure Torts was running the practice from upstairs anyway this week
 
Antithesis said:
Dvorak in a Ranger's uniform? Blast from the past that would be.
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im thinking Dvorak makes sense for a cheap spare that can play some 3rd/4th line and PK, blast from the past for sure. Winchester also makes some sense......key is they come cheap.

Fehr is resigning wiht WSH for 600 K according to Trades board.........Hecht back w Buffalo and Franson back with TO......of course they are not official but may as well be. Just a waiting game now
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Maybe. If that's depth. Just seems like everyone always wants to sign endless amounts of Halperns, Rupps, Boyles and Pyatt's.
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That's not what Fehr is. The post you responded to said "can score, good third liner". Halpern? Rupp? We have basically two third liners on this team: Boyle and Pyatt. One of Hagelin, Kreider or Cally will end up playing on the third line because there's not enough room in the top six. But in the case of injuries or someone playing terribly or Kreider needing to be sent down, it would be nice to have another capable, legit third liner available to fill in, rather than moving Rupp or Asham up to the third line. As far as I'm concerned, Rupp, Halpern, Asham should never play more than fourth line minutes. So yes, adding a legit third liner on a cheap deal would be a very good move.
 
MPF24 said:
That's not what Fehr is. The post you responded to said "can score, good third liner". Halpern? Rupp? We have basically two third liners on this team: Boyle and Pyatt. One of Hagelin, Kreider or Cally will end up playing on the third line because there's not enough room in the top six. But in the case of injuries or someone playing terribly or Kreider needing to be sent down, it would be nice to have another capable, legit third liner available to fill in, rather than moving Rupp or Asham up to the third line. As far as I'm concerned, Rupp, Halpern, Asham should never play more than fourth line minutes. So yes, adding a legit third liner on a cheap deal would be a very good move.
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Is Halpern so much different than Pyatt? I should have mentioned I was thinking bottom-six altogether, which is usually how I see players like this. Halpern has scored 25-30 pts on average since the last lockout, similar to Pyatt. Rupp, maybe not.

Shouldn't we be better off attempting to fill that position from the ground up instead of signing journeymen?
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Is Halpern so much different than Pyatt? I should have mentioned I was thinking bottom-six altogether, which is usually how I see players like this. Halpern has scored 25-30 pts on average since the last lockout, similar to Pyatt. Rupp, maybe not.

Shouldn't we be better off attempting to fill that position from the ground up instead of signing journeymen?
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Halpern and Pyatt are extremely different. Halpern is a veteran center whose very good on draws and very defensively responsible, and has PKd a lot over the past few seasons. He's also getting up and age and is strictly a fourth line center at this point. Pyatt is a big, crashing winger who has really NEVER played on the fourth line, is not very defensively responsible and rarely PKs at all. He is good for forechecking, grinding down opponents and cycling in the opponents zone. We're not going to fill the position from within if no one is ready to fill it. No reason to rush somebody to the NHL just to give them bottom six minutes when they could benefit from top six minutes in the AHL. Plus, there's no benefit in having a rookie whose barely ready playing a role they're not really suited for, just to say we filled it from within. We're going after the cup this year; that means having the BEST roster possible, not promoting kids who aren't ready to roles they shouldn't have just for the sake of staying within the system.

Tawnos said:
I don't consider Boyle OR Pyatt to be true 3rd liners. We have one 3rd liner and its Hagelin.
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Well that's just seriously misguided. People expect way too much production from the average third liner. There's 30 teams in the league, thus 30 top-six players (roughly). 30x6=180. Go find out how many forwards in the NHL scored more than 30 points last season. Only 191 forwards.

30x3 for the third liners in the league is 90 guys. The range between 180 and 270 was: 32-17 points. The average third liner should be good for 17-35 points. Yes, bottom six guys scored more than 30, top six guys scored less than 30, the math isn't perfect, but the fact that barely the full top 180 broke 30 points suggests way too much is expected of third liners. Guess who was right in the middle of the 180-270 numbers. Brian Boyle. Taylor Pyatt. They are ideal third liners.
 
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