Rumor: Trades/Proposals: This Offseason can we transition from the "Wasted Years" to living in the Golden Y

[Del Preston]

He had that kind of impact twice. That mid-winter game against the Predators and a very early game against the St Louis Blues.

I remember that, despite his relative success offensively (mostly on the PP & with in the last two months of the season on the 2line with Eberle and RNH), because posters here were asking the question as to why he wasn't that more often.

And he's never really been that player again. For Edmonton or Calgary.

He was also great in 2017-18 from about the 8th game until Christmas. Then something happened during the break, and all his skill just vanished.

First 36 games: 26 points (9+17)
Next 126 games: 29 points (8+21)

 

[Anarchism]

@McPlayoffChokers
Wasn't it rumored or speculated Foligno was strictly a rental for the Leafs and he'd be re-signing with Columbus in free agency?

Schwartz though...that is a real possibility. He's from Saskatoon and as I posted in a couple threads back, his dad passed away unexpectedly in November. He may want to play closer to family, especially his mom.

It may not be that simple. First though i know little about his family situation I have seen alot of his play and he would work well for 1LW however in his last interview if you read between the lines just a little bit it sounds Armstrong may already have negotiated a new deal with him. Second Schwartz with his style of play is hurt a fair amount--count on 60 games per year? He is a risk health wise so its a factor in signing him.

 

[PKSpecialist]

It may not be that simple. First though i know little about his family situation I have seen alot of his play and he would work well for 1LW however in his last interview if you read between the lines just a little bit it sounds Armstrong may already have negotiated a new deal with him. Second Schwartz with his style of play is hurt a fair amount--count on 60 games per year? He is a risk health wise so its a factor in signing him.

Agreed on the health risk point, but that's the thing, he's a risk, especially on a longer term deal. Will anyone offer him a 5-6 year contract? A oft-injured player may be exactly what you need to find a long term bargain in free agency. He's the kind of risk I wouldn't mind seeing taken. I know some are saying 5 mil per, but I think around 4.5 with 4-5 years of term just might get it done.

On another note, I'd like to see Yamamoto on a Colton Sissons type deal, and I think Sissons would be an excellent trade target also.

 

[Klimando Kostani]

On the last thread, one of the post suggests it should be done post ED so that we don't have to use a protection spot for Keith.

Also was word they want to get Larsson done first.


But I also haven't read too many willing to say it's a done deal for Keith yet.

Some sources say it is far from done.

So thinking Holland is playing hard ball(ish).

 

[McShogun99]

Holland was talking about revamping the bottom six. I think the current locks unless they get claimed by Seattle are Archibald and Kassian, Benson probably makes the team on the third line, Khaira could be the 4th line LW or 13th forward.

I’m guessing Holland goes after 2 right shot centers. An offensive center for the third line and a defensive center for the 4th line with both being veterans. Going by old rumors those 2 centers could be Getlzlaf and Gledening.

 

[McDoused]

I don't see a deal happening.

I think the hawks are willing to accommodate a Keith trade as long as they dont take a bad contract back. They would also be willing to retain on Keith if they get better value back.

Having said that, I dont think it's a match. Edmonton doesnt want to give up assets or take on a bad contract without one moving one out.

 

[CanmoreMike]

Are you willing to wait for Skinner or Konalov or the rare chance that Cossa drops to us? We need a starting goalie more then anything. If we go after a free agent like Grubaeur it's going to cost us around 6 million. Ullmark or Driedger will probably cost around 4.5. We could also trade for a young, stud goalie but who lnows what the cost to acquire will be. We can't have McDrai waiting another 3+ years for our goalie of the future to develop.

If we are going after a free agent goalie that is going to cost us $6M+ that's going to come with term. I can guarantee you that in a very short amount of time we will come to regret that signing. Look at Florida - they have two goalies who are at least capable with a lot of upside. Meanwhile they are paying Bobrovsky $10M+ for another 5 years with a full NMC.

I have zero problem upgrading our goaltending this off-season. I have no problem overpaying on salary for a one year deal or trading for someone's headache like Fleury. But chances are when the Oilers compete for a Cup it'll be with a guy who they either drafted or developed or, preferably, both.

 

[Oilhawks]

I don't see a deal happening.

I think the hawks are willing to accommodate a Keith trade as long as they dont take a bad contract back. They would also be willing to retain on Keith if they get better value back.

Having said that, I dont think it's a match. Edmonton doesnt want to give up assets or take on a bad contract without one moving one out.

It’s really going to depend on how badly the Hawks want to help one of their franchise legends. They could tell him to f*** off and ask him to waive for Seattle and lose him for nothing, more likely Seattle only takes him with a small sweetener, so he could be stuck on the Hawks. If the Hawks really want Seth Jones and they think Caleb will help, now is their chance unless they want to work something out with Seattle after the expansion draft (possible).

I would say they should be more accommodating but with that recent abuse story, who knows how much they care about their players

 

[McDoused]

It’s really going to depend on how badly the Hawks want to help one of their franchise legends. They could tell him to f*** off and ask him to waive for Seattle and lose him for nothing, more likely Seattle only takes him with a small sweetener, so he could be stuck on the Hawks. If the Hawks really want Seth Jones and they think Caleb will help, now is their chance unless they want to work something out with Seattle after the expansion draft (possible).

I would say they should be more accommodating but with that recent abuse story, who knows how much they care about their players

I think it's less about caring about their players and making a deal that makes sense for them.

To them Keith is still their #1 defenceman. Taking on neal or koskinen to ride the pine makes no sense for them.

 

[McDoused]

If we are going after a free agent goalie that is going to cost us $6M+ that's going to come with term. I can guarantee you that in a very short amount of time we will come to regret that signing. Look at Florida - they have two goalies who are at least capable with a lot of upside. Meanwhile they are paying Bobrovsky $10M+ for another 5 years with a full NMC.

I have zero problem upgrading our goaltending this off-season. I have no problem overpaying on salary for a one year deal or trading for someone's headache like Fleury. But chances are when the Oilers compete for a Cup it'll be with a guy who they either drafted or developed or, preferably, both.

The only goaltender worth that much would be Grubauer. I think he would be well worth it. He has a career .920 save percentage on offensively minded teams. The fact hes german is a nice little bonus.

 

[McShogun99]

If we are going after a free agent goalie that is going to cost us $6M+ that's going to come with term. I can guarantee you that in a very short amount of time we will come to regret that signing. Look at Florida - they have two goalies who are at least capable with a lot of upside. Meanwhile they are paying Bobrovsky $10M+ for another 5 years with a full NMC.

I have zero problem upgrading our goaltending this off-season. I have no problem overpaying on salary for a one year deal or trading for someone's headache like Fleury. But chances are when the Oilers compete for a Cup it'll be with a guy who they either drafted or developed or, preferably, both.

Id prefer the development route as well but we’re 6 years into Mcdavids careeer and still don’t have a prospect goalie that’s close. We need a win now goalie for the next 3-4 years. We also need a stud goalie prospect that will be ready in 3-4 years. Hopefully Skinner or Konalov can be that player but the odds are low.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I don't see a deal happening.

I think the hawks are willing to accommodate a Keith trade as long as they dont take a bad contract back. They would also be willing to retain on Keith if they get better value back.

Having said that, I dont think it's a match. Edmonton doesnt want to give up assets or take on a bad contract without one moving one out.

Leavins said they are willing to take a contract back. I don't think anyone knows anything about this deal until it gets done. Everyone is all over the place

 

[Oilhawks]

I think it's less about caring about their players and making a deal that makes sense for them.

To them Keith is still their #1 defenceman. Taking on neal or koskinen to ride the pine makes no sense for them.

Not sure if he would do this but he could also threaten to retire if he needs to move that badly. That recapture would be killer.

Like @McYams17 said, Leavins suggested they would take a contract back, let’s see.

 

[CanmoreMike]

Id prefer the development route as well but we’re 6 years into Mcdavids careeer and still don’t have a prospect goalie that’s close. We need a win now goalie for the next 3-4 years. We also need a stud goalie prospect that will be ready in 3-4 years. Hopefully Skinner or Konalov can be that player but the odds are low.

I understand what you are saying. I'm saying I don't want to be tied down to a goalie that a) while good enough might not be good enough to put us over the hump and b) comes with an onerous term on his contract that might block younger goalies from ascending to that role.

Improve goaltending but don't tie up term. That's my point.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

In other words we won’t see any movement until after the ED (as per Odie).

 

[McDrai]

In other words we won’t see any movement until after the ED (as per Odie).

So I take it we're shedding salary then? Great news

 

[McDoused]

Leavins said they are willing to take a contract back. I don't think anyone knows anything about this deal until it gets done. Everyone is all over the place

I'm sure they are willing to take a contract back but a bad contract? I just dont think Chicago makes a trade unless it helps their team in some way. They dont have to move Keith if it means shooting themselves in the foot.

I think their is a lot of back and forth between the two teams which doesnt bode well.

For starters Edmonton probably wants to make the move after expansion so they can protect Larsson, while Chicago would like to do it before expansion so they dont have to expose him to Seattle and risk losing him for nothing.

So ask yourself, does Seattle take Keith at his full contract? could be an interesting tactic if Chicago asks for too much.

Seattle selects Duncan Keith from Chicago.

Seattle sends Keith to Edmonton (with 50% retained) to for Edmontons 1st rounder, Mikko Koskinen and James Neal.

Seattle gets their 1st round pick to take on bad contracts.

Edmonton clears out 3.5M in dead cap space basically getting Keith at 2.77M for free.

 

[ujju2]

This is what Lucic brought many games that first season here.

No it's not. And you know how I know he didn't bring that night-in, night-out? It's because I still clearly remember that entire game, as by far the best game Lucic ever played for us.

 

[Oilhawks]

In other words we won’t see any movement until after the ED (as per Odie).

More importantly, I wonder what Nermal thinks?

 

[ujju2]

What happened to all the leadership Lucic or ference was supposed to bring

Bs narrative

I will continue to defend Ference, he gets far too much hate. But I guess the difference is that there wasn't a particular player for either Lucic or Ference to mentor, in the way that Keith would be a perfect mentor for Bouchard.

 

[McDNicks17]

In other words we won’t see any movement until after the ED (as per Odie).

We're giving Lucic another chance beside McDavid.

 

[Soul8]

Leavins said they are willing to take a contract back. I don't think anyone knows anything about this deal until it gets done. Everyone is all over the place

How connected is Leavins really? Has he called anything in the past?

 

[Heavy Dee]

In other words we won’t see any movement until after the ED (as per Odie).

She is due, isn't she? Lol

 

[Oilhawks]

She is due, isn't she? Lol

Oh I want to say it but I also like not being infracted

Ah hell, why not?

It may look like she’s due but she’s actually just very gifted

 

[Ritchie Valens]

To play Devil's advocate...didn't Treena's Oil say to expect an announcement then the Hopkins news came out a few days later?