Rumor: Trades/Proposals: This Offseason can we transition from the "Wasted Years" to living in the Golden Y

[Hemsky4pm2]

The retention thing is the issue. It sounds to me like the Oilers are going to trade Jones a prospect and a contract (Stauffer didn't say this, but I think the Oilers should insist on SOMETHING being done by the Hawks for cap relief) for Keith with something retained.

I suspect the Oilers think Keith is a $4M D-man still (reading between the lines of Stauffer's 2nd pairing comments) - and would assign Klefbom's salary $ to that slot for the next two years. That would mean about 1.5M needing to be retained by Chicago. Giving the Hawks Jones + seems overly generous to me and at a certain point you have to say "no thanks". This is why I would want the Hawks to eat more salary or - at bear minimum, take back Turris who will cost the Oilers about $500K in cap space this coming year.

I think a request for Chicago to retain 50% (or find an intermediary to take on a portion of the cap hit) is totally fair and reasonable from Edmonton. Has anyone confirmed yet if Keith actually wants to go to Seattle? The context matters - media reports were "with a Pacific Northwest or Western Canadian team" - that context changes when the teams are actually known. If it's between Edmonton and Seattle, Keith could just say - "Edmonton then".

 

[Oilception]

If Keith is going to be ~4 mil cap and cost Jones and a prospect.

why not just sign a guy like Oleksiak and not have to give Jones and a prospect?

Are intangibles really worth that much?

 

[Oilhawks]

If Keith is going to be ~4 mil cap and cost Jones and a prospect.

why not just sign a guy like Oleksiak and not have to give Jones and a prospect?

Are intangibles really worth that much?

The word on the street is that Oleksiak has a handshake deal to re-sign with Dallas after the expansion

 

[McAsuno]

If Keith is going to be ~4 mil cap and cost Jones and a prospect.

why not just sign a guy like Oleksiak and not have to give Jones and a prospect?

Are intangibles really worth that much?

Exactly. Why the f*** should the Oilers be the team to sweeten the deal to favor the blackhawks? If anything, Holland has the upper hand in this trade. f*** off, Stan Bowman.

 

[Faelko]

I am too, but there has to be significant retention. I'd do jones and a bullshit pick for Keith at 2.75. But I just have the feeling that the Oilers are going to take him at full cost.

I just don’t think they can afford Keith at full cost if they want to plug the holes they have.

Maybe it would be better if S. Jones got moved elsewhere and that dream died for the Hawks so they’d be more willing to take on salary? I get the sense Holland isn’t blinking and the ball is in Chicago’s court.

 

[Little Fury]

The word on the street is that Oleksiak has a handshake deal to re-sign with Dallas after the expansion

Then get Murray, Edler, hell, even bring back Kulikov.

 

[soothsayer]

Stauffer has John Shannon on right now and it's hard to listen to. Two galaxy brains talking silly talk.

 

[McShogun99]

This is the off-season in which we can truly judge Holland’s work. If his big acquisition is getting ripped off on a Duncan Kieth deal then he’s failed us as a GM.

I would rather go into next season with Nurse-Russell-Lagesson as our LD then having Kieth for 2 Years at a full cap hit.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Bowman probably still holds past grudges with Holland when he was the Wings GM as Detroit and Chicago have been rivals forever. Looking at Holland's trade history, he only made one trade with Bowman and that was Tomas Jurco for a 3rd.

I'd love to get Keith but not at full cap hit. Chicago has to take or retain. If Bowman is too much of a stubborn businessman to do this, then he can explain to one of the best players to ever play for the Blackhawks why he couldn't get the deal done.

Interestingly enough, Bowman has also only made trades with the Oilers twice under his tenure.

 

[Del Preston]

Bowman probably still holds past grudges with Holland when he was the Wings GM as Detroit and Chicago have been rivals forever. Looking at Holland's trade history, he only made one trade with Bowman and that was Tomas Jurco for a 3rd.

I'd love to get Keith but not at full cap hit. Chicago has to take or retain. If Bowman is too much of a stubborn businessman to do this, then he can explain to one of the best players to ever play for the Blackhawks why he couldn't get the deal done.

Interestingly enough, Bowman has also only made trades with the Oilers twice under his tenure.

Colin Fraser was one. I'm blanking on the other.

 

[K1984]

Colin Fraser was one. I'm blanking on the other.

Manning.

 

[MessierII]

Colin Fraser was one. I'm blanking on the other.

Manning for Drizzy

 

[McJadeddog]

Friedman and Marek both said on last Friday’s podcast the same thing essentially, that Edmonton is the likely destination, “but it’s not done until it’s done”.

IMO it’s a who bends first now by the sounds of it

Well the nice thing is that we have lots of options for our 3rd pairing next year, and most of them will be cheaper (and possibly better) than Keith will, even at 50% retained. Whereas Chicago needs to dump Keith and his massive contract. All the pressure is on Chicago and none of it is on Edmonton at all.

 

[McAsuno]

Stauffer pandering of Caleb Jones AND a pick for Keith is absolutely brainless. The blackhawks clearly want Seth Jones and probably think Caleb would be enticing to convince his brother to sign there along with getting rid of some of Keith's gross contract. So if that's the case, you'd think Stauffer would have enough common sense to realize Ken Holland has the upper hand in this. No way in hell should the Oilers give Jones AND a pick for a declining 38 year old Duncan Keith. If anything, I'd rather keep Kulikov if that's the case

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Colin Fraser was one. I'm blanking on the other.

The Mandog

But I'd scrub that from memory too if I could.

 

[soothsayer]

Bob Stauffer just said Chicago doesn't want to retain any money.

 

[McJadeddog]

This is the off-season in which we can truly judge Holland’s work. If his big acquisition is getting ripped off on a Duncan Kieth deal then he’s failed us as a GM.

I would rather go into next season with Nurse-Russell-Lagesson as our LD then having Kieth for 2 Years at a 50% cap hit.

Fixed it for you. Laggy is likely about as good as Keith is at this point, and will cost $1.7 M less than Keith, even at 50% retained by Chicago. That $1.7 M can help us sign some scoring depth or a new starting goalie. Even at 50% retained, Keith isn't worth his contract.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Bob Stauffer just said Chicago doesn't want to retain any money.

Bowman is a clown.

 

[McJadeddog]

Bob Stauffer just said Chicago doesn't want to retain any money.

hahah, well then keep your albatross of a player, happy to not have him

 

[McAsuno]

Bob Stauffer just said Chicago doesn't want to retain any money.

Then f*** off, Bowman. Holland isn't Chiarelli. RIP to your Seth Jones to CHI if you refuse to retain money on a 38 year old declining dman.

 

[Del Preston]

Manning.

Manning for Drizzy

The Mandog

But I'd scrub that from memory too if I could.

Oh yeah.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Bob Stauffer just said Chicago doesn't want to retain any money.

Lol. If Holland does that the team is done.

I like Keith. I think there's a bit of a fit as a role model.

There should be no deal if the Oilers can't free up cap space in the process. Just go get so.eone younger and cheaper.

 

[joestevens29]

Bob Stauffer just said Chicago doesn't want to retain any money.

Well they don't really want to trade him either by the sounds of it.

Why would they retain anything to be honest? If Keith wants out that bad then terminate the contract and go their separate ways. But I'm getting the impression now that CHI is trying to get something of value out of this deal now that there are multiple teams interested.

 

[Del Preston]

Stan Bowman has cap problems every year because of stupid contracts he hands out or trades for. Must be a stressful job.

 

[McAsuno]

Stan Bowman has cap problems every year because of stupid contracts he hands out. Must be a stressful job.

Probably cries in his sleep hoping Peter Chiarelli was still the GM of the Oilers.