Trades & Free Agency Thread: Off-season Edition

[SprDaVE]

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Great news. He's been really damn good.

 

[Skullz]

It's pretty obvious that he's not.

If Florida loses Barkov and Tkachuk, they lose. Heck, if they just lose Bobrovsky, they lose.

Is it? The playoffs would disagree with you there. The superior skating ability and shot threat enable 88 to thrive in the post-season even as it gets tighter.

Marner not so much, say what you will, and I've heard all the arguments before, the speed and structure of the playoffs do not lend themselves well to his game. He is still an outstanding player, but to proclaim him as obviously better than Nylander is something I take umbridge with.

When the games have mattered the most, it has consistently been Willy who has played well; be it statwise or eye-test wise.

 

[ACC1224]

Is it? The playoffs would disagree with you there. The superior skating ability and shot threat enable 88 to thrive in the post-season even as it gets tighter.

Marner not so much, say what you will, and I've heard all the arguments before, the speed and structure of the playoffs do not lend themselves well to his game. He is still an outstanding player, but to proclaim him as obviously better than Nylander is something I take umbridge with.

When the games have mattered the most, it has consistently been Willy who has played well; be it statwise or eye-test wise.

Playoffs
43 points in 51 Games, +1
50 points in 57 Games, +10

Regular Season
528 points in 603 Games, +24
639 points in 576 games, +110

Both can be better in the playoffs.

 

[stickty111]

Is it? The playoffs would disagree with you there. The superior skating ability and shot threat enable 88 to thrive in the post-season even as it gets tighter.

Marner not so much, say what you will, and I've heard all the arguments before, the speed and structure of the playoffs do not lend themselves well to his game. He is still an outstanding player, but to proclaim him as obviously better than Nylander is something I take umbridge with.

When the games have mattered the most, it has consistently been Willy who has played well; be it statwise or eye-test wise.

Mitch Marner Playoffs
Games 1-4:
39 points in 36 games= 1.08 PPG

Games 5-7:
9 points in 21 games= 0.43 PPG

William Nylander Playoffs
Games 1-4:
26 points in 33 games= 0.79 PPG

Games 5-7:
17 points in 21 games= 0.81 PPG

As the series goes along and the games get more important, Marner falls off heavily while Nylander remains consistent.
It really isn't close

 

[notDatsyuk]

It really was just Marner, they wouldn’t have moved JT. I think it’s irrelevant. They chose to keep Marner. Marner also didn’t say he wouldn’t waive.

You originally said "players' so I went with that, but I agree they likely wouldn't move JT even if it was possible.

According to everything I've heard, Marner's agent very clearly said he wouldn't waive, so they didn't have a choice.

We'll have a better idea of their intent for both after this season.

 

[hamzarocks]

We have a 2nd round pick this year

I hope we can use that + Niemela at the deadline to add a strong 3C or top 4D who has 2 playoff runs left.

Jack McBain or Nick Bjugstad could be options at the deadline for the 3C role

Top4D could be a Connor Murphy or Will Borgen if they are made available

 

[Dekes For Days]

Is it? The playoffs would disagree with you there. The superior skating ability and shot threat enable 88 to thrive in the post-season even as it gets tighter. Marner not so much, say what you will, and I've heard all the arguments before, the speed and structure of the playoffs do not lend themselves well to his game. He is still an outstanding player, but to proclaim him as obviously better than Nylander is something I take umbridge with. When the games have mattered the most, it has consistently been Willy who has played well; be it statwise or eye-test wise.

Yes, it is obvious. Marner has been the better player in both the regular season and playoffs; both statwise and eye-test wise.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I've always been a stack one PP guy, give your best players the full 2 minutes.

Part of the issue is that we stack the top unit, but still don't play it the full 2 minutes. You either have to stack both players and time, or split both players and time.