Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[keonsbitterness]

I still don't understand the thinking behind this trade. It made no sense on any level.

The problem with Marchment is that his playoff numbers fall through a sinkhole (14 pts in 41 games). We've already got enough of that.

 

[Fogelhund]

It will be interesting if Seth Jones does get traded to a contender and to see how well he plays because he's a pretty polarizing player.

This was a post from a Hawks fan.

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Jones is incredibly athletic, can munch a ton of minutes, and has good offensive instincts. However, he is inconsistent in effort, and has never been very good defensively. Much like Rielly, he needs a good partner to play with. The big issue has always been his cap hit. He's not a $9.5 mil cap hit D man. If he's paid $7.5 like Rielly, you are probably pretty happy with him.

 

[SprDaVE]

It's always about both. "advanced stats" are just taking fairly simple numbers and crunching them into what makes a player so good/bad in a simpler way. There are different models and there are different parts that are analyzed. It's not perfect and isn't about predicting the future. It's a big part of the analyzing the game and just not using that to your advantage is just plain ignorance. There's a reason teams employ scouts and analysts. I do agree though that some people just use those charts to make final concluding decisions on everything when it's a lot more than that.

The eye test has plenty of bias attached to them as well.

 

[Fogelhund]

Would you guys be open to moving Matthews if Jones is available?

Assuming Bedard would be down for a change as well....we take the chance, get two solid Defense if he doesn't workout.....they get possibly the best goal scorer if he can stay healthy and will surpass the number one American in points plus a pick, seems like fair value for both teams

Bedard
Murphy(50% retained)
Jones

For

Matthews
1st round pick
Defense prospect or low pick

This move gives us options for next year, our roster could look like this if we made a few trades in the off-season & still have solid players in the system to build around Bedard

Niemela
Minten
Holmberg
Cowan
Hirvonen

Marchand-Bedard-Marner
Nylander-Tavares-Rantanen
Robertson-Bennett-Boeser
Knies-Domi-Tanev
Kane-Steeves

Rielly-Jones
McCabe-Tanev
Ekmam-Larsson-Murphy
Benoit-Hakanpaa

Stolarz
Woll

The main problem here, is that this is completely detached from the reality that there is a salary cap.

It's always about both though. "advanced stats" are just taking fairly simple numbers and crunching them into what makes a player so good/bad in a simpler way. There are different models and there are different parts that are analyzed. It's not perfect and isn't about predicting the future. It's a big part of the analyzing the game and just not using that to your advantage is just plain ignorance. There's a reason teams employ scouts and analysts. I do agree though that some people just use those charts to make final concluding decisions on everything when it's a lot more than that.

The eye test has plenty of bias attached to them as well.

You've got to use both. One to confirm the other, in both directions.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Say McAvoy is out for the season and Bruins start to stink it up. If they become sellers, would you go for Zacha? I think he's the perfect 3c that can jump to 2c on occasion. Signed until 2027 and only has a caphit of 4.5 million. This will be a huge bargain in the next few years. He is a 20 goal, 50-point player these days (59 points last year). He would fit well under the Tavares/Matthews/Nylander timeline. He's only 27 too.

Not sure if Boston would trade him, but maybe they'd consider it for Minten+ if they're rebuilding.

 

[ULF_55]

It's always about both though. "advanced stats" are just taking fairly simple numbers and crunching them into what makes a player so good/bad in a simpler way. There are different models and there are different parts that are analyzed. It's not perfect and isn't about predicting the future. It's a big part of the analyzing the game and just not using that to your advantage is just plain ignorance. There's a reason teams employ scouts and analysts. I do agree though that some people just use those charts to make final concluding decisions on everything when it's a lot more than that.

The eye test has plenty of bias attached to them as well.

Time.

The eye test requires watching a player for 15-20 minutes for multiple games.
Anyone can look at a chart in seconds.

Data collection is time consuming the question is whether shortcuts are taken in that collection. An overhead camera that covers the entire ice surface, not player/puck focused would take hours per game to be complete. Player/puck focused camera would miss things like player positioning, cutting off options, soft coverage, anticipation activity, camouflage, whatever else is not puck focused.

Yeah, both should be used, as I doubt anyone here has either the time nor the resources to adequately scout the NHL.

We can all scout the puck, not so much the player.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

There are very few untouchables in the league, and the names are like Makar, McDavid, MacKinnon, ...

The only unknown is cost.

that's laughable. There's team that would never trade Certain Players. A Team like wild wouldn't trade Kaprizov, Brock Faber, Jonas Brodin, etc.. A Team like Buffalo wouldn't trade True Thompson. The only reason Colorado made the trade is they didn't want to pay him

 

[Fogelhund]

Say McAvoy is out for the season and Bruins start to stink it up. If they become sellers, would you go for Zacha? I think he's the perfect 3c that can jump to 2c on occasion. Signed until 2027 and only has a caphit of 4.5 million. This will be a huge bargain in the next few years. He is a 20 goal, 50-point player these days (59 points last year). He would fit well under the Tavares/Matthews/Nylander timeline. He's only 27 too.

Not sure if Boston would trade him, but maybe they'd consider it for Minten+ if they're rebuilding.

As always, it depends on the cost. The thing is, he's put up 57 and 59 points, primarily playing with a guy who has put up 113 and 110 points. Away from Pastranak and down to 14 minutes a game, and you are likely to get a guy who puts up less than 0.5PPG... probably high thirties in points. Is that a huge bargain? I mean, half of us are mad at Domi, for producing around the same, for less money. Also keep in mind, he's put up 12 points, in 25 games... playing with Pastranak in the playoffs.

 

[nuck]

Say McAvoy is out for the season and Bruins start to stink it up. If they become sellers, would you go for Zacha? I think he's the perfect 3c that can jump to 2c on occasion. Signed until 2027 and only has a caphit of 4.5 million. This will be a huge bargain in the next few years. He is a 20 goal, 50-point player these days (59 points last year). He would fit well under the Tavares/Matthews/Nylander timeline. He's only 27 too.

Not sure if Boston would trade him, but maybe they'd consider it for Minten+ if they're rebuilding.

I think that would be part of the nuclear option for the Bs. I could see them starting with Marchand and Coyle. Their worst deals are the guys they just signed and those probably aren't tradeable yet. It will be a slow and painful retool but they have Pasta so I can't see them blowing it up.

 

[ULF_55]

that's laughable. There's team that would never trade Certain Players. A Team like wild wouldn't trade Kaprizov, Brock Faber, Jonas Brodin, etc.. A Team like Buffalo wouldn't trade True Thompson. The only reason Colorado made the trade is they didn't want to pay him

For the right price they would.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

As always, it depends on the cost. The thing is, he's put up 57 and 59 points, primarily playing with a guy who has put up 113 and 110 points. Away from Pastranak and down to 14 minutes a game, and you are likely to get a guy who puts up less than 0.5PPG... probably high thirties in points. Is that a huge bargain? I mean, half of us are mad at Domi, for producing around the same, for less money. Also keep in mind, he's put up 12 points, in 25 games... playing with Pastranak in the playoffs.

I hear you. He still seems like a good option for 3c though given his cost (with cap going up) and 0.5 production. That would be a typical good 3c. He has also scored 12 goals so far this year, which isn't bad at all. Of course, it would have to be the right price to get him.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

For the right price they would

Umm, No they wouldn't. Those player's are absolutely off limits. They aren't ever trading their franchise face. They aren't trading a Minnesota born player who they gave long term extension with NO move to. They Certainly wouldn't ever trade Brodin. lol dude, Your comments are funny

 

[ULF_55]

Umm, No they wouldn't. Those player's are absolutely off limits. They aren't ever trading their franchise face. They aren't trading a Minnesota born player who they gave long term extension with NO move to. They Certainly wouldn't ever trade Brodin. lol dude, Your comments are funny

So who is the Minnesota born player with a NMC that is better then every other player in the league?

So if they could get a better player they would reject the deal?

Again, I said very few Kaprizov might be on that list, but if you think they'd turn down an opportunity to improve the team because a player was locally born, they ain't trying to win.

 

[TMLAM34]

I’d have a decent amount of interest in Zacha. Definitely someone I can see playing well with Nylander.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Jarnkrok - Zacha - Nylander

 

[ULF_55]

I’d have a decent amount of interest in Zacha. Definitely someone I can see playing well with Nylander.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Jarnkrok - Zacha - Nylander

That would be nice, but I think they'll keep him.

Earlier in the season Marchand was very positive about the job Berube was doing with the Leafs.

Just sayin ...

 

[LeafSteel]

It's always about both. "advanced stats" are just taking fairly simple numbers and crunching them into what makes a player so good/bad in a simpler way. There are different models and there are different parts that are analyzed. It's not perfect and isn't about predicting the future. It's a big part of the analyzing the game and just not using that to your advantage is just plain ignorance. There's a reason teams employ scouts and analysts. I do agree though that some people just use those charts to make final concluding decisions on everything when it's a lot more than that.

The eye test has plenty of bias attached to them as well.

Is this post referencing my post around the eye test vs analytics, that seems to have been deleted, for reasons that are unclear?

 

[arso40]

I’d have a decent amount of interest in Zacha. Definitely someone I can see playing well with Nylander.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Jarnkrok - Zacha - Nylander

Keep McMann with nylander

 

[Malachi Crunch]

 

[ULF_55]

Flames probably don't care either way.

They have a tonne of Cap Space, and if he's picked up ... whatever.

 

[LeafSteel]

Great news Kyle! Now’s your chance.

Simply waive your best trade asset to make cap/roster space for this awesome RHD!

 

[Maple Leaf]

Umm, No they wouldn't. Those player's are absolutely off limits. They aren't ever trading their franchise face. They aren't trading a Minnesota born player who they gave long term extension with NO move to. They Certainly wouldn't ever trade Brodin. lol dude, Your comments are funny

you sure

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Tyson Barrie,,,soft

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[hullsy47]

Still waiting for jonas seigal to enlighten us on just where the leafs will get the assets or the cap space to make this big splash he keeps chirping about
Some of these so called sources are just grasping at air
Jarrod mcann isnt a blockbuster

 

[BurnTheBoats]

Matthews
1st round pick
Prospect or late pick

For

Bedard
Jones
Murphy(50% retained)2.2M


Jarnkrok
Dewar
2nd round pick

For

Tanev(50% retained)1.750M
Eberle(50% retained)2.375M


Kampf
3rd round pick

For

Palmieri(50% retained)2.5M


1st round pick
Prospect

For

Marchand(50% retained)3M

Send down
Reaves
Steeves
Myers

Lines:
Marchand-Bedard-Marner
Nylander-Tavares-Palmieri
Knies-Domi-Eberle
Pacioretty-McMann-Tanev
Robertson-Lorentz-Holmberg

Rielly-Jones
McCabe-Tanev
Ekmam-Larsson-Murphy
Benoit-Timmins

Stolarz
Woll

How does our team improve, look at it like this, Knies & Domi move down to there respectful minutes and in roles that will benefit the team come playoffs....less stress = more production

Matthews = Marchand
Kampf = Bedard
Jarnkrok = Eberle
Dewar = Palmieri

Plus we add without losing
Jones
Murphy
Tanev