Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[stats1]

Go to St.Louis and get Schenn and Parayko and in the summer send Reilly to wherever he'll accept

Well it’s far too late in the year to do that, most times when you’re trying to get someone to waive a NMC it takes months. You gotta massage the message, work with the player on where he would go. It takes a lot of time. It took Vancouver like 2 months to finally trade Miller.. to move Rielly it would happen in the summer. He’d decline every trade proposal right now

Edit, you mentioned in the summer lol

 

[Stephen]

I’ve been battling the Parayko ignorance thing for years now. The guy took on a purely defensive role when Pietrangelo left for Vegas. His offense didn’t get worse, he just stopped getting PP time.

Carlo actually does have offensive deficiencies.

But you have to consider that St. Louis needed Parayko to take the next step into their do it all Pietrangelo replacement. But they transitioned to Faulk, Krug offensively. So it’s not a big endorsement of his offensive capabilities.

 

[Dreakmur]

But you have to consider that St. Louis needed Parayko to take the next step into their do it all Pietrangelo replacement. But they transitioned to Faulk, Krug offensively. So it’s not a big endorsement of his offensive capabilities.

You make lineup decisions based on your roster. When you have guys like Kruger and Faulk, they can really only contribute on offense. It makes sense to give them the offensive time… unless you think Parayko should play 30 minutes….

 

[Stephen]

You make lineup decisions based on your roster. When you have guys like Kruger and Faulk, they can really only contribute on offense. It makes sense to give them the offensive time… unless you think Parayko should play 30 minutes….

If Parakyo was headed in that Hedman trajectory in his development he wouldn’t have been sidelined in an offensive role and the Blues wouldn’t have had to bring in Krug etc.

 

[LeafSteel]

How do we get better when we have Robertson, Kampf, Minten, Niemela, Cowan, Steeves, Abruzzese, Timmins and a few draft picks to offer other teams for their young, cost controlled good players?

Who is the best player that you think Cowan, Robertson and a 2026 1st gets us?

So you jettison for players that aren’t young, cost controlled, good players, and leave us with nothing?

Textbook making a trade for the sake of making a trade, and not setting us up for success now or in the future?

If you can’t get what you need with those players, then you keep those players and make the best possible situation for yourself.

 

[thusk]

A trade to a better offensive team could have the Karlsson effect instead though. Other than Barzal, no one on the Isles is a good puck carrier, if a greasy pinball goal is scored by anyone else there’s a good chance Dobson got a touch on the transition same as how Karlsson put up 100. I don’t think that’s a bad thing necessarily, if he puts up the same points but they’re more skewed to PP bombs and carrying the puck for our 3rd liners that’s a win, I just wouldn’t trade for and pay him with the expectation that playing with stars means he’s suddenly a 80-90 point guy.

Karlsson always be a poison in a locker room or in any systrm. Karlsson playing the Karlsson way and you need to live with this. So i don't like any comparaison with him.

But i'm agree you can't trade for Dobson with expectation of a 80-90 pts dman but clearly having expectation for an all around D of 40-70 pts / year who can log an average 24-25 min. Dobson would maybe be the best leafs defender last 20-30 years?

For me if Leafs have a real shot for Dobson, it's not even a question mark. The biggest question is leafs can they really get Dobson

 

[Dreakmur]

If Parakyo was headed in that Hedman trajectory in his development he wouldn’t have been sidelined in an offensive role and the Blues wouldn’t have had to bring in Krug etc.

Who said anything about him being Hedman?

He’s an elite defender with enough puck moving ability to play on a top pairing.

 

[MarMarSab3]

1-Leafs don't have cap space for this

2- Leafs don't have asset for both except including a key member of line up

3- Rielly would unlikely waive his NMV

They do if there's double retention, send Domi, Timmins and Kampf the other way, get creative

 

[Skullz]

This might be really unpopular, and I freely acknowledge that it has big boom or bust potential, but in watch the 4-Nations tournament I’ve been really impressed with Karlsson. He’s still terrific offensively—moves the puck and sees the ice really well.

If Pitt retains 50%, cuz SJS are already retaining 13%, we could get him for 5 million for two seasons after this. I know he’s old and that it is a risk, but it gives a truly dynamic threat from the backend, and would really transfigure the look of our team. Would love to see him on PP1 as well.

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Myers
OEL - Karlsson

One shutdown pairing. One decent pairing. One pairing that playing down in the lineup should be able to absolutely dominate lesser matchups.

Thoughts?

 

[thusk]

They do if there's double retention, send Domi, Timmins and Kampf the other way, get creative

Stl will not retain on a Parayko deal and nobody would for 5 and half contract

Even on Schenn, if Stl retained 1,5M-2M for 3 1/2, it would be huge and nobody else would retain.

This might be really unpopular, and I freely acknowledge that it has big boom or bust potential, but in watch the 4-Nations tournament I’ve been really impressed with Karlsson. He’s still terrific offensively—moves the puck and sees the ice really well.

If Pitt retains 50%, cuz SJS are already retaining 13%, we could get him for 5 million for two seasons after this. I know he’s old and that it is a risk, but it gives a truly dynamic threat from the backend, and would really transfigure the look of our team. Would love to see him on PP1 as well.

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Myers
OEL - Karlsson

One shutdown pairing. One decent pairing. One pairing that playing down in the lineup should be able to absolutely dominate lesser matchups.

Thoughts?

Karlsson play the Karlsson way and no other way and a poison in a locker room, its an huge gamble to destroy your own locker room and destroyes yourself

 

[ULF_55]

Karlsson play the Karlsson way and no other way and a poison in a locker room, its an huge gamble to destroy your own locker room and destroyes yourself

Maybe he's the antidote for the poison already in the room?

 

[MarMarSab3]

Stl will not retain on a Parayko deal and nobody would for 5 and half contract

Even on Schenn, if Stl retained 1,5M-2M for 3 1/2, it would be huge and nobody else would retain.

They don't have to retain on Parayko, Schenn would need double retention St Louis Retains 50% = 3,250,000, Team B Retains 50% = 1,625,000

So you get Schenn at 1,625,000 and Parayko at 6.5, you Trade Domi, Kampf and Timmins and Voila

 

[stats1]

Really gets weird in here when you constantly hear “we don’t have the cap space” and yet we see teams making trades that involves roster players all the time. The Leafs have the cap space they just have to include a guy like Domi or Jarnkrok. Trades don’t and shouldn’t just revolve around drafts picks, prospects and retention. Sometimes a GM has to get creative and include a roster player to make it work. It’s up to Treliving to do his job, manage the cap or start including some money in trades

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Kiwi]

Really gets weird in here when you constantly hear “we don’t have the cap space” and yet we see teams making trades that involves roster players all the time. The Leafs have the cap space they just have to include a guy like Domi or Jarnkrok. Trades don’t and shouldn’t just revolve around drafts picks, prospects and retention. Sometimes a GM has to get creative and include a roster player to make it work. It’s up to Treliving to do his job, manage the cap or start including some money in trades

That was more of a Dubas move, Tre is very traditional and he hasn't shown the ability to think outside the box as of yet

 

[Burnie97]

Really gets weird in here when you constantly hear “we don’t have the cap space” and yet we see teams making trades that involves roster players all the time. The Leafs have the cap space they just have to include a guy like Domi or Jarnkrok. Trades don’t and shouldn’t just revolve around drafts picks, prospects and retention. Sometimes a GM has to get creative and include a roster player to make it work. It’s up to Treliving to do his job, manage the cap or start including some money in trades

Exactly. Make an actual hockey trade.. who's the last GM to make trades like that?! Cliff fletcher... get creative for f*** sakes.

He's not even close to pushing JT out of the 2 spot if that's why they're looking to do. Dear lord. Cmon now.

 

[thusk]

They don't have to retain on Parayko, Schenn would need double retention St Louis Retains 50% = 3,250,000, Team B Retains 50% = 1,625,000

So you get Schenn at 1,625,000 and Parayko at 6.5, you Trade Domi, Kampf and Timmins and Voila

Schenn price at 50% would probably start with cowan or minten and a 1st

to convince a 3rd team retain at 50% for 3 year and half year would certainly cost a 2nd round and maybe as high of 1st or a guy like Minten/ cowan because im not sure how much team would be fine to retain dead money for 3 other years.

We are not in NHL on playstation, everythibg having a price...So already spent everything we had to trade for Schenn and didn't even pay for Parayko. I don't know how youbexpect paying a Parayko that way, would probably cost knies.

 

[ULF_55]

Really gets weird in here when you constantly hear “we don’t have the cap space” and yet we see teams making trades that involves roster players all the time. The Leafs have the cap space they just have to include a guy like Domi or Jarnkrok. Trades don’t and shouldn’t just revolve around drafts picks, prospects and retention. Sometimes a GM has to get creative and include a roster player to make it work. It’s up to Treliving to do his job, manage the cap or start including some money in trades

Do you mean retaining?

So like retain 25% of Domi?

Just throwing this as an example:

Domi 25% retention

for

Faulk 40% retention

Leafs retain: ($3.75mm*3)* .25 = $2.8mm
Blues retain: ($6.5mm*2) * .4 = $5.2


Or just trading players will Cap Hit to balance the trade?

Domi and Kampf for Faulk.

 

[arso40]

Schenn price at 50% would probably start with cowan or minten and a 1st

to convince a 3rd team retain at 50% for 3 year and half year would certainly cost a 2nd round and maybe as high of 1st or a guy like Minten/ cowan because im not sure how much team would be fine to retain dead money for 3 other years.

We are not in NHL on playstation, everythibg having a price...So already spent everything we had to trade for Schenn and didn't even pay for Parayko. I don't know how youbexpect paying a Parayko that way, would probably cost knies.

Then made moves to get out of contracts and restocc the draft capital for next year then there’s zero point in wasting those kind of assets for guys that’ll be out of the league in a couple years no thanks we’re not that close to being a legit cup threat let’s not be fooled by the game breakers and elite talent it’s not the right mix of guys to be trading anyone of significance

 

[All Mod Cons]

So you jettison for players that aren’t young, cost controlled, good players, and leave us with nothing?

Textbook making a trade for the sake of making a trade, and not setting us up for success now or in the future?

If you can’t get what you need with those players, then you keep those players and make the best possible situation for yourself.

But it's way too late for that. Dubas saw to it, that that now isn't an option. It should've been our plan 5 or 6 years ago.

 

[ULF_55]

Succession Planning.

I would risk assets on someone like McTavish, or ...

 

[ULF_55]

• The Maple Leafs received Gilmour, Jamie Macoun, Ric Nattress, Kent Manderville, and Rick Wamsley.
  
  
• The Flames received Leeman, Craig Berube, Michel Petit, Alexander Godynyuk, and Jeff Reese.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Schenn price at 50% would probably start with cowan or minten and a 1st

to convince a 3rd team retain at 50% for 3 year and half year would certainly cost a 2nd round and maybe as high of 1st or a guy like Minten/ cowan because im not sure how much team would be fine to retain dead money for 3 other years.

We are not in NHL on playstation, everythibg having a price...So already spent everything we had to trade for Schenn and didn't even pay for Parayko. I don't know how youbexpect paying a Parayko that way, would probably cost knies.

Every competitive team has done this type of move or similar, it requires work and creativity, to say it can't be done is ignorant

 

[thusk]

Every competitive team has done this type of move or similar, it requires work and creativity, to say it can't be done is ignorant

When did you ever saw a team retain over 3M for 3 year and half?

I never say it can't be done but everything coming with a price

 

[MarMarSab3]

When did you ever saw a team retain over 3M for 3 year and half?

I never say it can't be done but everything coming with a price

I agree, to get the package I suggested Minten, Cowan and a 1st plus more I'm sure