Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[notDatsyuk]

Trade #1
David Kampf (2.4M per for 3 years) + Topi Niemela + Artur Akhtyamov + 2016 1st round pick (Top-5 Protection - Defers to 2027)

for

Scott Laughton - (3M per for 2 years) + Rasmus Ristolainen (50% Retained - 2.55M per for 3 years)

Trade #2
Nicholas Robertson (875K per for 1 year - RFA) + 2027 4th round pick

for

Peyton Krebs (1.45M per for 2 years - RFA)

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Domi/Laughton - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Domi/Laughton - Pacioretty
Lorentz - Krebs - Dewar
ex. Steeves - Reaves

Rielly - Ristolainen
McCabe - Tanev
Benoit - OEL
ex. Myers

Woll
Stolarz
ex. Murray

Timmins and Holmberg waived to the Marlies.

So basically a late first and assorted garbage for a 2/3C and a 1/2D. I like it.

 

[thusk]

1- No chance Edmonton moving Bouchard or even RNH for a 31 yo carreer back up goalie who had a good 17 game stretche. Just nobody will do it and i really liked what stolarz did but just stay realistic a moment

2- Leafs need Stolarz probably more than what he really could bring in a realistic return

 

[SprDaVE]

A proposed deal in this is Ryan O'Reilly for Robertson, Minten and a late pick. I don't see the Leafs trading Minten but I would probably do this if ROR has no issues coming back. He also doesn't have a NTC, so he doesn't much to say about it I guess.

2025 NHL trade deadline perfect fits: Proposals for Brock Nelson, Ryan O’Reilly and more

It's an unusual year for midseason trades in the NHL. Let's pick some ideal destinations for names still on the board.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Fogelhund]

1- No chance Edmonton moving Bouchard or even RNH for a 31 yo carreer back up goalie who had a good 17 game stretche. Just nobody will do it and i really liked what stolarz did but just stay realistic a moment

2- Leafs need Stolarz probably more than what he really could bring in a realistic return

Ignoring of course his excellent season in Florida... so it's not a good 17 game stretch, it's two seasons of excellent play.

Ask yourself the question, where is Edmonton going to find an improvement in goal? They are going to need to make a move.

 

[thusk]

Ignoring of course his excellent season in Florida... so it's not a good 17 game stretch, it's two seasons of excellent play.

Ask yourself the question, where is Edmonton going to find an improvement in goal? They are going to need to make a move.

As back up, being a back up wjo play 25 game and a starting goalie they're a world of difference. Stolarz value didn't raised by 10 because of his 17 gane start his season

 

[Fogelhund]

As back up, being a back up wjo play 25 game and a starting goalie they're a world of difference. Stolarz value didn't raised by 10 because of his 17 gane start his season

Again...-> Ask yourself the question, where is Edmonton going to find an improvement in goal? They are going to need to make a move.

So, who is better?

 

[Budz]

Stolarz
First
Danford
Timmins

For

Bouchard
3rd

I’m just talking out loud - not pounding table. It’s just an idea I wanted to look at and get more opinions.

Who says no here?

 

[All Mod Cons]

Holy moly, please don't post these Bouchard trade suggestions on the main boards.

 

[Fogelhund]

Holy moly, please don't post these Bouchard trade suggestions on the main boards.

They could be entertaining...

 

[Torontonian]

A proposed deal in this is Ryan O'Reilly for Robertson, Minten and a late pick. I don't see the Leafs trading Minten but I would probably do this if ROR has no issues coming back. He also doesn't have a NTC, so he doesn't much to say about it I guess.

2025 NHL trade deadline perfect fits: Proposals for Brock Nelson, Ryan O’Reilly and more

It's an unusual year for midseason trades in the NHL. Let's pick some ideal destinations for names still on the board.

www.nytimes.com

Swap Minten for Danforth and I would do the deal. I'm not opposed to trading Minten, but it in a time now where center is a premier position & he's probably a year away from being NHL ready, if you are going to trade him, it should probably be for a player that has 4-5 years left on his contract and not 2.

 

[thusk]

Again...-> Ask yourself the question, where is Edmonton going to find an improvement in goal? They are going to need to make a move.

So, who is better?

What's the difference with last year?!?! Skinner wasn't better last year in regular season but step up in playoff And they didn't lost in final because of Skinner

Are they most desesperate than last yeat to move up a top 2 D for an unproven goalie?

 

[Skullz]

Seth Jones at 50% retention? Admittedly I haven’t watched him in a while.

 

[ULF_55]

It's 100% an off-season move for me. I think they need to move one of Woll or Stolarz, fill up another position of need, promote Hildeby, and go from there.

If you intend to keep both long-term and Stolarz' extension is really good, then look at trading Hildeby I guess.

IMO:

Oilers don't need 3 NHL goaltenders and they do have 2.

Not saying they have 2 good ones, but I think one would be going the other way in a Stolarz trade.

My guess Pickard who is 32 and your typical back-up.

Skinner is 26, which is still young for a keeper.

Stolarz has never been a #1, and is 31 years old.

I don't think the return is what some people believe it would be.

They aren't trading a top pairing defender for a career back-up who is having a good stretch.

 

[SprDaVE]

IMO:

Oilers don't need 3 NHL goaltenders and they do have 2.

Not saying they have 2 good ones, but I think one would be going the other way in a Stolarz trade.

My guess Pickard who is 32 and your typical back-up.

Skinner is 26, which is still young for a keeper.

Stolarz has never been a #1, and is 31 years old.

I don't think the return is what some people believe it would be.

They aren't trading a top pairing defender for a career back-up who is having a good stretch.

He's been very good for awhile. He doesn't have a lot of games played and he's not young. I still think his value will be very high for his performance and low cap hit. I don't think it'll be a blockbuster return but I would expect a very good return regardless, which is subjective of course. I don't disagree with the last part, but a team desperate enough...

 

[thusk]

He's been very good for awhile. He doesn't have a lot of games played and he's not young. I still think his value will be very high for his performance and low cap hit. I don't think it'll be a blockbuster return but I would expect a very good return regardless, which is subjective of course. I don't disagree with the last part, but a team desperate enough...

a team enough desesperate... i don't see anyone... The only one who could had been really desesperate was Colorado but Blackwood doing a good job there since...

Like ibsaif Stolarz have more value to leafs than what they could gwt for...

If Woll get injured again and leafs have to start with Murray or Hildeby in playoff... They are in trouble pretty hard

 

[Americanadian]

If the Leafs move a goalie they’re better off looking at CBJ. I imagine either goalie would welcome the move because there’s minimal competition to be the starter there. CBJ also has a lot of intriguing young assets.

 

[Fogelhund]

What's the difference with last year?!?! Skinner wasn't better last year in regular season but step up in playoff And they didn't lost in final because of Skinner

Are they most desesperate than last yeat to move up a top 2 D for an unproven goalie?

Yes

 

[ULF_55]

He's been very good for awhile. He doesn't have a lot of games played and he's not young. I still think his value will be very high for his performance and low cap hit. I don't think it'll be a blockbuster return but I would expect a very good return regardless. I don't disagree with the last part, but a team desperate enough...

Now if you could get Rielly to go along ... they might include Nurse

 

[Rare Jewel]

I'd entertain any idea that makes us better. The issue is, nobody has one. Saying that I want to re-sign Marner is pretty clear, and that pathway doesn't require naming alternatives to replace his impact.

That's a matter of opinion, then.

But I think committing more money and time to this group, particularly if they don't do anything this spring, is silly, and I don't get the stubbornness to change. Especially after you still couldn't give me an example of a team winning with 3 or 4 forwards making this much.

don't care about Dubas either, beyond the good he did for this team, and I don't think he's perfect. In fact, that's kind of the whole point. You don't need to be perfect to find effective, efficient depth. We should be more than capable of doing that. That's what successful teams do. That's what we need; not more cap space to pile onto the tens of millions in extra cap space that we're already getting over the next few years. Especially not at the expense of one of the best players in the league.

I've already addressed how misleading Stephen's post was. Since 2020, Marner is one of only 5 players to pace for 100+ points every year. He's 6th in points, 5th in P/GP, 5th in 5v5 points, 4th in 5v5 P/60, 7th in PP P/60, while providing high end defense and PKing against the toughest matchups. He's earned more than you'll give him credit for, and his loss would be more impactful than you realize.

Well, you could've fooled me, it seems like you are and have been very interested in him.

Anyway, even if they sign Manrer, it doesn't sound like you have much confidence in Treliving to fill the roster out anyway.

So, perhaps they should be extra careful and not overpay Mitch. and you can say it's misleading, but I think most would say it paints a pretty good picture of where he stands offensively. Mostly because of underplaying what the others are doing.

And I'll keep going back to it; that level of performance is not replicated in the postseason, and this has not success with this core. Something has to give.

So Danford went from 1st round pick to worthless in 7 months? Yikes. Why are you even worried about trading 1st round picks then? Apparently they lose all value once we use them anyway.

Foligno and O'Rielly are actually the only two times that we've used a 1st round pick on a rental in the Matthews era, and I don't even think either were intended to be rentals. Foligno just got injured with us, and Treliving couldn't convince O'Rielly to stay.

If things were going as well as they were in those years, I'd be more open to using a 1st on a rental, but with how things have unfolded this year, I'd rather not. That said, we have to do something. We can't just sit on all of these issues and flush a year down the toilet when the East and division is finally so wide open.

Dubas had the job for 5 years. I don't know why you keep saying 6. He's also been gone for 2 years, and isn't the one causing these issues. Treliving is.

Yeah, it wasn't a good pick. And why am I worried? Because I want them to pick a better player with more upside than a guy who's likely a 3rd pair D if he even makes it.

O'Reilly didn't want to stay in a big market, so it's not really on Treliving is it?

But these recurring jabs at him, particularly in contrast to how you view Dubas, are interesting; why so quick to defend one and not the other?

He didnt. He paid what they had earned, consistent with league history. You just choose not to accept how good they were. There also wasn't any rising cap to benefit from. The only one to get bent over in a core negotiation is Treliving with Nylander. But even then, it's manageable with the rising cap.

We don't need to wait years. There are going to be significant increases every year, and we have an opportunity to take advantage. Matthews and Marner are also still only 27, for the record.

Again, more anti-Tre, pro-Dubas stuff, interesting for someone who "doesn't care."

But no, Dubas got played. To say otherwise is certainly a choice. He lost on basically every main front. Term, AAV and signing bonuses

Most of this is due to the Tavares signing. However, Matthews' AAv relative to his term and Manrer's AAV were not good. Then, when you add that these guys got mostly paid in lumpsum signing bonuses as their "salary" to get around certain tax implications, the fact those deals weren't better is disappointing. His mishandling of Nylander was waiting until December to sign him, which basically made that season a write-off because he never caught up.

Also, being dictated to by Manrer's agent by saying, "Mitch goes last," is another issue.

Perhaps you can put it down to him being a rookie GM, but his handling of those was not optimal; but I'm sure you'll say differently.

Then, I'll bring up what Mackinnon and Barkov made on their 2nd contracts...

I don't care if you think they haven't done anything in the past. I care about what gives us the best chance at a cup moving forward.

Based on?

You're the one who's trying to use Colorado to make your point. I'm sure Necas will get some of the point inflation that Rantanen benefited from, but it's currently a downgrade for their team.

Yes, because the moment Mackinnon jumped to $13.6m, they knew putting a team together would be difficult. And here the Leafs are trying to possibly have two $13m dollar players and Nylander @ 11.5. All while having nowhere near to success of that team.

Also, you can have a positional/player downgrade and still have a net team gain if you are smart about how you build said team. I suppose that the lack of acceptance is what this debate is about, but those ideas are not exclusive to each other, and it's something that the Leafs should give some thought to rather than persisting with NBA-style team construction if again they fail to do anything in the playoffs, even though really, that should've been done in '23.

36 games is 36 games. It being the playoffs only magnifies the issues with small samples. You underrate his overall impact, and overrate the impacts of others. Matthews and Marner do generally outperform their opposition

Yes, of course, it does. Because it is a shorter yet more important format of playing, that's how it works.

As for the "outplaying" of the opposition - it hasn't manifested in much success, has it? And again, 36 games in the playoffs is not a small sample size; I'm sorry.

They are paid for their overall games. I am disappointed with the team outcomes, and I am disappointed with many of the situations we have experienced, and when you lose by such tiny margins, there is obviously disappointment with everybody that they couldn't find that one more goal. But overall, Marner has been a strong playoff performer, and many of the struggles that our core have had are struggles that top players pretty universally have in the same situations. Blaming him is misguided, and purging him will just lead to more disappointment. They are our best chance at a cup.

Sure, but it's not nothing when you continually get beaten, even if it is by small margins. And irrespective of your or my feelings of the players or even their performance (which we differ on), the mental and emotional side of these players and as a group is something that has to come into question, which is also why I'm very hesitant just to lay down and pay Marner whatever he wants.

Is it slightly unfair to him? Maybe, but as his agent once said, "Mitch goes last," and as it stands the most flexibility at this time is with him.

99 points is different than 90 points, and yes, ignoring pace and the level he actually performs at is attempting to change the way NHL contracts work. No GM has ever operated that way.

Which player has been paid for the pace they scored at rather than the rough average of what they've put up in the past, particularly on a 3rd contract?

You're paying for what they've done, not what they hypothetically/almost did a few times.

 

[thusk]

Yes

What your hoping for and Holland mind pretty different... Tjey're absolutly nothing different and if an area Edmonton will try to upgrade is in D, not be even worst of on their top 3 D

 

[Sypher04]

So basically a late first and assorted garbage for a 2/3C and a 1/2D. I like it.

Not commenting on the proposed deal at all, but in no world is Ristolainen a top pairing defenseman

 

[SprDaVE]

a team enough desesperate... i don't see anyone... The only one who could had been really desesperate was Colorado but Blackwood doing a good job there since...

Like ibsaif Stolarz have more value to leafs than what they could gwt for...

If Woll get injured again and leafs have to start with Murray or Hildeby in playoff... They are in trouble pretty hard

I disagree a whole lot. Teams that need top goaltending for 2.5M will trip over each other to get them. Vegas in particular has no goaltenders signed next season. Chicago, Pittsburgh, Edmonton, Flames, Utah, Sharks, etc should have all interest in a goaltender that can either be the top guy or help their other goaltender like we did this season.

And this is mostly off-season talk. Hildeby will be 24 years old by next season. I'm not 100% sure of waiver status either. He's very good and for me he's more than good enough to be the back-up going into next season with Woll getting the bulk of starts. And you can get another journeyman goaltender to compete.

We can debate the value and fine details, it's all subjective, but for me they need to make a decision on their goaltending this off-season to strengthen the lineup. But knowing Treliving, they'll do nothing about it, let Stolarz probably walk and hope it works out.