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Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

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LeafChief said:
When he did that interview recently where he mentioned part of his rehab included drinking butter until he threw up and getting direct sunlight to his asshole, I needed this guy on the Leafs more than I've ever needed anything.

You can't quantify that level of lunacy. This guy is ready for a playoff run and I need it bad.
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Everyone needs direct sunlight on their turd-cutter. It's a glorious feeling.
 
Rare Jewel said:
No, that's how you're interpreting it.
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It is the only possible interpretation of what he said. He said "Ehlers and Boeser at 8ish each vs Marner at 13-14-15M? It's a change with the core and they're good players." He also said "Rantanen or Boeser+Ehlers would be interesting alternatives to Marner", and laid out the 2 for 1 comparison: "151 pts for 15-16M vs 90 pts for 12.5-13M?". When somebody called him out noting that "letting Marner walk for Ehlers and Boeser is a hilariously bad take.", he responded that "being opposed to that is actually a hilariously bad take". He said some of this directly to you, so I don't know why you're pretending otherwise right now.
Rare Jewel said:
Isn't this what they've been doing since 2019? It hasn't really worked, has it?
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It's what every successful team does. We had a guy that was a lot better at it, and he found a bunch of cheap and effective depth pieces to navigate us through a drained prospect pool, multi-year flat cap, and a high-end draft pick dying, and it worked really well, but we unfortunately let him go because of stupid nonsense, and then hired somebody who is pretty bad at it. But the new guy is getting saved by the old guy's prospects right now, and pretty soon he'll have a huge influx of cap space to held cover for his incompetence.
Rare Jewel said:
Part of the reason there are no players to re-sign is that they haven't been able to keep any of their depth over the last 3-5 years; it's the near-constant rotation of middle and bottom 6 players, and the same goes for the defence
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Who haven't we been able to re-sign? We haven't lost anybody to cap. We've had turnover in our depth for a lot of other reasons, but not for cap, outside of the normal trying to avoid signing bad contracts. Depth turnover is pretty normal, especially for good teams. We actually probably should have done more of it recently. Just in the past year, beyond the core 4, we re-signed 5 forwards, 3 defensemen, and 2 goalies currently on our roster. Marner won't get in the way of re-signing Knies.
Rare Jewel said:
It's not ridiculous to say that keeping this roster construction with a three headed cap hydra is a concession in itself because you just can't fill the rest of the team as best as you could, yet this NBA "stars over anything" mentality still persists; why? We've had no success with it.
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You can fill the team just fine. It's not stars over everything. It's team over everything. Logic over emotion. Giving us the best chance moving forward over dwelling on the past. We haven't gotten the cup yet, but this model has been successful through the most difficult possible situations for this model, and abandoning it by getting rid of one of our best players - especially when we're about to get all the cap space we could ever ask for - is just going to make us worse. I'm not interested in getting worse. We've been doing enough of that already.
Rare Jewel said:
Colorado has changed, and they've actually won something...
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Colorado changed a smaller piece for unrelated reasons, after winning with their stars, and they're worse off for it.
Rare Jewel said:
It's not cherry-picking when he makes as much as he does. He gets paid what he does to produce points, and he's a 90-point scorer, as you've pointed out.
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It is, by definition, cherry picking. You're isolating a specific point type and specific time frame, and misrepresenting the impact of the individual. He gets paid for his overall impact like everybody else, and as I've pointed out, he's more than just a 90 point scorer. He's a 100+ point all-situations two-way force that is dominant offensively and defensively in every game state.
Rare Jewel said:
If he wants to be paid like Rantanen, then produce and have success like he has.
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He'll be paid more than Rantanen because he's a better player than Rantanen. GMs understand that. Contracts aren't based on team success.
Rare Jewel said:
Well, kind of; by saying more than 90, you are inferring it's better than 90 when really he's only paced like that twice. 21-22 and this season. So, whether it's 90 or 96, it's more or less the same value. 90 is 90, and that's impressive, so it doesn't need to be glossed up.
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He's paced more than 90 every season for the past 7 years:

2018-2019: 94
2019-2020: 93
2020-2021: 100
2021-2022: 111
2022-2023: 102
2023-2024: 101
2024-2025: 111

The individual seemed to take special care to be precise for the other players, and that's a pretty significant underrepresentation for Marner. Being accurate and consistent is not "glossing" anything up.
 
horner said:
We need another dman Timmins isn't a solution or Myers
With OEL going down we got exposed
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Walman from the Sharks I think would be a good one to pursue. Seems unlikely they want to trade him with the season he's having but maybe? Murphy also would be solid obviously.

I struggle to find other fits that would actually be worth the upgrade.
 
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If this coaching staff isn’t going to play Domi next to Matthews, he needs to be shipped out.

I get the assists are there-ish, but to pay 3.75 million on a cap strapped team for someone who is a defensive liability and will score you 5 goals all season is pretty crazy.
 
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TMLAM34 said:
If this coaching staff isn’t going to play Domi next to Matthews, he needs to be shipped out.

I get the assists are there-ish, but to pay 3.75 million on a cap strapped team for someone who is a defensive liability and will score you 5 goals all season is pretty crazy.
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The whole team depth is a tire fire.
 
thewave said:
The whole team depth is a tire fire.
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To be honest, I didn’t mind the signing when it happened. I was a little surprised with the term given Domi has bounce around quite a bit but the way he was playing and standing up for Matthews last season was very encouraging. Really shocked it hasn’t even been given a chance this season. Would love to see Knies - Matthews - Domi for a couple games. Let Marner drive his own line in a contract year.
 
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TMLAM34 said:
To be honest, I didn’t mind the signing when it happened. I was a little surprised with the term given Domi has bounce around quite a bit but the way he was playing and standing up for Matthews last season was very encouraging. Really shocked it hasn’t even been given a chance this season. Would love to see Knies - Matthews - Domi for a couple games. Let Marner drive his own line in a contract year.
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Exactly. That's the other coaching issue.
 
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Hopefully we don’t throw away assets this trade deadline for marginal upgrades or players who will just walk in free agency. I’d rather save our assets and when we have more cap space to work with, go after Cozens in the summer.

McMann - Cozens - Nylander

Give me that.
 
thewave said:
Leafs look like crap doing nothing. Coach non responsive. Depth players non responsive. Looks like an 18 Wheeler in progress.
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I don’t think the leafs have much assets to trade and prefer they stand pat this year.

They trade Cowan and another first, lose in the first round and then marners and Tavares walk. Would be an absolute nightmare and such a leaf thing to happen.
 
Apex Predator said:
I don’t think the leafs have much assets to trade and prefer they stand pat this year.

They trade Cowan and another first, lose in the first round and then marners and Tavares walk. Would be an absolute nightmare and such a leaf thing to happen.
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That’s why I would wait until the off-season before making any major moves. Let’s see what this core group can do under a new coach in the playoffs.
 
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