Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[francis246]

Kyper is full of shit on this. Friedman clearly has said on more than one occasion, the Avs offered $11.75m which would make him the highest paid winger. Interesting that he was pumping Marner at $13.8m a while back but now crickets. 11.5m is one hell of a discount because if Marner is worth 13.8, Ranta is worth 14.5.

Avs feel they can't win with 3 winners making $33+m going forward, even with the cap predicted to go to 100m in the next two years. Leafs trying to win with 4 losers making 50+% of their 87.5m cap and want to keep this gong show going.

at the end of the day we don't know who is full of shit. Kipper could be full of shit. The avs could be feeding Friedman info as well to win the battle of public perception. The truth is somewhere in the middle. like I said in the marner thread, teams feed misinformation to insiders or use insiders to get their "side" out to the public all the time, especially after making huge moves.

 

[SprDaVE]

Advanced stats show he's been just awful on the PK.

I don't think he's ever been known for his PK/defensive prowless. He's shooting below 10% right now too, so he'll likely have a bump in production. The Leafs are not a team that should claim him for obvious reasons, but I would be all over him as a retooling/rebuilding team.

 

[ToneDog]

at the end of the day we don't know who is full of shit. Kipper could be full of shit. The avs could be feeding Friedman info as well to win the battle of public perception. The truth is somewhere in the middle. like I said in the marner thread, teams feed misinformation to insiders all the time, especially after making huge moves.

Now that the dust has settled, I like the return but I question the Avs logic of not resigning Ranta if he was willing to take slightly less than MacKinnon with the cap predicted to rise to $100m in two years. Would have been good for the Leafs had Ranta signed for $12.5m because Marner should come in lower. Here's hoping the Canes work out a deal with Ranta soon. They knew what ballpark Ranta was in before they traded for him, so I expect them to resign him and their owner is thrifty.

 

[Kiwi]

What can Tre trade for with what Shanny is willing to trade? You can't go shopping for a Mercedes if all you want to spend is enough money to buy a Lada. Hell Tre could not find a better trade option so he decided it was better to overpay a PPG winger.

Here's the thing, you don't have to buy a Mercedes

McCabe wasn't a "sexy" trade, we identified a good player and found a way to aquire him

I'm not asking to redo the wheel here, just use some less traditional thinking around the TDL

 

[supermann_98]

Anyone think the leafs should offer Marner 11.75m like Rantanen reportedly would have signed for?

If not ask him to waive and trade

I would leak it to Ranta's camp that the Leafs have offered Marner $12.25m and it's been turned down so they'll be looking to use that money in UFA and hope that another really good UFA winger is available by then

 

[ToneDog]

I would leak it to Ranta's camp that the Leafs have offered Marner $12.25m and it's been turned down so they'll be looking to use that money in UFA and hope that another really good UFA winger is available by then

What is there to leak? Word on the street is that Leafs have set a ceiling of $13m for Marner. We need somebody to soft tamper with Ranta before Ferris wakes up and takes that deal.

All Tre has to do is announce, we are moving on from Marner and spending the $13m he turned down on a UFA on July 1st

 

[ACC1224]

I would leak it to Ranta's camp that the Leafs have offered Marner $12.25m and it's been turned down so they'll be looking to use that money in UFA and hope that another really good UFA winger is available by then

What would that achieve?

 

[thusk]

Here's the thing, you don't have to buy a Mercedes

McCabe wasn't a "sexy" trade, we identified a good player and found a way to aquire him

I'm not asking to redo the wheel here, just use some less traditional thinking around the TDL

They're always 2 side.

1 - The player you target as a fit in your team is he available? Exemple McCabe type of player available are not available very often, especially at 50% for 2 year and half

2- If team are open, the price it is fair or completly trash?

If the anawer is No to any of this questions, hes not an option anymore

 

[Torontonian]

Shanahan is the President of hockey operations, so I sure hope he's involved. But to put the entire blame on him is weak. Treliving is the GM and thus makes the day to day moves of the team.

Who says they have to trade 1st rounders or blue chip prospects for rentals? For example, the Caps added Chychrun, Eller, Thompson, Mangiapane and Dubois without trading a top pick or top prospect in the last what... 6-8 months?

Again, every trade to FA signing runs through him and needs his approval. Previous GM tried to make changes and was shutdown by him, would it surprise you if Treliving tried to make changes and was shut down? -- As mentioned previously in the thread, Treliving has a track history of making big trades, and yet with Dubas and now Treliving the team has yet to make a significant trade / addition to our team in what, almost 8 years? I just think the guy at the very top is afraid to take big swings.

Caps have had a little more flexibility to make those moves in comparison to Toronto, but the moves you mentioned aren't much different to what Toronto has tried to do & done, apart from Dubois and Chychurn, both whom where traded for guys that had term left on their deal. Toronto doesn't really have those types of players they can trade away.

Eller (pending UFA) was traded for a mid round pick, Toronto more then likely does the same thing @ TDL.
Thompson (Pending UFA) was traded for a mid round pick, Toronto pretty much did same thing with Stolarz.
Mangiapane (Pending UFA) was traded for a 2nd round pick.

All those to me are the equivalent to Toronto signing Bert / Domi to 1 year contracts, except they are using money instead of picks.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Maple Leafs and Sharks emerging as potential trade partners

The Toronto Maple Leafs will be buyers before the trade deadline, and...

theleafsnation.com

Kunin and Walman? I don't hate this. Also, Walman is my buddy's 2nd cousin. This may result in some sort of perk for me.

 

[supermann_98]

What would that achieve?

Hopefully that we'll be in need of a high priced winger on July 1st with a nice cushy spot on a line next to a multiple time rocket Richard trophy winner as the carrot

What is there to leak? Word on the street is that Leafs have set a ceiling of $13m for Marner. We need somebody to soft tamper with Ranta before Ferris wakes up and takes that deal.

All Tre has to do is announce, we are moving on from Marner and spending the $13m he turned down on a UFA on July 1st

If true that makes me so sick to my stomach

 

[SprDaVE]

Again, every trade to FA signing runs through him and needs his approval. Previous GM tried to make changes and was shutdown by him, would it surprise you if Treliving tried to make changes and was shut down? -- As mentioned previously in the thread, Treliving has a track history of making big trades, and yet with Dubas and now Treliving the team has yet to make a significant trade / addition to our team in what, almost 8 years? I just think the guy at the very top is afraid to take big swings.

Caps have had a little more flexibility to make those moves in comparison to Toronto, but the moves you mentioned aren't much different to what Toronto has tried to do & done, apart from Dubois and Chychurn, both whom where traded for guys that had term left on their deal. Toronto doesn't really have those types of players they can trade away.

Eller (pending UFA) was traded for a mid round pick, Toronto more then likely does the same thing @ TDL.
Thompson (Pending UFA) was traded for a mid round pick, Toronto pretty much did same thing with Stolarz.
Mangiapane (Pending UFA) was traded for a 2nd round pick.

All those to me are the equivalent to Toronto signing Bert / Domi to 1 year contracts, except they are using money instead of picks.

What you talk about Shanahan is probably what every GM goes through on every team. They all go through their boss and make sure they are all on the same page. Every team has the same hierarchy that Treliving deals with. There is zero evidence Treliving tried to pull of trades or signings and Shanahan squashed his desires one way or another. We're just excusing his lack of moves via the trading market to blame Shanahan being the one impending his true potential, which is absurd to me.

Dubas made a lot of big trades over the years, for better or worse. That's the last thing I think we can blame him for is being complacent and a lack of creativity to add players to the team.

It was just an example to show that teams can make additions of various degrees without giving up top end future assets -- this is what creativity is about. It wasn't that they all made sense for the Leafs. Vegas is another team that has made big time additions over the years despite having little cap space and little assets. Carolina, Tampa, Florida, etc make it happen.... hell Vancouver made it happen last season. We'll see if Treliving can make it happen.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

If St Louis keeps slipping out of the playoffs we might have to ask about Schenn with his nice KO punch yesterday lol, be a fun addition

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't think he's ever been known for his PK/defensive prowless. He's shooting below 10% right now too, so he'll likely have a bump in production. The Leafs are not a team that should claim him for obvious reasons, but I would be all over him as a retooling/rebuilding team.

I think the only tempting thing would be something around Domi but they won't because Domi has more term.

 

[SprDaVE]

Maple Leafs and Sharks emerging as potential trade partners

The Toronto Maple Leafs will be buyers before the trade deadline, and...

theleafsnation.com

Kunin and Walman? I don't hate this. Also, Walman is my buddy's 2nd cousin. This may result in some sort of perk for me.

They got Walman for free, which is insane. I would have given the Red Wings value for him at the time of the trade. Another ball dropped.

He's left handed, which is unfortunate but I believe he's capable to play RD. Playing big minutes for San Jose in all situations. And he's from Toronto. I would be very interested in a Kunin + Walman package. That would bolster our center and physical depth further, and give us a big boost in offense from the back end. I'd be surprised if Treliving can pull that off, but I would not be surprised if Kunin is a top Leafs target in the next few weeks.

 

[ACC1224]

Hopefully that we'll be in need of a high priced winger on July 1st with a nice cushy spot on a line next to a multiple time rocket Richard trophy winner as the carrot


If true that makes me so sick to my stomach

Agents talk to each other. Rantanen and Marners agent will have a very good idea what is going on with each player. I don't see what leaking will achieve.

 

[Torontonian]

What you talk about Shanahan is probably what every GM goes through on every team. They all go through their boss and make sure they are all on the same page. Every team has the same hierarchy that Treliving deals with. There is zero evidence Treliving tried to pull of trades or signings and Shanahan squashed his desires one way or another. We're just excusing his lack of moves via the trading market to blame Shanahan being the one impending his true potential, which is absurd to me.

Dubas made a lot of big trades over the years, for better or worse. That's the last thing I think we can blame him for is being complacent and a lack of creativity to add players to the team.

It was just an example to show that teams can make additions of various degrees without giving up top end future assets -- this is what creativity is about. It wasn't that they all made sense for the Leafs. Vegas is another team that has made big time additions over the years despite having little cap space and little assets. Carolina, Tampa, Florida, etc make it happen.... hell Vancouver made it happen last season. We'll see if Treliving can make it happen.

I guess what I'm trying to say is both GMS of the Leafs have made smaller moves such as depth pieces, but no one has actually made a bigger move that has moved the needle for the team both in the short and long term, IE acquiring a player with more then 1 or 2 years on their contract. and actually trading top prospects or 1st round picks. I think that's because of Shanahan, but we can agree to disagree on that. Maybe we just have different views on additions, but Toronto has always acquired players @ the deadline to bolster the lineup, but again, nothing that has moved the needle. Just like this year is probably going to be the same thing. To me, the common denominator is the guy running the organization.

You talk about Vegas, Tampa, Flordia, Carolina... and even Vancouver.. All of them have made monster moves within the past 3 years while giving up high end players or prospects to make themselves better..

Vegas trading for Eichel and giving up: Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 2nd.

Vancouver trading for Lindholm and giving up: 1st, Kuzmenko (coming off solid year)
,
Florida trading for Tkchuck and Reinhart and giving up: Huberdeau, Weager, 1st & for Reinhart it was Levi + 1st round pick.

Carolina just recently trading for Rantenten and giving up: Necas + Drury.

Tampa trading for Hagel for 2 first round picks, + Trading for Jeannot for 1st,2nd,3rd,4th.. and then trading Sergachev.

 

[thewave]

They should, but he's not going to sign it though. Friedman has often said with Ferris and I may be slightly paraphrasing, "he takes his clients to free agency"

So, if he does resign here, my guess is going to at or near July 1st, and by then Mitch may have very well won the Selke and just a few days away from another team likely offering him between 12-14m per season.

May be 12-14m but it will be a max of 7 years. Little guy like him slowing down already. I would want the full 8 if I were him and not to mention those endorsements, which are some of the most lucrative in the entire league, are not following him. They are GTA centric so he has to think again. I would play chicken with him, I think he will sign at around WN money once they do the math. 11.75 - 12m if signed. That's my guess

 

[WTFMAN99]

I guess what I'm trying to say is both GMS of the Leafs have made smaller moves such as depth pieces, but no one has actually made a bigger move that has moved the needle for the team both in the short and long term, IE acquiring a player with more then 1 or 2 years on their contract. and actually trading top prospects or 1st round picks. I think that's because of Shanahan, but we can agree to disagree on that. Maybe we just have different views on additions, but Toronto has always acquired players @ the deadline to bolster the lineup, but again, nothing that has moved the needle. Just like this year is probably going to be the same thing. To me, the common denominator is the guy running the organization.

You talk about Vegas, Tampa, Flordia, Carolina... and even Vancouver.. All of them have made monster moves within the past 3 years while giving up high end players or prospects to make themselves better..

Vegas trading for Eichel and giving up: Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 2nd.

Vancouver trading for Lindholm and giving up: 1st, Kuzmenko (coming off solid year)
,
Florida trading for Tkchuck and Reinhart and giving up: Huberdeau, Weager, 1st & for Reinhart it was Levi + 1st round pick.

Carolina just recently trading for Rantenten and giving up: Necas + Drury.

Tampa trading for Hagel for 2 first round picks, + Trading for Jeannot for 1st,2nd,3rd,4th.. and then trading Sergachev.

Valid point.

Sometimes they don't work, sometimes they do but I would definitely argue that the current group/core we have has shown they aren't capable of doing anything in the playoffs.

 

[budzz]

They got Walman for free, which is insane. I would have given the Red Wings value for him at the time of the trade. Another ball dropped.

He's left handed, which is unfortunate but I believe he's capable to play RD. Playing big minutes for San Jose in all situations. And he's from Toronto. I would be very interested in a Kunin + Walman package. That would bolster our center and physical depth further, and give us a big boost in offense from the back end. I'd be surprised if Treliving can pull that off, but I would not be surprised if Kunin is a top Leafs target in the next few weeks.

One line in that article makes no sense to me... "Grier and the Sharks have shown a willingness to retain salary of players they move, with the likes of Erik Karlsson, Tomas Hertl and Brent Burns still on their payroll, but that will result in Treliving having to sweeten the trade offer to include much more than just Robertson, plus, plus." Isn't the limit on retained salaries maxed out at 3??? They couldn't retain if they wanted to, unless a third team got involved.

 

[ITM]

Maple Leafs and Sharks emerging as potential trade partners

The Toronto Maple Leafs will be buyers before the trade deadline, and...

theleafsnation.com

Kunin and Walman? I don't hate this. Also, Walman is my buddy's 2nd cousin. This may result in some sort of perk for me.

Walman I don't mind, but Kunin's a band-aid boy. I'd rather kick tires on Zetterlund.

 

[Madap]

Here’s something I don’t understand about these guys. When your career earnings are already close to 70 million and you’re about to sign another $80+ million contract, does 1.5-2mill per year matter in the grand scheme of things? Sure it’s $16 million over the course of a contract, but when your career earnings are projected to be $150 mill + investments + sponsorship and commercial deals it really isn’t a life changing sum anymore.

11.5x8 would be celebrated by the fan base and there would be less pressure. 13.5x8 and you’re public enemy number 1.

I feel like it’s not just the money itself, but the respect that comes along with it. Marner appears to look at himself as the same quality player as Matthews and wants to get paid like it, regardless of what Matthews contract was. He and his agent do not care about comparables across the league and only look at those on the team.

I don’t know for sure if that’s still the case, but it certainly was last time around and it’s appearing similar now.

 

[Torontonian]

Valid point.

Sometimes they don't work, sometimes they do but I would definitely argue that the current group/core we have has shown they aren't capable of doing anything in the playoffs.

Agreed, not every move is a winner, some end up being bad, and you end up with a egg on your face, such as the Kadri deal, or a potential Cowan/Minten trade. But at some point, you need to try to swing for the fences and hit a home run.

Bigger problem is I think the President is afraid to have a egg on his face. Just my opinion.

 

[nuck]

May be 12-14m but it will be a max of 7 years. Little guy like him slowing down already. I would want the full 8 if I were him and not to mention those endorsements, which are some of the most lucrative in the entire league, are not following him. They are GTA centric so he has to think again. I would play chicken with him, I think he will sign at around WN money once they do the math. 11.75 - 12m if signed. That's my guess

He's not a $13M player. If he wants that for 28 goals he can walk. Sign Ekblad and one of Boeser or Ehlers. The world doesn't end if Mitch doesn't get his overpayment except in Shanny's nightmares.

 

[thewave]

He's not a $13M player. If he wants that for 28 goals he can walk. Sign Ekblad and one of Boeser or Ehlers. The world doesn't end if Mitch doesn't get his overpayment except in Shanny's nightmares.

I am with you. Marner at max for me is getting a match with Nylanders contract. He is better than Nylander in a lot of ways but way worse in others. If you pay him 12m there is no way he gets a NMC