Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[ToneDog]

It would be incredibly difficult to fit Cozens in cap wise this year though. I'm not sure how it would be done. I don't mind the idea terribly, as much as I'd hate to move Knies... and we'd be weak on LW. Maybe a double retained Zucker thrown in?



I'm of the opinion that this group of forwards are the ones who have to figure it out. If this "elite" group of forwards, all making North of $10 million, need a TDA to help them score on the PP, the problem isn't really TDA or Rielly.... They've actually got a lot to figure out, consistency, effort, and how to play in the playoffs.

If they have not figured it out after all these playoff disappointments, odds are they never do. Maybe it is not in their DNA or they bleed green, not blue and white.

 

[Fogelhund]

I’d rather be weak at LW than C.

As far as cap goes this year - they can fit him in if they shed the dead cap (Reaves, Jarnkrok, Timmins or Hakanpaa) and Kampf.

Hakanpaa and Jarnkrok aren't currently dead cap... at least in that way.

We'd need to bring in a winger to fill out the roster, as we just don't have enough bodies once these guys are moved. Jordan Greenway at 50%, if Buffalo doesn't want to extend him... he's a UFA. It would be best for us to pick up another winger near league minimum as well.

Appreciating that McMann, Robertson, Patches, Domi or Patches end up being our 1LW.

 

[Fogelhund]

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How weren't we in on this?

 

[Americanadian]

Hakanpaa and Jarnkrok aren't currently dead cap... at least in that way.

We'd need to bring in a winger to fill out the roster, as we just don't have enough bodies once these guys are moved. Jordan Greenway at 50%, if Buffalo doesn't want to extend him... he's a UFA. It would be best for us to pick up another winger near league minimum as well.

Appreciating that McMann, Robertson, Patches, Domi or Patches end up being our 1LW.

I would avoid the Buffalo wingers because I’m not a fan but I understand your point.

Maybe Jarnkrok returns and fills a top 9 wing.

 

[1specter]

Then make a trade? Address it with a proper addition of some kind? He might be better than last time around and on a cheap deal maybe it's worth the gamble but I dunno where he fits even if he does well. Is he better than Timmins or even Hakanpaa? Maybe adding him makes the Leafs turn around for a trade or something, we'll see.



DeAngelo is a terrible human and he's been kicked off teams left right and center. Let him rot in the KHL. I don't understand why anyone would want him. There is no way a huge team like the Leafs ever bother with a clown show like that.

You don't have to tell me, that's what I've been waiting for him to do. Tre has definitely disappointed me in the trade department.

 

[Fogelhund]

I would avoid the Buffalo wingers because I’m not a fan but I understand your point.

Maybe Jarnkrok returns and fills a top 9 wing.

Maybe, but cap doesn't fit, if you obtain Cozens. I just did Buffalo, as we would have a need, and already doing a deal with them... and maybe Greenway doesn't extend with them... he's been better in the past, than with Buffalo... Sabres curse... big body, playoff style hockey though. Would need to add one, maybe two wingers, from somewhere.

It would be prudent to give Steeves some time higher up in the lineup, to see if he can play with more offensive players, before going an obtaining someone. He's having such a good year in the AHL, and deserves a shot somewhere.

 

[Kurtz]

Sign Deangelo, go with 11 forwards/7 dmen, have Deangelo only come out for the PP. Give Nylander/Marner a few shifts on the 4th line.

Reeves is seeing like 6 minutes/game on the 4th, split those 6 between Willy and Mitch, they should be able to handle that just fine and we'd get some offensive production from that line for a change.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Id rather run with 10 forwards and 5 dmen than sign that loser. He is not an NHL player.

 

[TMLAM34]

With how bad the Leafs have been playing lately, I wouldn’t be too upset if our deadline additions were pretty minor.

I honestly have very little faith in this core group of guys being able to withstand 4 playoff rounds and grind their way to victory.

Hopefully if/when there’s another “upset” and were eliminated from the playoffs in round 1 or get embarrassed in round 2, we finally see some major changes this off-season.

 

[Fogelhund]

@thusk Take a look at your boy Kakko.. 3 goals and 8 points in 11 games with Seattle since the trade... like I said, decent, if not spectacular player, and certainly not a Puljujarvi.

 

[Magic Man]

Klingberg or DeAngelo would be welcome additions. Liljegren was traded out early and Hakanpaa never really came back. Leaving the quality depth options a little light. Securing one of them to push Timmins out of the lineup would be a good move. The team needs more offense, picking up one of these two is a low risk move that could have a very positive impact.

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Peyton Krebs
To Buffalo: Nick Robertson + EDM 3rd Rounder

Simple quiet trade deadline. See how the core group performs one more time in the playoffs and go from there in the summer.


Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Pacioretty - Krebs - Nylander
Lorentz - Kampf - Dewar

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Ekman Larsson
Benoit - Timmins/Myers

Stolarz - Woll

 

[nuck]

With all the smoke around Cozens I could see a Knies for Cozens deal making sense.

I love Knies but I want to see the Leafs win and I think this framework for a deal is a win for the Leafs.

Cozens is 2 years older than Knies and is a RS C. Buffalo is apparently only interested in win now pieces which eliminates the Cowan/Minten/Danford/2026 1st proposals. The only piece the Leafs have that would entice Buffalo is most likely Knies.

The reporting in the market is that Knies is looking for 7M so in theory the cap hit is offset beyond this season.

Cozens had 31g/68p in his age 21 season playing with 2 rookies in Peterka and Quinn. Knies at 22 is pacing 31g/51p primarily playing alongside Matthews and Marner.

Obviously Cozens is only available because his play has dropped off in his age 22 and 23 seasons but this is the type of gamble I think Toronto should be making to push themselves into contender status.

For Buffalo they get another young player with upside. I could see them wanting Toronto to add. Knies-Thompson-Tuch would be a fun line.

Is he this years Bennett or Reinhart? I like Knies a lot but JT could be two years away from being a winger and the pipeline at C is non existent. Cozens or someone like him for me..

 

[Leaf Fans]

I would mind the Leafs claiming Ludwig. Doesn't solve any real problems, but might be a better fit over Timmons.

 

[Rocker13]

Not all the fans here are either.

When I mentioned getting a 2nd. line center many took exception to the idea.

I guess living only in the moment is a thing, but I'm guessing Tavares is not Duncan MacLeod.

Transition planning isn't a bad thing.

There can only be one!

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Peyton Krebs
To Buffalo: Nick Robertson + EDM 3rd Rounder

To Toronto: Rasmus Ristolainen (1.1 Retained)
To Philadelphia: Conor Timmins + Pontus Holmberg + FLA 2nd Rounder


Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Pacioretty - Krebs - Nylander
Lorentz - Kampf - Dewar

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Ristolainen
Benoit - Ekman Larsson

Stolarz - Woll

 

[The Iceman]

OEL can’t be plan A to play a single playoff game on the right side

 

[jaric1862]

I think it's so obvious what's going to happen. They're going to wait until the big center targets move and then offer their 2nd+ for the best center left. Trade won't happen until closer to the deadline.
Very similar thing happened last year with the D market.

 

[Rocker13]

We'd miss his offense and ability with the puck from the back end. He's also been one of the few producing players in the playoffs. Not sure why anyone would want Miller, who has had locker room issues with multiple teammates.

A big no thanks to Miller. Leafs don't need his locker room issues.

 

[shortfuze]

A big no thanks to Miller. Leafs don't need his locker room issues.

maybe thats what the 3 headed monster needs in that locker room, some issues to get their asses moving in the playoffs instead of worrying about the payoffs from endorsements.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yeah having a locker room with butting heads seems a whole lot better. Many teams with nice and close locker rooms have won. Not sure how many hated each other. Just because we haven't won doesn't mean going the opposite is the way to go either.

With that said, if the Leafs crash and burn again, then maybe it's worth making big changes like that.

I don't disagree with the first paragraph but being scared to just try out a DeAngelo type because we're afraid of his personality seems silly. If he can help the team win, especially on a 1 year deal versus a multi-year commitment, giddy up.

The last paragraph, I feel like that's been said the last 3-5 years and no real big changes have been made, it's the same core with the surrounding cast being changed out.

 

[Stephen]

This isn't a trade but tells why we are still looking for a young center to take over for JT
The Summer of 2022 UFA season Dylan Strome was available for free
A big young center who was a top 3 pick in 2015
2021-22 season
69 gp 22g 26a 48pts
He had never played with a great team
he signed a 1 yr deal for 3.5 mil
we didn't have any young centers in the system

Dubas was never a forward thinking GM

And here we are today looking for a Center to take over for JT

And it is not about what he is doing today I wanted him back then

We had Kerfoot remember?

 

[SprDaVE]

I don't disagree with the first paragraph but being scared to just try out a DeAngelo type because we're afraid of his personality seems silly. If he can help the team win, especially on a 1 year deal versus a multi-year commitment, giddy up.

The last paragraph, I feel like that's been said the last 3-5 years and no real big changes have been made, it's the same core with the surrounding cast being changed out.

"personality" certainly is a way to describe him. He's a shitty racist. He's also a lazy hockey player with a ton of holes in his game. He was suspended an insane amount of times for his performance on and off the ice. Yeah... silly for not wanting a piece of crap human on the team.

Miller isn't any of that but still has had a lot of issues with teammates over the years. Canucks went from great to average really fast. It's a fine line that can change very fast in this league.

The funny thing is you talk about the Leafs and it's core not winning crap, but Miller or DeAngelo haven't won crap either on some great teams.

 

[WTFMAN99]

"personality" certainly is a way to describe him. He's a shitty racist. He's also a lazy hockey player with a ton of holes in his game. He was suspended an insane amount of times for his performance on and off the ice. Yeah... silly for not wanting a piece of shit human on the team.

The funny thing is you talk about the Leafs and it's core not winning crap, but Miller or DeAngelo haven't won crap either on some great teams.

I didn't hear about the racist stuff with him. I was only aware of him being very right wing in terms of politics and getting into it with Georgiev. On the Georgiev front, I am sure a lot of his former teammates on Colorado wanted to strangle him at times too. DeAngelo is definitely not a perfect hockey player, you have to shelter the hell out of him and just give him PP time, that's his only real use. I try to stay open minded with things, I traditionally lean left / central on politics but at work, definitely more "right wing" guys but we get along great as long as we don't discuss politics for more than a few minutes.

If we're bringing up JT Miller, at the least I think he's been to round 3 which technically is not winning anything, ditto DeAngelo, I don't think he made it beyond round 2.

I remember the Kings not exactly being filled with great guys, Richards and Carter had their problems in Philly. Stoll I think got busted on some cocaine charges. Kuznetsov also got busted on coke charges with the Caps. Those guys won cups...but I wouldn't credit cocaine either lol. Basically I wouldn't aim for the perfect locker room if the player is good-great but only to an extent. Obviously you cannot add racists or real POS type guys.

 

[SprDaVE]

I didn't hear about the racist stuff with him. I was only aware of him being very right wing in terms of politics and getting into it with Georgiev. On the Georgiev front, I am sure a lot of his former teammates on Colorado wanted to strangle him at times too. DeAngelo is definitely not a perfect hockey player, you have to shelter the hell out of him and just give him PP time, that's his only real use. I try to stay open minded with things, I traditionally lean left / central on politics but at work, definitely more "right wing" guys but we get along great as long as we don't discuss politics for more than a few minutes.

If we're bringing up JT Miller, at the least I think he's been to round 3 which technically is not winning anything, ditto DeAngelo, I don't think he made it beyond round 2.

I remember the Kings not exactly being filled with great guys, Richards and Carter had their problems in Philly. Stoll I think got busted on some cocaine charges. Kuznetsov also got busted on coke charges with the Caps. Those guys won cups...but I wouldn't credit cocaine either lol. Basically I wouldn't aim for the perfect locker room if the player is good-great but only to an extent. Obviously you cannot add racists or real POS type guys.

I won't bother posting all the stuff he got suspended about because there are too much. It isn't because of his politics and the stuff with Georgiev is only the tip of the iceberg. The first ever player to be bought out twice in the NHL is a great accomplishment.