Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[Rare Jewel]

They very well might but not if it's the difference between carrying a 21 man roster down the stretch or a 22 man roster. Either way - I don't think he would carry any value. He'd be worth less than the 4th they traded for him last season.

Some teams would give a 4th, especially in this draft, whether it's worth it to do that less than a year after getting him. Maybe not.

As I said, it's two deals that are predicated on the other GM having a particular liking for those players. Generally speaking about their value, I'd say you're pretty close.

 

[Stephen]

Next 3 years with, Matthews, Schenn, Tavares and that probably puts the Leafs into retool scenario.

Maybe gives them the opportunity to develop some prospects into players?
Wouldn't that be a hoot!!!

Hmm yeah Tavares and Schenn 3 years from now will probably not be the most appetizing duo. Matthews will be 31 and still prime age but I guess if he’s re-signing you’ll need a youth movement to support him.

So maybe no to Schenn and no to a long term deal on JT with any real money.

 

[thusk]

No one said we don't. But it won't be a knies type guy. But if it is you still do it.


Great you watch other teams. We still get hosed lmfao.

None of that helps us.

If it's not knies, honestly i don't see anyone else who can make a deal possible for Dobson...The only other way would probably get one of marner ( with extension) nylander of matthews waiving their NMC for NYI.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I also think if Dubas was willing to part with a pick for Holmberg it would have been done a long time ago.

But it does open yet another hole @ C.

So unless you've got another deal planned, even being offered, that doesn't mean it's best unless you want Kampf @ 3C and can ensure that Matthews and JT won't miss any more time.

 

[thusk]

6

How much does schenn make?

6,5M for 3 1/2 years

 

[Byron Bitz]

Yeah that question definitely needs to be answered. Where is B. Schenn at these days?

It’s kind of crazy how so many centers from that 2009 draft seem to be relevant for us here in 2025. Tavares, O’Reilly, B. Schenn, Kadri. Brock Nelson is from the 2010 draft.

Feels like the league is starting to get older again.

Also Matt Duchene could be an option in free agency this summer

 

[Americanadian]

But it does open yet another hole @ C.

So unless you've got another deal planned, even being offered, that doesn't mean it's best unless you want Kampf @ 3C and can ensure that Matthews and JT won't miss any more time.

Dewar/Holmberg are pretty indistinguishable at C in my opinion.

 

[ULF_55]

Hmm yeah Tavares and Schenn 3 years from now will probably not be the most appetizing duo. Matthews will be 31 and still prime age but I guess if he’s re-signing you’ll need a youth movement to support him.

So maybe no to Schenn and no to a long term deal on JT with any real money.

What do you consider long term?

I don't think 3 years is long term, although 4 seems too long for Tavares.

Tavares next contract is not a 35+ deal, so he could be bought out.

 

[4thline]

Assuming Schenn has this season and one more in him at a top 6 level, the buyout drops to 1.3 million when the cap will be like 110.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Dewar/Holmberg are pretty indistinguishable at C in my opinion.

I'd want to see more of Dewar at @ C, but I mean, when JT is out, Holmberg is one that goes with Nylander or becomes the 3rd C.

I know he's a bit of a pinata right now, but I don't think I'd move him unless it were for a 3rd or similarly aged player that I liked, which may be more likely granted.

 

[ULF_55]

Also Matt Duchene could be an option in free agency this summer

Just wondering ...

With the projected Cap increases are players who appear too expensive in their existing contracts actually be bargains compared to UFA signings this summer?

Example, a 2nd. line center getting $7mm per season on an existing contract be on the market as a $9mm+ player in July?

So a cost benefit analysis could perhaps determine that the cost of the outgoing assets equalize overall cost?

Not sure if my point is clear?

UFA: 5 years * $9mm
or
Trade: Prospects+picks + 3 * $7mm

Thoughts?

 

[Rare Jewel]

Anyone want Santeri Hatakka?

 

[Dreakmur]

Successful teams have come in all sorts of elite player configurations. You're making arbitrary distinctions, because you know I'm right. There are many different ways to win a cup.

All of those different ways involve getting good value for your cap dollars. Spending on wingers isn’t good value.

Just following in your footsteps.

You’re a very poor tracker.

Wingers are important. Dismissing the impact of a high end, two-way, all-situations player is ridiculous.

Less impactful doesn’t mean not impactful.

Wingers are the least impactful position. If you’re disputing that, you are absolutely clueless.

You can disagree all you want, but the results do not support your position.

Point to the team that proves me wrong….

We can have both, and choosing the worse one would be pretty stupid if we were choosing one.

We absolutely cannot have both.

I agree choosing Nylander was the wrong choice, but it’s been made.

The GM in Pittsburgh is not the embodiment of anything. He's just a GM. If you want to misunderstand why Pittsburgh is in the state it's in, go ahead. Doesn't change the good job he did for the Leafs.

Good one, Randy.

 

[Fogelhund]

I fully agree on all points but I'm not sure if Doug Armstrong does.

Let's get him on a conference call and get this done.

 

[Warden of the North]

I think I'm only interested in Schenn if we get at least 50% retention on him.

 

[ULF_55]

Friedman thinks Chicago throws big money at Marner if he makes it to July 1. Need someone to play with Bedard.

This could be an interesting summer.

So Leafs could have $12mm+ for one player after re-signing Tavares to a fair contract.

 

[ULF_55]

I think I'm only interested in Schenn if we get at least 50% retention on him.

If Blues decide to go into rebuild not retool, just might get that with a very good package.

Example, 3 first round pick equivalents, and a player.

Danforth, Cowan, 2026 - 1st. , Robertson. (just throwing out there)

Seems high, but the 3 years of retention is quite the ask.

And if you're going that far, I think it opens up more options.

 

[leafsfan5]

I would do it. Only problem is that Lou would try to swing a + and the Leafs probably say no.

McCabe - Dobson
Rielly - Tanev
Oel - Myers/Benoit

or

McCabe Tanev
Oel- Dobson
Rielly - Myers/Benoit

I'd personally give the former a shot

That's a really strong defensive core with all the different elements you need - offensive production, elite shutdown guys, some nastiness

Would suck to lose Knies but this fills a major hole

 

[arso40]

If Blues decide to go into rebuild not retool, just might get that with a very good package.

Example, 3 first round pick equivalents, and a player.

Danforth, Cowan, 2026 - 1st. , Robertson. (just throwing out there)

Seems high, but the 3 years of retention is quite the ask.

And if you're going that far, I think it opens up more options.

I want more than that for that though

 

[ULF_55]

I would do it. Only problem is that Lou would try to swing a + and the Leafs probably say no.

McCabe - Dobson
Rielly - Tanev
Oel - Myers/Benoit

or

McCabe Tanev
Oel- Dobson
Rielly - Myers/Benoit

I'd personally give the former a shot

Just read on Spectors that some Islander fans are not so high on Dobson?
Now it was a post by a Habs fan, but is there any substance to it?

 

[Dreakmur]

I think I'm only interested in Schenn if we get at least 50% retention on him.

That would get expensive on a multi-year contract. Maybe sending Kampf back would be more reasonable while having the same effect.

 

[arso40]

That's a really strong defensive core with all the different elements you need - offensive production, elite shutdown guys, some nastiness

Would suck to lose Knies but this fills a major hole

For knies ?

 

[Warden of the North]

That would get expensive on a multi-year contract. Maybe sending Kampf back would be more reasonable while having the same effect.

Agreed. I don't think the fit is really good with us.

 

[leafsfan5]

For knies ?

Yeah the proposal would be something around Knies for Dobson

I love Knies but we have a chance to get a top pair RHD for the next 10 years in this deal

 

[arso40]

Hildebeast Cowan and a 1st for dobson?