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Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

Rare Jewel said:
Your concerns for the PP this season are valid, but the pieces are there to make it work. And I've seen Rielly being swapped out for OEL many times this year, so it's not as much of an accountability issue, either IMO.

Savard has to get more out of them and figure it out. The only thing that sticks out thing that is not really controllable is Matthews' injury, which is likely a wrist issue, as there seems to be far fewer one-timer goals this season certainly compared to last.
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Berube is hardly even attempting changes and neither is Savard. Accountability is this... You change the PP, You change the players on the PP or you change ge the coach.

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Accountability now is what is needed. Not before the TDL. BEFORE THE BREAK.
 
Torontonian said:
Need better then both Sprong (there's something up with him)& O'Connor. Preferably someone incase of injury to Matthews or Tavares can step in and play 2C and not look awful like Holmberg/Kampf.
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I think that's two separate players/deals.

O'Connor is for the depth scoring role, and someone like Laughton or Sissons is for the 3C role.

Torontonian said:
Side Note: Joel Farabee is someone I think Toronto should be targetting, 24 years old, 3 years remaining on a 5 million cap hit, having a down year, on pace for 33 points only, but prior to this year, he was trending upward on points & goals and had 50 points last year. I think he can be someone that plays 3C for the time being and be able to swap with Tavares to the 2nd line C later on.
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It's an interesting suggestion, but the cost may be kind of hefty though.
 
thewave said:
Berube is hardly even attempting changes and neither is Savard. Accountability is this... You change the PP, You change the players on the PP or you change ge the coach.

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Former Maple Leaf Calling for Assistant Coach to be Fired Immediately

With the Maple Leafs power play sitting below the middle of the pack in the NHL, one former Leaf believes that it's time to get rid of assistant coach Marc Savard.
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Accountability now is what is needed. Not before the TDL. BEFORE THE BREAK.
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I mean, it would be a crazy move to fire an assistant coach mid-through his first season.
 
Torontonian said:
Need better then both Sprong (there's something up with him)& O'Connor. Preferably someone incase of injury to Matthews or Tavares can step in and play 2C and not look awful like Holmberg/Kampf.

On the conventional side, assuming Toronto isn't going to trade 1sts + bluechip prospects for rentals and will be in the market for the 2nd tier centerman... Kunin, Donato, Granlund, Evans seem like those will be the types of guys Toronto goes after.


Side Note: Joel Farabee is someone I think Toronto should be targetting, 24 years old, 3 years remaining on a 5 million cap hit, having a down year, on pace for 33 points only, but prior to this year, he was trending upward on points & goals and had 50 points last year. I think he can be someone that plays 3C for the time being and be able to swap with Tavares to the 2nd line C later on.
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Expecting a lot from Farabee when he’s only taken a grand total of 34 face offs this year… He doesn’t play center.
 
Fogelhund said:
PP 23-24 7th best in league
22-23 2nd best in league
21-22 best in league

Yup... this is a PP that has really sucked... like terrible. 3rd best in the league over that three year period... tops in the league just a couple of seasons ago. The PP has been anything but ineffective.. it's tops in the league regularly. This narrative that there isn't accountability, and that multiple PP coaches suck and didn't get anything out of them is just wrong. Same group of players...including Rielly making it a top PP unit.

Sure, they are massively underperforming now, but to ignore that the same players were one of the best in the league for an extended period of time, is willful ignorance.

It needs to get fixed, but this sky is falling, and the world has always sucked routine is sad.
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This is a results business. Did you like the results in round 1. I am sure must have since are full of praise. Are happy with special teams this year as a whole? I am assuming your history lesson is fantastic for history class but let's gtlet this straight. We are playing in 2025 and the playoff results of 2024 carried forward.

Thanks for coming out into the discussion though.
 
thewave said:
Berube is hardly even attempting changes and neither is Savard. Accountability is this... You change the PP, You change the players on the PP or you change ge the coach.

www.mapleleafsdaily.com

Former Maple Leaf Calling for Assistant Coach to be Fired Immediately

With the Maple Leafs power play sitting below the middle of the pack in the NHL, one former Leaf believes that it's time to get rid of assistant coach Marc Savard.
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Accountability now is what is needed. Not before the TDL. BEFORE THE BREAK.
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Players have been moved in, and out. Rielly has been tried, OEL has been tried, 5 forwards was tried, Knies has been on the top unit, off the top unit....

The most effective unit this year has been -> JOHN TAVARES - WILLIAM NYLANDER - MITCH MARNER - MATTHEW KNIES - Rielly.

I don't mind changing the PP coach, but who is available, who is better at this time of year? Is there a coach available who can help this? What are some names?
 
thewave said:
It's not good enough to win. He is losing this team. I have seen this before and it's all the same. You're gonna be a first round flop if he doesn't act fast and pull them back.

1st is not good enough. Playing the right way is more important. It's a clown show out there.
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You can leave and depress thinking about the past or move on and try to make thing differently.

Yes the core is the same but the team is not the same. They moved from an off the rush team to a forwchecking team, its a huge difference vs last year. leafs actual D group is not perfwct but its probably the bwst group lesfs had last 20 years but yes still have eoom to improve.

Personally i saw thing this season i didn't saw before... just as exemple

-Ability to keep their lead
- Ability to respond fast after an opposite goal exemple last gm vs tampa or Boston.

Did leafs have hole? yes but every team had hole no exception. The most important is how you overcome as a team those hole.
 
thewave said:
This is a results business. Did you like the results in round 1. I am sure must have since are full of praise. Are happy with special teams this year as a whole? I am assuming your history lesson is fantastic for history class but let's gtlet this straight. We are playing in 2025 and the playoff results of 2024 carried forward.

Thanks for coming out into the discussion though.
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You claimed this has been a problem through multiple coaches, and Keefe. It hasn't been. They've been a good squad on the PP, in the regular season. Is the PP in the playoffs anything more than a decline in their overall compete in the playoffs, or a symptom of the PP itself? Impossible to know.

If you want to focus on just 2025, why mention that this team has historically had a PP issue, through multiple coaches.... it really must get exhausting trying to follow your own line of arguments?

Nobody likes the results of the playoffs, nobody....

You want a new PP coach... who is available?
 
ULF_55 said:
My guess you are correct.
It is hard to believe that but ...

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They defer to him, and rely on him too much. It's like they expect him to carry the day, and it's clear to see. The PP without him played very well. He comes back, it drops again. It's just a different kind of effort out there when he is in, and out of the lineup.

Send him to Vancouver with Mo... for Hughes and one of the C's.... There is a blockbuster shakeup. :laugh:
 
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Fogelhund said:
They defer to him, and rely on him too much. It's like they expect him to carry the day, and it's clear to see. The PP without him played very well. He comes back, it drops again. It's just a different kind of effort out there when he is in, and out of the lineup.

Send him to Vancouver with Mo... for Hughes and one of the C's.... There is a blockbuster shakeup. :laugh:
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Fantasy trades are great.

I do think Matthews for Hughes might be a fair trade that would never happen.

Now of course the difficult part would be, what do you add to the $6mm in savings to find a center?

Leafs could start next year without a 1st. and 2nd. line capable center.

As it is, Leafs could be forced to re-sign Tavares on his terms as they have no center depth, and their prospects project to 3rd. liners if everything works.

Next year RD ... 35 year old Tanev and 34 year old Ekman-Larsson in the top 4.

The future is now, saving picks and prospects for 3-4 years down the road when their core is on the decline might be a strategy but that didn't land them the current core. Rielly 5th., Nylander 8th., marner 4th., Matthews 1st. were not because they saved their picks and prospects it is because the bottomed out.

Whatever, just thinking on the keyboard, not providing solutions. That's the Leafs managements job.
 
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All Mod Cons said:
What would an acceptable return for Vancouver be, in a Pettersson trade? This will require an unbelievable amount of creativity.
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Yeah, can't make the Cap work, unless it was something like Tavares/marner going the other way with a sign and trade scenario.

Tavares ++
marner ~ Pettersson (who I think is a swing for the fences, could be a long fly out.)
 
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ULF_55 said:
Fantasy trades are great.

I do think Matthews for Hughes might be a fair trade that would never happen.

Now of course the difficult part would be, what do you add to the $6mm in savings to find a center?

Leafs could start next year without a 1st. and 2nd. line capable center.

As it is, Leafs could be forced to re-sign Tavares on his terms as they have no center depth, and their prospects project to 3rd. liners if everything works.

Next year RD ... 35 year old Tanev and 34 year old Ekman-Larsson in the top 4.

The future is now, saving picks and prospects for 3-4 years down the road when their core is on the decline might be a strategy but that didn't land them the current core. Rielly 5th., Nylander 8th., marner 4th., Matthews 1st. were not because they saved their picks and prospects it is because the bottomed out.

Whatever, just thinking on the keyboard, not providing solutions. That's the Leafs managements job.
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Agreed fully in where to prioritize. If the core flop, the team will be rebuilding by 2029/2030 anyways. Trade every pick until then if they have to.

If Tre opts to make a bigger move, I think it'll be for a 2C by the draft.

In the meantime I think he'll go the more conservative 2nd + B prospect for best rental 3c he can get + a 3rd for a depth D man like the type he acquired last year (physical vets)
 
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LeafSteel said:
Agree with everything here.

Ideally Treliving could have landed both Tanev and Roy instead of extending Liljegren and signing Hakanpaa.

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Roy
OEL-Timmins/Myer

That would have been an excellent defensive set.

As for this TDL, I disagree with the empty the cupboards/ swing for the fences. We have specific needs and are a team playing well.

We don’t need to stage the biggest, sexiest names to get better now.

We need 2RHD. Someone like Murphy will absolutely make us better and won’t strip us.

We need 2C/3C. Someone like Ryan Donato, Morgan Frost, Kunin, Krebs makes us better and won’t strip us.

Treliving has done well signing guys like Lorentz, Stolarz, and Tanev for nothing but money, and he’s made the team better.

Would it have been nice to snag Rantanan? Of course but it’s not realistic without Marner going the other way and this team needs to move away from paying for players set to be become UFA’s.

We need younger guys with term that have room to grow here.

As long as Treliving adds some value pieces that makes us better, I doubt consider the TDL “underwhelming”, and we don’t need league shattering moves.

We need smart, calculated moves that makes us better now, doesn’t cripple us for the future, gives us pieces that can be a part of the long term, and helps trim the fat off the roster for some of Treliving’s misses like Reaves.

Will it be easy? If it was easy, it would have been done already, but I have a lot more confidence in Treliving than I ever than I ever had in Doogas Howser.

Interested to see what Treliving can shake free and add by the TDL, and not expecting anything huge.

We have in place the personnel to go deeper than we have. Onus is on them to be better and get it done.

They’ve done nothing to merit making future crippling moves to try to win now because they have yet to show they can get it done. They need to add quality with term now and if they fail again, there has to be change.
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If Roy don't want to sign unstead of being overpay, what you doing? get someone who can fit and bring something you need and its what tre did with OEL.

Personally i not a fan of Krebs, i dont know what he would bring more than robertson...

And you can't leavong in the past reacting in fonction of what happening previously, you've got a chance, you take it if you're able to get the right fit at the right price. That's it.

I liked Kunin as a cheap player option
 
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Rare Jewel said:
In theory, it seemed alright. He was a really skilled PP guy himself.

To be frank, though. I didn't really like the idea of Berube becoming the coach, but here we are, see how it goes.
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If we could go back in time to before the Cooke hit and before Savard tried to film a DIY Supersize Me sequel maybe there’s something there. Calgary fans warned us. I appreciate that the PP has had long streaks of being bad before Savard, but at least it would have high end streaks of saving our asses to compensate. This one is all bad with maybe 2-3 game flashes of being slightly above mediocre.
 
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Martin Skoula said:
If we could go back in time to before the Cooke hit and before Savard tried to film a DIY Supersize Me sequel maybe there’s something there. Calgary fans warned us. I appreciate that the PP has had long streaks of being bad before Savard, but at least it would have high end streaks of saving our asses to compensate. This one is all bad with maybe 2-3 game flashes of being slightly above mediocre.
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So, who are we bringing in?
 
Rare Jewel said:
Looks good. However, when I think of Nick Robertson, I don't know if Vegas is a team that would covet him.

Would you make this move with Minten instead?
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....begrudgingly, yes.

It's probably more to do with considering our poor centre depth than anything, I think Korczak's upside at #4 D is more valuable vs a 3-4C
 
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