Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

Truly cursed with nothing to do. Might as well sell it all off. Fire everyone. Maybe sell the team.

No. Bench Rielly.

That's the first thing to do. Pull that A off his freaking jersey after the next shit game. He needs 2 week conditioning. He moves like he is 20lbs over weight.

Coach is a wimp. Morgan has deserved to be benched multiple freaking times this year.

I am trying to be real with you here. Selling the team and that is not discussion man. Come on
 
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A #3C will help but that hole is pretty big. As many have asked, who is our Nick Paul that can score you two goals in a game #7? This team as a whole can't score two goals in a game #7.

Lots of smoke around Gourde and B Tanev. They would definitely help.
McMann is potentially the Nick Paul. I’m much much concerned about who fills the role of Kucherov, Point and Cirelli.
 
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No. Bench Rielly.

That's the first thing to do. Pull that A off his freaking jersey after the next shit game. He needs 2 week conditioning. He moves like he is 20lbs over weight.

Coach is a wimp. Morgan has deserved to be benched multiple freaking times this year.

Sheesh Chief has a lot of work to do. Who knew the top team in the Atlantic were that bad
 
Sheesh Chief has a lot of work to do. Who knew the top team in the Atlantic were that bad
It's not good enough to win. He is losing this team. I have seen this before and it's all the same. You're gonna be a first round flop if he doesn't act fast and pull them back.

1st is not good enough. Playing the right way is more important. It's a clown show out there.
 
Maybe but it's a competent blue line. I would agree they could use a dynamic RHD upgrade but depth wise and quality wise it's alright. The Hakanpaa gamble was a bad one
Is it?

I think they need a guy who's either clearly between that vet group and Benoit and Timmins, or someone who's just better than the vets. The latter is probably not likely given what they have to spend, but I'd like to see an addition there.

Nemec in NJ someone though is someone I wouldn't mind moving one the higher end prospects and/or even next years 1st.
 
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Is it?

I think they need a guy who's either clearly between that vet group and Benoit and Timmins, or someone who's just better than the vets. The latter is probably not likely given what they have to spend, but I'd like to see an addition there.

Nemec in NJ someone though is someone I wouldn't mind moving one the higher end prospects and/or even next years 1st.

What they actually need is a Defender that can move the puck with a quickness and creativity to help fix the PP that if doesn't get fixed will result in a first round exit.

To do that, first you need to break the bond of entitlement that Morgan has on the PP undeservingly so.
 
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Is it?

I think they need a guy who's either clearly between that vet group and Benoit and Timmins, or someone who's just better than the vets. The latter is probably not likely given what they have to spend, but I'd like to see an addition there.

Nemec in NJ someone though is someone I wouldn't mind moving one the higher end prospects and/or even next years 1st.

Yeah? Despite all the injuries pretty sure we are in the top half of goals against and defensive metrics.

Nemec can't keep a roster spot on New Jersey. Not sure why he'd have one here. Certainly not a vet or shown to be better than our options. Doesn't really help this season.

But I would be fine with chasing a good upgrade like Walman from the Sharks or someone that can be dynamic offensively.
 
No. Bench Rielly.

That's the first thing to do. Pull that A off his freaking jersey after the next shit game. He needs 2 week conditioning. He moves like he is 20lbs over weight.

Coach is a wimp. Morgan has deserved to be benched multiple freaking times this year.

I am trying to be real with you here. Selling the team and that is not discussion man. Come on
I get the frustration with him, but he needs to play. Not many players get out of slumps or poor form by not playing.
 
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Really dont mind Kunin being the add up front. I'd prefer the same level of guy that's a pure/true C, but at the end of the day what we need is someone that
-is defensively competent
-brings some secondary scoring
-brings a playoff type game to give the 3rd line an identity

He chrcks those boxes, despite not being a high profile move
 
I get the frustration with him, but he needs to play. Not many players get out of slumps or poor form by not playing.
Jewel, it's not a slump that the problem. It's a message time. If we don't get that PP into the top 5 of the league forget about a deep run. We need a team that can hit streaks of PPing at 30-40%. Our team is murdered on calls every post season for whatever reasons. Top 5 PP and PK is mandatory to our success.

Forget all this plugging little holes nonsense. They can shift some deck chairs and get that done. They need key components playing the best they can in the key areas and right away. How can you do that? Disrupt the complacent play of the PP for 1. Rielly is the obvious target for that. He needs to be shown he has to be better. He is an A on this team playing like that all season? How can that be left to stand.

Again accountability issues.
 
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Yeah? Despite all the injuries pretty sure we are in the top half of goals against and defensive metrics.

Nemec can't keep a roster spot on New Jersey. Not sure why he'd have one here. Certainly not a vet or shown to be better than our options. Doesn't really help this season.
Well, in NJ he's got a lot stiffer competition for a RD spot than he would here.


As for, defensive numbers, it sure seems like they give up more shots and chances then before. Most of that is down to system changes where protecting the net front is the MO rather than man to man pressure like before. Which is part of reason Rielly is struggling this year.
 
Safe to say that a Team that struggles a bit with offense from the back end isn't going to bench their best offensive defenseman.

He sucks. He could be replaced by OEL on the PP and improve the team.

At this rate someone like ODog is going to touch on this stuff soon and be relentless. Like it or not, what I have said this morning is factual and the reason we don't progress.
 
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Petrielli on the reasons for Morgan Rielly’s down season offensively:

The Leafs, in general, are creating way less off the rush.

That is the best part of Rielly’s game: activating as a fourth forward as the far-side guy. If you look back to his most recent goal — the OT winner against Philadelphia — it came at three-on-three, but it was a good shot by him. He doesn’t own a good point shot, but he does have a good wrister from inside the top of the circle off the rush. If he winds it up, it is a problem. We saw it on the Flyers goal. He got inside the hashmark and easily ripped it by the goalie. He looked like a forward scoring the goal.

Those opportunities are not nearly as plentiful. We still see some decent things in terms of Rielly passing the puck up the ice, but the Leafs aren’t generating many opportunities where the defensemen are actively going down the ice and joining the attack straight up.

Some sort of breakdown would have to happen with the way the Leafs play it systemically. They want to chip pucks off the wall, have wingers slash across, and get pucks in deep. The adjustment will need to be to create offense from within the half-court, where you are in the offensive zone with everyone set.

Rielly can do it. When he had a great series against Tampa — as a micro-example — there were a bunch of plays where he was getting shots through traffic. It is not that he is incapable of doing it. He was sifting writers through that were either goals for himself — including an OT winner — or were tipped or deflected. He has some ability to do it.

This is a bit more of a “new normal” for him. This is the way they want him to play and generate offense. You see Berube trying to give him a few more opportunities to push him to join the rush. You are seeing more examples where Marner will pull up high and Rielly will be almost at the net sometimes. He is actively pushing down and trying to get more involved that way.

This is Rielly’s first new coach in five years. Sheldon Keefe didn’t rewrite the book from Mike Babcock on the ice — he did off the ice — in that it wasn’t a drastic shift in play. This is Rielly’s first time with a new system, of sorts, in 10 years. He is struggling to adjust to it.

You have to sit back sometimes and remember, “We are 50 games in.” It is a lot of time in one sense, but at the same time, it is not a lot. You’d like to imagine some of these guys will dial it up for the stretch drive. There is still a ton of time for him to adjust.

But he is playing at a 36-point pace, which is just not good enough.
 
Jewel, it's not a slump that the problem. It's a message time. If we don't get that PP into the top 5 of the league forget about a deep run. We need a team that can hit streaks of PPing at 30-40%. Our team is murdered on calls every post season for whatever reasons. Top 5 PP and PK is mandatory to our success.
I don't disagree that the PP needs to shape up, but that's on Savard just as much. Those guys have worked on PP before.

But you'll never see the best of Rielly again if you take these things away from him. That $7.5m cap isn't there for open ice hits and fighting. So you can take the cookies away sometimes, as they do, but he still needs get those opportunities or else you'll never see the value for that cap hit, or even as someone that could be possibly moved.
 


Petrielli on the reasons for Morgan Rielly’s down season offensively:
I didn't see that. Any real analyst or hockey guy can see the writing on the wall. The articles and criticisms are going to hit the waves before the trade deadline. From here on out.

I don't disagree that the PP needs to shape up, but that's on Savard just as much. Those guys have worked on PP before.

But you'll never see the best of Rielly again if you take these things away from him. That $7.5m cap isn't there for open ice hits and fighting. So you can take the cookies away sometimes, as they do, but he still needs get those opportunities or else you'll never see the value for that cap hit, or even as someone that could be possibly moved.
How many PP coaches do you need to make them do something different? They aren't changing anything from all the way back with Keefe.

Ineffective is ineffective. Again where is the accountability
 
I didn't see that. Any real analyst or hockey guy can see the writing on the wall. The articles and criticisms are going to hit the waves before the trade deadline. From here on out.


How many PP coaches do you need to make them do something different? They aren't changing anything from all the way back with Keefe.

Ineffective is ineffective. Again where is the accountability

PP 23-24 7th best in league
22-23 2nd best in league
21-22 best in league

Yup... this is a PP that has really sucked... like terrible. 3rd best in the league over that three year period... tops in the league just a couple of seasons ago. The PP has been anything but ineffective.. it's tops in the league regularly. This narrative that there isn't accountability, and that multiple PP coaches suck and didn't get anything out of them is just wrong. Same group of players...including Rielly making it a top PP unit.

Sure, they are massively underperforming now, but to ignore that the same players were one of the best in the league for an extended period of time, is willful ignorance.

It needs to get fixed, but this sky is falling, and the world has always sucked routine is sad.
 
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PP 23-24 7th best in league
22-23 2nd best in league
21-22 best in league

Yup... this is a PP that has really sucked... like terrible. 3rd best in the league over that three year period... tops in the league just a couple of seasons ago. The PP has been anything but ineffective.. it's tops in the league regularly. This narrative that there isn't accountability, and that multiple PP coaches suck and didn't get anything out of them is just wrong. Same group of players...including Rielly making it a top PP unit.

Sure, they are massively underperforming now, but to ignore that the same players were one of the best in the league for an extended period of time, is willful ignorance.

It needs to get fixed, but this sky is falling, and the world has always sucked routine is sad.
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Internal cao structure wise marner should be 1-2% higher of the cap than Nylander

External cap structure he should be 1-2% lower than rantanen and pastranak

We haven't traded nylander, so marner will use that as his main comparable

MLSE/Shanny/Treliving all seem content with the core so likely 14% of the cap for marner which is ~13M x 8.

I would not sign him to that but that is what I expect he gets assuming nothing changes from now to July 1st from MLSE/Shanny/Treliving POV


Major risks are Ehlers and Boesors are two glass man players

Injury concerns would be high for those two

Wonder if playing in the East would work out better for them, the West can be nuts.
 
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Internal cao structure wise marner should be 1-2% higher of the cap than Nylander

External cap structure he should be 1-2% lower than rantanen and pastranak

We haven't traded nylander, so marner will use that as his main comparable

MLSE/Shanny/Treliving all seem content with the core so likely 14% of the cap for marner which is ~13M x 8.

I would not sign him to that but that is what I expect he gets assuming nothing changes from now to July 1st from MLSE/Shanny/Treliving POV


Major risks are Ehlers and Boesors are two glass man players

Injury concerns would be high for those two
If they were told to avoid contact like the plague, they would never get hurt, unless they got a migrane, a sprained ankle doing a triple lutz or a tummy ache after eating a McPapi.
 
How many PP coaches do you need to make them do something different? They aren't changing anything from all the way back with Keefe.

Ineffective is ineffective. Again where is the accountability
Your concerns for the PP this season are valid, but the pieces are there to make it work. And I've seen Rielly being swapped out for OEL many times this year, so it's not as much of an accountability issue, either IMO.

Savard has to get more out of them and figure it out. The only thing that sticks out thing that is not really controllable is Matthews' injury, which is likely a wrist issue, as there seems to be far fewer one-timer goals this season certainly compared to last.
 
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I'll settle for a top 9 guy who's a gives better chance to score when either of the top two lines aren't on.


They'll never go for him, but when I see Daniel Sprong who's kind of famously has one of the best point/60 the last few years, being thrown around for late picks or on waivers, i do think "he can't hurt can he?" But supposedly he can't check his hat, so that's a no go for CB.

Drew O'Connor from Pit would be interesting option as well.
Need better then both Sprong (there's something up with him)& O'Connor. Preferably someone incase of injury to Matthews or Tavares can step in and play 2C and not look awful like Holmberg/Kampf.

On the conventional side, assuming Toronto isn't going to trade 1sts + bluechip prospects for rentals and will be in the market for the 2nd tier centerman... Kunin, Donato, Granlund, Evans seem like those will be the types of guys Toronto goes after.


Side Note: Joel Farabee is someone I think Toronto should be targetting, 24 years old, 3 years remaining on a 5 million cap hit, having a down year, on pace for 33 points only, but prior to this year, he was trending upward on points & goals and had 50 points last year. I think he can be someone that plays 3C for the time being and be able to swap with Tavares to the 2nd line C later on.
 
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Really dont mind Kunin being the add up front. I'd prefer the same level of guy that's a pure/true C, but at the end of the day what we need is someone that
-is defensively competent
-brings some secondary scoring
-brings a playoff type game to give the 3rd line an identity

He chrcks those boxes, despite not being a high profile move

This is an interesting name because I feel like there would be some polarizing views.
He's someone that has played in the league for awhile but only in the western conference.
I brought up our pro scouting the other day and that I think it's been a real weakness for awhile and this is the type of player that I bet there's some variance of opinion in just how good he is or isn't.
 

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