Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[BertCorbeau]

Parssinen might be a nice 4th line C grab with some upside?

 

[SprDaVE]

I doesn't talk about 2 game and i was a pro Woll last year but since his injury, he was not the same. Since he came back of injury, his sv % was at 0,892 % with 4 win 6 lost and was struggling very hard...Its not 2 game who erase 2 month of bad play.

In playoff who should go with the goalir who giving most confidence and it was clearly not Woll.

Going into the playoffs Woll was clearly better, that's just the bottom line. But if you thought Samsonov was better and deserved the net, then it's agree to disagree. Stastically speaking, Woll was better and quite frankly, in hindsight, he was clearly better.

 

[Kiwi]

Parssinen might be a nice 4th line C grab with some upside?

I'd be willing to give him a try but we really do need to rid ourselves of Kampf and his contract if we're going to start auditioning replacements

 

[thusk]

Going into the playoffs Woll was clearly better, that's just the bottom line. But if you thought Samsonov was better and deserved the net, then it's agree to disagree. Stastically speaking, Woll was better and quite frankly, in hindsight, he was clearly better.

since the moment Woll came back of injury until playoff

samsonov sv 0,911% 9W 2L 2 OT
vs
Woll 0,892 4 W 6 L

so you tell me going into playoff Woll was better?!?!?! Stastically speaking Samsonov was far away in front of Woll and it was not even close, sorry. The choice of starting goalie was already made before thry even play that 2 last game you're talking about.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Trade Rielly for him then?

In a heartbeat

 

[Knies iT]

Parssinen is interesting. Only 23 and a big bodied C averaging close to 2 hits per game. Had a strong rookie season over .5PPG, + IQ, and a worker bee.

Struggling with confidence issues in NSH but his deployment has been inconsistent and Trotz has been making some questionable moves of late. Don't love his foot speed but there's some untapped offensive skill there.

Could be a cheaper buy-low option and Minten contingency plan who in the short-term can hold down the 4C role.

 

[Stephen]

Going into the playoffs Woll was clearly better, that's just the bottom line. But if you thought Samsonov was better and deserved the net, then it's agree to disagree. Stastically speaking, Woll was better and quite frankly, in hindsight, he was clearly better.

I don't remember Woll having a great run down the stretch. In his last 9 regular season outings he was sub .900 save percentage for 5 of them, won only 3 games... although putting trust in Samsonov at the time was not the most comfortable feeling at the time and in hindsight an awful decision.

 

[Menzinger]

I really hated how ROR completely snubbed the Leafs to go hide in Tennessee. I wouldn't pay a single asset to trade for him. He wanted this, he got it. I want players that wanna be here.

Ryan Strome would love to be here.

ROR had his chance to extend and snubbed the team. Let him live with his choice and miss the playoffs for the remainder of his current deal as they slide into rebuild mode.

He couldn't deal with the media pressure regardless

 

[Americanadian]

He wasn't. He was injured for a large part of the season and Keefe wanted to go with the veteran that was hot for awhile during the season, which was a big time mistake. Woll should have started game 1 and beyond. Ullmark was also confused for that reason.

The point is that it's a fairly untested tandem that are playing very well. They have shown to be injured a lot as well. So it's about taking your time with 2 good assets. Adding a center is nice but it's just too risky when they can easily add a player without removing from their goaltending.

Also, I would make the counterpoint the Leafs should sell high on Stolarz and keep the younger goaltender signed longer term. Either way, this is all moot because they aren't gonna do that in season. They signed Stolarz to tandem with Woll (signed in the off-season as well) for a reason, not because they wanted to trade one 3-6 months into the season

The Leafs don’t have a ton of assets to add a good C, especially a young C, unless they dip into future 1st round picks or use Cowan.

Do you think Stolarz would hold nearly as much value as Woll? I don’t see why the older goalie with less term would command nearly as much (look at what Ullmark got in return).

The Leafs are in a rare situation where the younger, worse (has been worse than Stolarz since he entered the league) and more expensive goalie (looking forward to next year) probably has more trade value.

 

[Menzinger]

It's not as if I'm suggesting dumping him. I'm suggesting moving off him for a young NHL C who can fill in at 3C and grow into the 2C role. The Leafs have a bigger need at C than in net.

But here's the thing, the Leafs also haven't had reliable goaltending in net during round 1 since Eddie Belfour 20+ years ago. Stolarz has been amazing but he also hasn't earned the trust to be a full blown starter

They've got picks and prospects that can be used to get that much needed centre.

 

[Americanadian]

But here's the thing, the Leafs also haven't had reliable goaltending in net during round 1 since Eddie Belfour 20+ years ago. Stolarz has been amazing but he also hasn't earned the trust to be a full blown starter

They've got picks and prospects that can be used to get that much needed centre.

Is Woll the reliable goalie? Where was he in game 7?

Do the Leafs have picks and prospects? They have a 25 2nd, 26 1st, Cowan, Minten and Danford. Would you rather they deal one of Cowan/Minten/Danford over Woll? Do any of those players or a 2026 1st get you a young C like Sillinger? (Sillinger is my pick because there’s a strong fit where CBJ has too many young C’s and badly needs a G).

 

[SprDaVE]

The Leafs don’t have a ton of assets to add a good C, especially a young C, unless they dip into future 1st round picks or use Cowan.

Do you think Stolarz would hold nearly as much value as Woll? I don’t see why the older goalie with less term would command nearly as much (look at what Ullmark got in return).

The Leafs are in a rare situation where the younger, worse (has been worse than Stolarz since he entered the league) and more expensive goalie (looking forward to next year) probably has more trade value.

I think I'd rather keep Woll and Stolarz then to create a bigger issue in the short-term. So while Stolarz probably has less value, I'd still rather sell high on him then to give up Woll who is locked up for awhile and on track to become a very good goaltender if I'm to decide who to pick. Generally speaking, goaltenders don't hold a lot of trade value anyway.

I just don't see it or understand it to be completely honest.

 

[SprDaVE]

since the moment Woll came back of injury until playoff

samsonov sv 0,911% 9W 2L 2 OT
vs
Woll 0,892 4 W 6 L

so you tell me going into playoff Woll was better?!?!?! Stastically speaking Samsonov was far away in front of Woll and it was not even close, sorry. The choice of starting goalie was already made before thry even play that 2 last game you're talking about.

I do think he was better, I said it at the time he should be starting. He got the tougher matches when he came back from injury, playing in all the 2nd of back to backs, and also was better in the few weeks going into the playoffs. Samsonov played 3 playoff teams since March 1st, Woll played 5 playoff teams.

So it was an easy decision for me. I understand why Keefe did it but it was the wrong choice quite clearly. Its more than 2 games.

 

[Americanadian]

I think I'd rather keep Woll and Stolarz then to create a bigger issue in the short-term. So while Stolarz probably has less value, I'd still rather sell high on him then to give up Woll who is locked up for awhile and on track to become a very good goaltender if I'm to decide who to pick. Generally speaking, goaltenders don't hold a lot of trade value anyway.

I just don't see it or understand it to be completely honest.

What is the expectation for “very good”?

He’s been excellent this year but his track record isn’t exactly elite. A decent comparable is Connor Ingram (except he broke out in the AHL at 21, not 24). Ingram was on waivers 2 years ago and people in here are acting like Woll is untouchable. Ingram put up a .907 in 27 games in his first full season at 25, same age as Woll last year when he put a .907 in 25 games.

Coincidentally they both played 4 playoff games in their age 24 season before becoming full time nhlers - Woll posted a .915, Ingram a .913 (before he was waived).

 

[SprDaVE]

What is the expectation for “very good”?

He’s been excellent this year but his track record isn’t exactly elite. A decent comparable is Connor Ingram (except he broke out in the AHL at 21, not 24). Ingram was on waivers 2 years ago and people in here are acting like Woll is untouchable. Ingram put up a .907 in 27 games in his first full season at 25, same age as Woll last year when he put a .907 in 25 games.

Comparing him to the worst version he can be is one way of looking at it. He could also become a better version of a 25-26 years old goaltender, where there's a long list Im sure. Take your pick. It's not black and white or linear for everyone.

Woll has been very good since he's been with the Leafs. He started his pro career later than a CHLer because of the NCAA program. He's a career .914 right now, something Ingram never accomplished in the NHL. That's not easy to do even by 26 years old and I'd say that's very good considering goaltenders can be very hit or miss. He's been consistent season to season, when healthy.

He could regress into an average to bad goaltender. No indication of that happening. If anything he keeps improving to me.

 

[Stephen]

What is the expectation for “very good”?

He’s been excellent this year but his track record isn’t exactly elite. A decent comparable is Connor Ingram (except he broke out in the AHL at 21, not 24). Ingram was on waivers 2 years ago and people in here are acting like Woll is untouchable. Ingram put up a .907 in 27 games in his first full season at 25, same age as Woll last year when he put a .907 in 25 games.

Coincidentally they both played 4 playoff games in their age 24 season before becoming full time nhlers - Woll posted a .915, Ingram a .913 (before he was waived).

Woll is still building his track record but for me, it will take more reps and health to trust him a little more. I don't trust a guy who was just unavailable like that for game 7 and then the start of the year to just declare him our Jake Oettinger.

With Stolarz, there's an aura about him that's hard to ignore and move off of. I would use this year and next to form an opinion, and would ideally have enough to decide if he's worth committing long term to. What if he was a late bloomer a la Tim Thomas? You can't dismiss that possibility outright.

 

[Menzinger]

Is Woll the reliable goalie? Where was he in game 7?

Do the Leafs have picks and prospects? They have a 25 2nd, 26 1st, Cowan, Minten and Danford. Would you rather they deal one of Cowan/Minten/Danford over Woll? Do any of those players or a 2026 1st get you a young C like Sillinger? (Sillinger is my pick because there’s a strong fit where CBJ has too many young C’s and badly needs a G).

The Leafs traded a 1st and 2nd for ror with 50% retention. Likely only costs a single pick to get him at full cap in the same scenario. They also don't necessarily have to target a guy with the same level of name/reputation.

Few teams have to trade their top prospect (Cowan) for a rental either. Though I wouldn't care if they traded a guy like Danford though.

If you trade Woll, you're relying on Murray and Hildeby (who currently as a sub .900 sv% in the AHL) to fill the depth

 

[thusk]

I do think he was better, I said it at the time. He got the tougher matches when he came back from injury, playing in all the 2nd of back to backs, and also was better in the few weeks going into the playoffs. Samsonov played 3 playoff teams since March 1st, Woll played 5 playoff teams.

So it was an easy decision for me. I understand why Keefe did it but it was the wrong choice quite clearly. Its more than 2 games.

game on back to back was basically their best game...

Considerating leafs playing dump against bad team and pretty well against good team in regular season, honestly not sure if it was really a disadvantage to play those game...

I'm not at all samsonov fan or keefe fan, i never thinking leafs could made a long run with Samsonov in net but just thinking Woll playing well and was looking better after he came back of his injury, sorry you didn't watch any of those game.

I was pro Woll and i said before start of last season than the only way for leafs to make a run in playoff was Woll but he was so bad after his injury ( not even close of actual Woll or or playoff Woll or Woll before injury) than it was almost impossible to start the playoff with him...

 

[LeafEgo]

since the moment Woll came back of injury until playoff

samsonov sv 0,911% 9W 2L 2 OT
vs
Woll 0,892 4 W 6 L

so you tell me going into playoff Woll was better?!?!?! Stastically speaking Samsonov was far away in front of Woll and it was not even close, sorry. The choice of starting goalie was already made before thry even play that 2 last game you're talking about.

I floated the idea of moving Sammy at the deadline and going with Woll/Jones, partly out of nervousness that Keefe might roll with Sammy. The first gut punch was Sammy starting game 1, and the second was seeing Sammy during warm ups for game 7. It felt like watching the whole thing play out months in advance.

With that experience, there's pretty much no stats under the sun that would lead me to believe Keefe didn't make a fatal error last year.

At any rate, neither Woll or Stoly are getting moved. They have exactly what they wanted right now and that was well planned and executed. Woll is a .933/1.78 playoff goalie with a history of clutch gaming at 767k. We should be hoping things hold, not trying to destroy it ourselves.

 

[Americanadian]

If you trade Woll, you're relying on Murray and Hildeby (who currently as a sub .900 sv% in the AHL) to fill the depth

You’d be relying on Murray as the back up. I don’t think that’s a terrible option. Samsonov had the highest win% in the league last year with a .890 sv% - this team can win despite the goalie in the regular season.

The Leafs traded a 1st and 2nd for ror with 50% retention. Likely only costs a single pick to get him at full cap in the same scenario. They also don't necessarily have to target a guy with the same level of name/reputation.

Few teams have to trade their top prospect (Cowan) for a rental either. Though I wouldn't care if they traded a guy like Danford though.

ROR most likely isn’t coming back here although I agree the cost would probably be the Leafs next 1st+2nd. Players like Cowan aren’t dealt for rentals but the Leafs also shouldn’t be shopping for rentals - none of the rental options are going to improve this teams scoring from the 3rd line. They need actual good players and ideally players with term that can supplant Tavares as 2C moving forward.

 

[Americanadian]

Comparing him to the worst version he can be is one way of looking at it. He could also become a better version of a 25-26 years old goaltender, where there's a long list Im sure. Take your pick. It's not black and white or linear for everyone.

Woll has been very good since he's been with the Leafs. He started his pro career later than a CHLer because of the NCAA program. He's a career .914 right now, something Ingram never accomplished in the NHL. That's not easy to do even by 26 years old and I'd say that's very good considering goaltenders can be very hit or miss. He's been consistent season to season, when healthy.

He could regress into an average to bad goaltender. No indication of that happening. If anything he keeps improving to me.

His career sv% is very good and it’s anchored by an awesome start to this season. On the other hand - Ingram played 50 games in the NHL last season, something Will has never accomplished in any league.

Prior to this season they had almost identical GSAx/60 over their careers.

Both are very good goalies. The difference is one has been waived, the other is “untouchable”.

 

[Kurtz]

We're obviously not trading Wall this season; it's odd how much ink has been spilled on that silly suggestion.

 

[thusk]

I floated the idea of moving Sammy at the deadline and going with Woll/Jones, partly out of nervousness that Keefe might roll with Sammy. The first gut punch was Sammy starting game 1, and the second was seeing Sammy during warm ups for game 7. It felt like watching the whole thing play out months in advance.

With that experience, there's pretty much no stats under the sun that would lead me to believe Keefe didn't make a fatal error last year.

At any rate, neither Woll or Stoly are getting moved. They have exactly what they wanted right now and that was well planned and executed. Woll is a .933/1.78 playoff goalie with a history of clutch gaming at 767k. We should be hoping things hold, not trying to destroy it ourselves.

start with the cold goalie, wich message that send to the rest of the team if it completly failed? If cold goalie doesn't get the job done, you're just scrap confidence of your second goalie who had been by far better for no reason.

Its extremely easy to say it after thing happening but honestly if the Woll we saw last 2 month before playoff would be the same in playoff, the result would be even worst than what Samsonov did.

Samsonov was not necessairly the best option but rhe less risky one..

 

[Americanadian]

Woll is a .933/1.78 playoff goalie with a history of clutch gaming at 767k. We should be hoping things hold, not trying to destroy it ourselves.

Best playoff numbers in the NHL but no series wins.

 

[Kiwi]

Best playoff numbers in the NHL but no series wins.

He isn't the guy supposed to put the puck in the opposition net, that's also useful to winning

Is Woll the reliable goalie? Where was he in game 7?

Do the Leafs have picks and prospects? They have a 25 2nd, 26 1st, Cowan, Minten and Danford. Would you rather they deal one of Cowan/Minten/Danford over Woll? Do any of those players or a 2026 1st get you a young C like Sillinger? (Sillinger is my pick because there’s a strong fit where CBJ has too many young C’s and badly needs a G).

Game 7? It was 1v1 game in OT and we had a defensive breakdown that Boston scored from

Your insane if you're blaming that loss on goaltending