Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[jaric1862]

Mirtle listed a few center options the Leafs are likely looking at with pro's and con's.

2-way options - Gourde, Frederic, Faksa, Kuraly
higher end options - Nelson, Bjugstad, Granlund
Alumni corner - O'Reilly, Kadri (not happening)

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5933180/2024/11/20/maple-leafs-trade-targets-centre/

Jake Evans should be on that list

 

[Menzinger]

Mirtle listed a few center options the Leafs are likely looking at with pro's and con's.

2-way options - Gourde, Frederic, Faksa, Kuraly
higher end options - Nelson, Bjugstad, Granlund
Alumni corner - O'Reilly, Kadri (not happening)

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5933180/2024/11/20/maple-leafs-trade-targets-centre/

Bugstad fits well with Tres preference for guys

 

[thusk]

Maybe part of it, but the Leafs have also been quite liberal at using third teams to facilitate retention in the past

Mirtle and others in n the media have also talked about Tre and Flames ownership parting on bad terms.

I'll be genuinely surprised if we see a Leafs Flames trade in the next couple seasons that doesn't disproportionately favor the Flames (so likely not going to happen imo)

At the end of the day, any GM will take the best offer whatever who they are for rental player.

 

[ULF_55]

At the end of the day, any GM will take the best offer whatever who they are for rental player.

If he has the authority to do so.

Flames management had tight control of what Treliving could do, and they hired a GM in training as Treliving's replacement. A company man.

 

[Menzinger]

At the end of the day, any GM will take the best offer whatever who they are for rental player.

Disagree. Interpersonal relationships matter a huge amount, especially in a league like the NHL.

And there's plenty of cases of ownership interfering in GM decisions

 

[Fogelhund]

Bugstad fits well with Tres preference for guys

I'd think the 3C position is something that should be filled sooner, rather than later. I suppose we wait a few games and see if Minten can steal it... but if he's not ready, then maybe make a move shortly after. Would Utah be ready to throw in the towel already if we wanted to make a move before the new year?

The reason I suggest that, is perhaps some of the wingers can get going, with a different C, and we have to worry less about a replacement there.

 

[thusk]

Disagree. Interpersonal relationships matter a huge amount, especially in a league like the NHL.

And there's plenty of cases of ownership interfering in GM decisions

Not when your sale rental player from a team who going nowhere and would lose them at the end of the year. The only area gm can really interfering is about retention if they dont want to pay for i
this

 

[LeafParade]

Philly actually have a couple forwards not playing well in comparison to last year. Frost who is getting scratched and Foerster who is down on the 4th line and not scoring like last year.

I would be open to playing musical chairs and swapping out the underperformers like Robertson from the Leafs in return for their underperformers.

 

[thusk]

I'd think the 3C position is something that should be filled sooner, rather than later. I suppose we wait a few games and see if Minten can steal it... but if he's not ready, then maybe make a move shortly after. Would Utah be ready to throw in the towel already if we wanted to make a move before the new year?

The reason I suggest that, is perhaps some of the wingers can get going, with a different C, and we have to worry less about a replacement there.

If you want player right now, you're gonna to overpay them. That will start with a 1st pick or something similar and probably more to get a guy Bjusgtad right now

 

[ULF_55]

Not when your sale rental player from a team who going nowhere and would lose them at the end of the year. The only area gm can really interfering is about retention if they dont want to pay for i
this

So you don't know the Calgary market then.

 

[thusk]

So you don't know the Calgary market then.

In a business of selfish, what's the advantage for your team to take less for what at the end?!?!?

For sure they are some gm you have better relationship and whatever but taking the worst offer just by stubbornness. The only one you gonna hurt is yourself.

 

[Skullz]

Frederic is intriguing, especially if he would come with a reasonable contract extension. Likely too much though.

I would poke around on Morgan Frost. Worth a shot.

 

[ULF_55]

In a business of selfish, what's the advantage for your team to take less for what at the end?!?!?

For sure they are some gm you have better relationship and whatever but taking the worst offer just by stubbornness. The only one you gonna hurt is yourself.

Treliving couldn't even fire his coach.

The Flames traded their guys and no one really knows if they got the best deal.

They didn't even replace Treliving with an experienced GM.

We don't even know if they had a real GM search.

 

[thusk]

Treliving couldn't even fire his coach.

The Flames traded their guys and no one really knows if they got the best deal.

They didn't even replace Treliving with an experienced GM.

We don't even know if they had a real GM search.

I know for all this but we talk abou trading rental player and even before vancouver trad3 being annonce, we already kn9w calgary didn't want to retain any salary with any team. So no they certainly dont get the best offer for Zadorov because every team with no cap space couldn't make any deal for Zadorov.

 

[ULF_55]

I know for all this but we talk abou trading rental player and even before vancouver trad3 being annonce, we already kn9w calgary didn't want to retain any salary with any team. So no they certainly dont get the best offer for Zadorov because every team with no cap space couldn't make any deal for Zadorov.

Leafs have experience using 3rd. parties for retention.

Flames can claim it was because of retention, but that wouldn't have stopped the Leafs from paying a 3rd. team to take 2 months of retention.

 

[thusk]

Leafs have experience using 3rd. parties for retention.

Flames can claim it was because of retention, but that wouldn't have stopped the Leafs from paying a 3rd. team to take 2 months of retention.

Even with a 3rd team in thr mix, its to keep 50% of 50% remainong and leeafs would need both

 

[ER89]

frost for robertson there lose lose errr i mean win win

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Leafs have experience using 3rd. parties for retention.

Flames can claim it was because of retention, but that wouldn't have stopped the Leafs from paying a 3rd. team to take 2 months of retention.

yea the BoG there is very...involved let's say and gave less than ideal flexibility.

 

[TMLAM34]

I think it’s time to actually move on from Robertson.

 

[leafsfan5]

Really sucks we don't have our first this year, this is the type of team you go out and get a big fish for

Another ROR type trade and this team is as good as it'll get tbh

 

[meefer]

A 3 way trade, dependent on the Avs.

St Louis is sitting 28th in P%, and are the 7th worst GA/GP. I don't think they're making a miracle run this year.

The Avs are sitting 16th in P%, and are tied for 2nd worst GA/GP. They have to get out of Georgiov's horrendous presence in net. Otherwise, fabulous seasons by their star players will be for naught.

The Leafs are looking wonderfully loaded in net: Stolarz, Woll, Hildeby, Akhtyamov.

Does St Louis want to get away from Binnington? He is a firecracker. Would the Avs find Binnington an upgrade on Georgiov? Would St Louis want one of either Hildeby or Akhtyamov as a starting point to a trade? Would St Louis be willing to give up Holloway after poaching him from Edm? Is Holloway a guy, or was his draft position of 14th overall in 2020 warranted?

To SL: H/A + Robertson + 2nd (SL has only their 1st + 5th and 6th this year)
To Tor: Holloway (dependent on him being more than just a guy, I just don't know)

To Avs: Binnington, hoping he regains his mojo playing behind a team giving up almost 5 shots less/game than St L.
To SL: Georgiov, to finish out the year and helps SL get a high pick (they have two young Cs coming along nicely, rebuild time)

There would have to be some massaging to fit cap, but as is, it's close to doable.

*** I'd really like to get a young guy at C before he breaks out ***

 

[613Leafer]

I think it’s time to actually move on from Robertson.

Unfortunately his value after 1 point in 17 games won't be as good as his value after 27 points in 54 games this past offseason.

Would have been great to see us have more foresight and have moved Liljegren + Robertson for a 3rd line C this past offseason.

 

[Kurtz]

Unfortunately his value after 1 point in 17 games won't be as good as his value after 27 points in 54 games this past offseason.

Would have been great to see us have more foresight and have moved Liljegren + Robertson for a 3rd line C this past offseason.

Both Robertson and Lil were on the trading block in the offseason; you gotta think that if there was a team that offered a cost-effective 3rd line C for him the deal would have been made.

 

[Fogelhund]

SO... it's just one game, and we need to see much more out of Minten and Grebenkin before we give them keys to the kingdom... but after tonight, if we are all healthy, we have a real challenge as to who to keep, and who not to. Sure, there are some easy decisions here... Robertson, Reaves are all easily guys who shouldn't be in a healthy lineup. I appreciate that Holmberg had decent usage last night, and he is defensively responsible, but we need more than just defensive responsibility. Holmberg I'm scratching my head right now.

My challenge is 4C... Kampf hasn't been good enough, but at the same time, I don't know if his cap hit is really going to be a problem going forward. Dewar played well enough last night, but is terrible at taking draws... something Holmberg has been increasingly effective at.

Steeves has also played a decent game. Where would he fit in, for a healthy lineup? Or does he not fit in?

Knies Matthews Marner
Patches Tavares Nylander
McMann Minten Domi
Lorentz Holmberg/Kampf Grebenkin
Steeves/Dewar.

Part of me looks at this and goes... hmm... Out with Domi, Kampf, Robertson, Jarnkrok, Reaves... in with Laughton and Mathieu Olivier

Knies Matthews Marner
Patches Tavares Nylander
McMann Minten Grebenkin
Lorentz Laughton Olivier
Dewar/Steeves/Holmberg

But I doubt they move Domi, and he should be better in the second half, plus he can play C.... Honestly, just scratching my head right now... and it's probably premature to say Minten and Grebs are full time NHL players, but damn did they have nice games yesterday.

 

[The Podium]

SO... it's just one game, and we need to see much more out of Minten and Grebenkin before we give them keys to the kingdom... but after tonight, if we are all healthy, we have a real challenge as to who to keep, and who not to. Sure, there are some easy decisions here... Robertson, Reaves are all easily guys who shouldn't be in a healthy lineup. I appreciate that Holmberg had decent usage last night, and he is defensively responsible, but we need more than just defensive responsibility. Holmberg I'm scratching my head right now.

My challenge is 4C... Kampf hasn't been good enough, but at the same time, I don't know if his cap hit is really going to be a problem going forward. Dewar played well enough last night, but is terrible at taking draws... something Holmberg has been increasingly effective at.

Steeves has also played a decent game. Where would he fit in, for a healthy lineup? Or does he not fit in?

Knies Matthews Marner
Patches Tavares Nylander
McMann Minten Domi
Lorentz Holmberg/Kampf Grebenkin
Steeves/Dewar.

Part of me looks at this and goes... hmm... Out with Domi, Kampf, Robertson, Jarnkrok, Reaves... in with Laughton and Mathieu Olivier

Knies Matthews Marner
Patches Tavares Nylander
McMann Minten Grebenkin
Lorentz Laughton Olivier
Dewar/Steeves/Holmberg

But I doubt they move Domi, and he should be better in the second half, plus he can play C.... Honestly, just scratching my head right now... and it's probably premature to say Minten and Grebs are full time NHL players, but damn did they have nice games yesterday.

Can Grebenkin play LW? I know there’s a Russian tendency to play on your off wing but the lineup could look great if he could.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Grebenkin - Minten/3C trade - Nylander
Lorentz - Kampf - XXXX

Either use assets to upgrade on Domi or Minten but otherwise each line in the top 9 could have size, playmaking, scoring , defensively responsibility and an elite level talent.