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TheDoldrums said:
Elliotte Friedman, 32 thoughts

"I heard their offer to Calgary was comparable to New Jersey's," Friedman said. "But I think because of the politics there, I think Toronto was going to have to blow anyone else out of the water to get that player."

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Yeah so we didn't really offer anything remotely comparable. I don't disagree with your point that there's some pettiness from the Flames owner, plenty of people brought it up, but it seems like the Leafs are able to trade with them if we can offer a competitive offer. I don't think we had a Bahl level player to offer objectively. And the pick they got was higher.

And zero rumours about Pittsburgh blacklisting us because of Dubas as far as I know.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Yeah so we didn't really offer anything remotely comparable. I don't disagree with your point that there's some pettiness from the Flames owner, plenty of people brought it up, but it seems like the Leafs are able to trade with them if we can offer a competitive offer. I don't think we had a Bahl level player to offer objectively.

And zero rumours about Pittsburgh blacklisting us because of Dubas as far as I know.
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Friedman: the offer was comparable
you: yeah so it wasn't comparable

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Anyways I never said anything about blacklisting. I said if offers are remotely comparable, they are not going to want to work with Toronto. When the Leafs have to overpay to get a deal done, it doesn't make sense to go down that road. I doubt they make a deal with either team anytime soon and will sort of be forced to look at other sellers to make a deal with reasonable value.
 
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Fogelhund said:
Frederic is interesting, and would be a good add, I'm just not sure that Boston is willing to throw the towel in at this point. That seems a bit premature to me. Swayman hasn't been good, and maybe they need a coaching change, and they are still in a playoff spot. Selling off at this point doesn't seem likely. I'd like to modify the team sooner, than later, and I don't think Boston is there yet.
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Yeah I never would count out that team. Swayman will probably heat up and it will help them a lot. Missing training camp is rough for a lot of players.

Frederic would be a good target though if it ever comes to that.
 
TheDoldrums said:
Friedman: the offer was comparable
you: yeah so it wasn't comparable

??

Anyways I never said anything about blacklisting. I said if offers are remotely comparable, they are not going to want to work with Toronto. When the Leafs have to overpay to get a deal done, it doesn't make sense to go down that road. I doubt they make a deal with either team anytime soon.
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I'm just using logic and my own opinion as to what we were offering. Comparable in the sense that they offered their 1st and a young player? Or comparable that they offered a 23 year old 6'6" LHD with 100+ NHL games under their belt? Would they have prefered Liljegren? Robertson? Minten maybe? Niemela? But decided Bahl will do? Friedman speculates it could be in part a politics decision. The conclusion to me is that the Leafs did not have a Bahl level player to trade.

To win a hockey trade against different bidders, you typically do have to overpay. If they aren't accepting the best deal based on politics, that's pretty much a blacklisting.
 
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Bastian and Murphy would be nice additions.


Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Pacioretty - Minten - Nylander
Lorentz - Kampf - Bastian
Reaves

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Murphy
Ekman Larsson - Timmins
Hakanpaa

Stolarz - Woll
 
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TMLAM34 said:
Bastian and Murphy would be nice additions.


Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Pacioretty - Minten - Nylander
Lorentz - Kampf - Bastian
Reaves

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Murphy
Ekman Larsson - Timmins
Hakanpaa

Stolarz - Woll
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Not confident about that 3rd pair in the playoffs are you?
 
TMLAM34 said:
Bastian and Murphy would be nice additions.


Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Pacioretty - Minten - Nylander
Lorentz - Kampf - Bastian
Reaves

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Murphy
Ekman Larsson - Timmins
Hakanpaa

Stolarz - Woll
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Not sure the Devils have any need to trade Bastian before the deadline as a team gunning for the playoffs (2nd in their division right now), or even in the off-season.

Murphy could be ok but I don't think we have the assets or cap space to make it happen.
 
TMLAM34 said:
You’d think McCabe - Tanev and Rielly - Murphy would be getting a majority of the ice time so yeah I’d be confident with OEL - Timmins/Hakanpaa for 14-16 minutes a night.
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I wouldn’t be but I love your optimism though
 
All Mod Cons said:
Keep the gang together? I like your thinking.
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We've resigned Nylander and Rielly long term and Matthew's medium term, we're committed to this core already and letting Marner walk for nothing makes us substantially worse which is ******* stupid

The core isn't being traded, that's obvious so accept it
 
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TMLAM34 said:
Bastian and Murphy would be nice additions.


Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Pacioretty - Minten - Nylander
Lorentz - Kampf - Bastian
Reaves

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Murphy
Ekman Larsson - Timmins
Hakanpaa

Stolarz - Woll
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Our primary need is a 3C. I'm hopeful on Minten, but I doubt he's ready, and even so, I'd rather wait and see than make plans to spend what currency we do have on a D and winger... besides, NJD aren't trading Bastian.
 
Kiwi said:
We've resigned Nylander and Rielly long term and Matthew's medium term, we're committed to this core already and letting Marner walk for nothing makes us substantially worse which is ******* stupid

The core isn't being traded, that's obvious so accept it
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Yeah, I'm all for it. I don't want any other team t have them. I'd like them signed until they retire.
 
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Seattle is our team, I think you target both Gourde + Tanev

Use Robertson/Holmberg/Timmins/Kampf/Jarnkrok as salary ballasts, along with prospects and picks.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Pacioretty - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Gourde - Domi
Tanev - Lorentz - Dewar
Reaves

That 3rd line is the identity line Berube is looking for
 
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OVO16 said:
Seattle is our team, I think you target both Gourde + Tanev

Use Robertson/Holmberg/Timmins/Kampf/Jarnkrok as salary ballasts, along with prospects and picks.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Pacioretty - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Gourde - Domi
Tanev - Lorentz - Dewar
Reaves

That 3rd line is the identity line Berube is looking for
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Both are UFA, with Cap hit of $8.666mm

So the cost will be about 6+ assets. Around 4 for the players, and 2+ for retention.

What are you willing to pay for 2 rentals?
 
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OVO16 said:
Seattle is our team, I think you target both Gourde + Tanev

Use Robertson/Holmberg/Timmins/Kampf/Jarnkrok as salary ballasts, along with prospects and picks.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Pacioretty - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Gourde - Domi
Tanev - Lorentz - Dewar
Reaves

That 3rd line is the identity line Berube is looking for
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You really like Gourde eh? He's a small guy, who's speed isn't what it once was, and he isn't as effective now because of it. Personally, I think there are far better targets out there. Especially given his cap hit.
 
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Fogelhund said:
You really like Gourde eh? He's a small guy, who's speed isn't what it once was, and he isn't as effective now because of it. Personally, I think there are far better targets out there. Especially given his cap hit.
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Just looking at realistic options. I still prefer Scott Laughton over gourde but I think its easier/cheaper to trade for a package of players as opposed to making two separate trades.

Gourde may be small but is a physical and gritty player. Lightning fans still want him back. With the right amount of retention, its not a bad trade target
 
OVO16 said:
Just looking at realistic options. I still prefer Scott Laughton over gourde but I think its easier/cheaper to trade for a package of players as opposed to making two separate trades.

Gourde may be small but is a physical and gritty player. Lightning fans still want him back. With the right amount of retention, its not a bad trade target
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You think so, even though he's in pretty massive decline?
 
Gourde could make sense if they retain 50% and the return is relatively low. We don't have an infinite amount of cap space so we have to make it count. I just don't think it does enough to improve the roster with how he's currently producing. He doesn't change the dynamic, adding an element we desperately need. But I could be wrong.
 
SprDaVE said:
Gourde could make sense if they retain 50% and the return is relatively low. We don't have an infinite amount of cap space so we have to make it count. I just don't think it does enough to improve the roster with how he's currently producing. He doesn't change the dynamic, adding an element we desperately need. But I could be wrong.
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He’d be a nice defensive physical player with better offensive upside than what we currently have but I don’t know if he had the offence in his game to justify it

We really need to nail down guys in that role that can be effective on the scoresheet while not being a liability defensively
 
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