Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[SprDaVE]

Didn’t Tampa just trade Sergachev for Geekie?

Didn’t they acquire Sergachev when he was still in the OHL for 50 point Drouin?

All those were in the off-season? The first one was a cap clearing move (they went on to sign Guentzel with that money), the other was definitely a young player for another. Both moves had players ready to play for their respective upcoming season.

I think we're getting confused. I'm not saying they shouldn't acquire young talent at all. The timing has to make sense.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Leafs remain active in league-wide talks — The Fourth Period

The Maple Leafs are weighing their options as they look to clear cap space in the coming days.

www.thefourthperiod.com

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Blueliners Conor Timmins and Matt Benning, acquired from the Sharks in the Liljegren trade,are both candidates to be moved or sent down to the AHL, should they clear waivers, in an attempt to free up additional space.

 

[seanlinden]

Be prepared to pay

Don't think there's any reasonable circumstance where Utah is trading Barrett Hayton at this point. Him & Cooley are the future up the middle there.

 

[seanlinden]

Your lines are the exact lines I want.

Granlund or Frost would be a nice add.

Granlund would be a fine addition too, but will come with a cap challenge being that SJ does not have retention spots, while he makes $5m. He'll be a hot commodity come deadline time, and the Leafs don't exaclty have a ton of assets to shoot with. There's also not much in the way of long term upside with Granlund.

Frost, not sure how you get a deal done, but if you can take him on as a reclamation project, I think there's some serious long term upside as the team's #2C. Theoretically, if you can get a deal done without including Minten, it gives you a somewhat reasonable development path for him as well.

 

[Dreakmur]

Granlund would be a fine addition too, but will come with a cap challenge being that SJ does not have retention spots, while he makes $5m. He'll be a hot commodity come deadline time, and the Leafs don't exaclty have a ton of assets to shoot with. There's also not much in the way of long term upside with Granlund.

Frost, not sure how you get a deal done, but if you can take him on as a reclamation project, I think there's some serious long term upside as the team's #2C. Theoretically, if you can get a deal done without including Minten, it gives you a somewhat reasonable development path for him as well.

With Liljegren gone, we can probably accrue enough cap space to add Granlund at the deadline, even at full cap hit.

 

[SprDaVE]

Granlund would be a fine addition too, but will come with a cap challenge being that SJ does not have retention spots, while he makes $5m. He'll be a hot commodity come deadline time, and the Leafs don't exaclty have a ton of assets to shoot with. There's also not much in the way of long term upside with Granlund.

Frost, not sure how you get a deal done, but if you can take him on as a reclamation project, I think there's some serious long term upside as the team's #2C. Theoretically, if you can get a deal done without including Minten, it gives you a somewhat reasonable development path for him as well.

With Liljegren gone, we can probably accrue enough cap space to add Granlund at the deadline, even at full cap hit.

Accruing cap space will help a lot. Even with Jarnkrok off of LTIR they should be able to be decently below the cap. With that said, the Leafs could get a 3rd team to retain on Granlund for a pick if needed. He's a pending UFA so typically it's not overly hard/expensive to get done.

As for Frost, my only concern is that he's another perimeter pass first player. He'd add speed and he's talented, so maybe the Leafs strike gold if the price is right. A small bonus is that he was a big Maple Leafs fan growing up. But I think the Leafs will want a more meat and potatoes capable player/center.

 

[seanlinden]

With Liljegren gone, we can probably accrue enough cap space to add Granlund at the deadline, even at full cap hit.

The Leafs are still running LTIR with Jarnkrok out.

Accruing cap space will help a lot. Even with Jarnkrok off of LTIR they should be able to be decently below the cap. With that said, the Leafs could get a 3rd team to retain on Granlund for a pick if needed. He's a pending UFA so typically it's not overly hard/expensive to get done.

As for Frost, my only concern is that he's another perimeter pass first player. He'd add speed and he's talented, so maybe the Leafs strike gold if the price is right. A small bonus is that he was a big Maple Leafs fan growing up.

The Leafs 23 man roster as it sits today is a shade under $85m. They currently have Hakanpaa ($1.47m), Jarnkrok ($2.1m), Dewar ($1.18m), and Mermis ($.775m) in addition to that. The total of those 4 guys is $5.525m.

In order to accrue cap space, you need to be under the cap when adding up all players on your roster + LTIR. If you assume Myers ($.775m), Benning ($1.25m), Holmberg ($.8m), and Mermis ($.775m) down to the AHL or out, you ge down to about $87m total.

HOWEVER, in order to get to that number, you actually need to remove those guys from the roster. They're not going to demote Holmberg until Jarnkrok is back. They're not allowed to demote Mermis until he's cleared to play. I don't believe Jarnkrok is even practicing. It's probably a fairly safe assumption to think that somebody's going to go on LTIR before Jarnkrok comes back, meaning they won't need to send down that 4th guy and risk waivers, meaning they probably won't accumulate much if any cap space.

Granlund's also going to be a very hot commodity come deadline time.

As for Frost, call me crazy, but I don't believe this is the Leafs year, they need to think a little beyond this year, and Frost would be a really solid long term addition. The challenge of course, while he's had a really bad start to the year, he's also Philly's 1st line centre and only centre with real offensive upside.

 

[Puckstuff]

Granlund would be a fine addition too, but will come with a cap challenge being that SJ does not have retention spots, while he makes $5m. He'll be a hot commodity come deadline time, and the Leafs don't exaclty have a ton of assets to shoot with. There's also not much in the way of long term upside with Granlund.

Frost, not sure how you get a deal done, but if you can take him on as a reclamation project, I think there's some serious long term upside as the team's #2C. Theoretically, if you can get a deal done without including Minten, it gives you a somewhat reasonable development path for him as well.

Why couldn’t there be long term potential with Granlund? If they could land him they may even bring him back over Tavares if he fits in.

They can make it work cap wise with some cap maneuvering and cuts. Maybe bring a 3rd team into the deal for retention. They can dump Jarnkrok as well. They could also run with a 20-21 man roster. The cap won’t be a problem and we have the assets to get a deal done.

 

[seanlinden]

Why couldn’t there be long term potential with Granlund? If they could land him they may even bring him back over Tavares if he fits in.

They can make it work cap wise with some cap maneuvering and cuts. Maybe bring a 3rd team into the deal for retention. They can dump Jarnkrok as well. They could also run with a 20-21 man roster.

They're not likely to do that given that they:

A) really like Timmins
B) Have Hakanpaa who they have no idea about his durability
C) Have Pacioretty with durability questions.
D) Presumably don't want to get rid of / lose to waivers multiple of Reaves, Robertson, Holmberg, Dewar, Lorentz, Jarnkrok, etc.

They're not going to potentially cripple the team's depth in hopes that they might accrue some cap space if they stay healthy.

 

[Puckstuff]

They're not likely to do that given that they:

A) really like Timmins
B) Have Hakanpaa who they have no idea about his durability
C) Have Pacioretty with durability questions.
D) Presumably don't want to get rid of / lose to waivers multiple of Reaves, Robertson, Holmberg, Dewar, Lorentz, Jarnkrok, etc.

They're not going to potentially cripple the team's depth in hopes that they might accrue some cap space if they stay healthy.

I don’t think they’ll trim down to 21 now while they’re still evaluating guys but If I can get a guy like Granlund I’m not losing sleep over losing guys like Holmberg or Dewar.

Keep Timmins as the 7th D and cut a couple forwards.

Robertson is a much harder decision but that will be an easier decesion to make in March when we know what we have and if we can actually get a Granlund or not.

 

[Leafblooded]

All these players are bottom of the barrel

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Garbage for garbage.

 

[rumman]

Jack Lamberts going to love this……….

 

[seanlinden]

I don’t think they’ll trim down to 21 now while they’re still evaluating guys but If I can get a guy like Granlund I’m not losing sleep over losing guys like Holmberg or Dewar.

Keep Timmins as the 7th D and cut a couple forwards.

Robertson is a much harder decision but that will be an easier decesion to make in March when we know what we have and if we can actually get a Granlund or not.

In order to "acrue" cap space, you need to be under the cap for a significant amount of time before adding the player you've accrued the cap space for.

They've been at 23 all year so far... let's say jarnkrok comes back in a week, and Myers/ Benning/ Reaves are the ones who go to accommodate Dewar, hakanpaa and jarnkrok.

Who else are you subtracting just for sake of "trimming the roster"?

 

[Fogelhund]

In order to "acrue" cap space, you need to be under the cap for a significant amount of time before adding the player you've accrued the cap space for.

They've been at 23 all year so far... let's say jarnkrok comes back in a week, and Myers/ Benning/ Reaves are the ones who go to accommodate Dewar, hakanpaa and jarnkrok.

Who else are you subtracting just for sake of "trimming the roster"?

Maybe I'm reading your post incorrectly, and if so, I apologize. You can be at the roster limit of 23, and accrue cap. It's your total cap hit, not number of players on the roster.

Here is an example. Buffalo is at the 23 man roster limit. But their total cap hit is $81.7 mil, of a $88 mil cap. So they are accruing cap. At the deadline, they'll have $28.7 mil in "deadline" cap space.

Buffalo Sabres Salary Cap, Cap Hit, Buffalo Sabres Contracts | Puckpedia

puckpedia.com

 

[Nineteen67]

I wouldn’t be moving too many D in hopes that Hakanpaa is the answer.

 

[ACC1224]

It's doubtful he's being 'shopped'.

 

[LeafSteel]

Benning I can see being moved.

Timmins I can’t see and is showing he belongs. Still has unrealized potential.

 

[horner]

Seravalli mentioned on kipper and Bourne that Tanev or Gourde could be trades they have a player coming back Vince Dunn that they are going to have to fit under the cap.
Which player would you like the Leafs to take a run at.

 

[SprDaVE]

In order to "acrue" cap space, you need to be under the cap for a significant amount of time before adding the player you've accrued the cap space for.

They've been at 23 all year so far... let's say jarnkrok comes back in a week, and Myers/ Benning/ Reaves are the ones who go to accommodate Dewar, hakanpaa and jarnkrok.

Who else are you subtracting just for sake of "trimming the roster"?

Maybe I'm reading your post incorrectly, and if so, I apologize. You can be at the roster limit of 23, and accrue cap. It's your total cap hit, not number of players on the roster.

Here is an example. Buffalo is at the 23 man roster limit. But their total cap hit is $81.7 mil, of a $88 mil cap. So they are accruing cap. At the deadline, they'll have $28.7 mil in "deadline" cap space.

Buffalo Sabres Salary Cap, Cap Hit, Buffalo Sabres Contracts | Puckpedia

puckpedia.com

Yep. It's very weird how it's calculated but in very basic terms, as long as you're under the cap in one way or another, you accrue cap space. The longer the better. Leafs have been dipping into LTIR for most of the season, so they've lost some of that.

8. Team Cap Hit Calculations & Accrued Cap Space | Puckpedia

A team’s cap hit is calculated based on each day of the season (186 days). For every day a player is on the roster, the team’s cap hit is their full year cap hit divided by 186. Once a player is on the roster, the calculations assume they will be on the roster for the remainder of year...

puckpedia.com

A team’s cap hit is calculated based on each day of the season (24-25 is 192 days). For every day a player is on the roster, the team’s cap hit is their full year cap hit divided by 192. Once a player is on the roster, the calculations assume they will be on the roster for the remainder of year. Example: If a player with a $925K cap hit gets called up 92 days into the season (100 days remaining), on that day the team’s projected cap hit for the year goes up $481,771 ($925K/192)*100.

Cap space “accrues” over time. A team with $500K cap room to start the year can add a player with a $1,000,000 Cap Hit halfway through season (Day 96). Due to the way the cap is calculated, a player worth $1M annually will only count for $500,000 in actual cap charge through the remainder of the year.

 

[SprDaVE]

Seravalli mentioned on kipper and Bourne that Tanev or Gourde could be trades they have a player coming back Vince Dunn that they are going to have to fit under the cap.
Which player would you like the Leafs to take a run at.

Tanev is too expensive, redundant and average to waste asset(s) on. Gourde would be solid but he's a small soft speedy player that has struggled to produce in the last year or so.

 

[rumman]

Seravalli mentioned on kipper and Bourne that Tanev or Gourde could be trades they have a player coming back Vince Dunn that they are going to have to fit under the cap.
Which player would you like the Leafs to take a run at.

The aforementioned Tanev and Gourde please……

 

[HockeyVirus]

Yeah let's move off of all of our RD depth so we can overpay at the TDL for someone the same level as those guys but hit really hard and can't move the puck at all

 

[horner]

Tanev is too expensive, redundant and average to waste asset(s) on. Gourde would be solid but he's a small soft speedy player that has struggled to produce in the last year or so.

Didn't think Gourde was soft

Tanev is too expensive, redundant and average to waste asset(s) on. Gourde would be solid but he's a small soft speedy player that has struggled to produce in the last year or so.

I would think to get anything for tanev the will have to eat 2 mill

 

[dubplatepressure]

Unless something's changed in the last couple of years TFP is not a legit source of anything anyway - just a regurgitator of other rumours. I don't buy it.