Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Deadline-ageddon

[Martin Skoula]

A guy who can give 60ish points as defenseman as he's done. 58 just two years ago...

Ghostisbehere does the same thing for half the cap, he was given away once for free and then for a 3rd. Stick Sandin or whatever run of the mill vet OFD like OEL in Rielly’s minutes and they get 50 points without being a complete and total joke defensively.

When you say someone is a risk/reward player, I assume they’re taking risky pinches that sometimes work and sometimes don’t, you can argue that the risk is worth the reward. Rielly is incredibly vanilla offensively and doesn’t offer any sort of skillset that isn’t already available and better in the other players on the ice. He doesn’t get burned on pinches he just doesn’t know how to or want to play defense, completely unrelated to his offensive risk appetite.

 

[therealkoho]

Oof, disagree. Lou signed Marleau and apparently they knew it would be a problem. Imo, that's not rational or forward thinking at all.

It was more thst Mitch needed a mentor and a place to go with Matthews to play mini-sticks

 

[ER89]

For how long?

And again, you've got to accept that there's risk and that there's going to be the odd defensive issue. Hard, I know, because Leaf fans love to have a guy (usually a Dman) to be the whipping boy.

or. hear me out..... he's been shit for 7m on a roster that is capped out.

no need to be a white knight. The dude for 7 million bucks has been dogshit. That's just the truth. Can we better optimize him? probably. But its easy to see he isn't a fit in berubes system. One which we've done well with. So get him gone then.

 

[nuck]

I don’t understand wanting to trade Knies and especially for defense. We CANNOT SCORE in the playoffs and he’s been one of our best playoff goal scorers the last two seasons.

I am pretty sure nobody wants Knies gone but if he is one of the assets you have on the table, the options are a whole new conversation. Look what Tampa paid for two kind of meh players. Picks around 30 and prospects with a good upside don't get you good players in their prime, and clubs that aren't committed to a rebuild usually want players more than futures. I don't want him dealt either but if it were to happen it would be for someone with control and good years ahead, just like him. Cowan ++ doesn't get you close to that. And 3 goals in 14 playoff games is not irreplaceable. Your are looking at what he might do, not what he's done. Nobody should be untouchable for the right return.

 

[Americanadian]

In the off season, if Dallas approaches you with a proposal of,

To Toronto-
Thomas Harley
Wyatt Johnston

To Dallas-
Auston Matthews

Do you say yes?

You say yes without thinking twice.

 

[therealkoho]

My interest in ROR goes up if indeed he didnt like the previous coaching staff but likes the city

I think Futa is blowing smoke tbh

 

[Rare Jewel]

Ghostisbehere does the same thing for half the cap, he was given away once for free and then for a 3rd. Stick Sandin or whatever run of the mill vet OFD like OEL in Rielly’s minutes and they get 50 points without being a complete and total joke defensively.

When you say someone is a risk/reward player, I assume they’re taking risky pinches that sometimes work and sometimes don’t, you can argue that the risk is worth the reward. Rielly is incredibly vanilla offensively and doesn’t offer any sort of skillset that isn’t already available and better in the other players on the ice. He doesn’t get burned on pinches he just doesn’t know how to or want to play defense, completely unrelated to his offensive risk appetite.

So, what are you keeping a check on every board battle or missed coverage or just doing what most do and the first guy the camera pans to after the goal was at fault? When really, there was blown coverage all over the place by multiple players.

And what does vanilla offensively mean? Do you want him going end to end all the time? I mean, I can go get some YouTube clips of him doing that if you wish.


What tends not to happen is we don't make a big deal of all the times he makes strong transitional plays, or even when he makes good defensive plays without the puck; we only remember the bad plays with him, now, interesting...

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[nuck]

Oof, disagree. Lou signed Marleau and apparently they knew it would be a problem. Imo, that's not rational or forward thinking at all.

But how did they know it would be a problem? It was an overpay but it was a 3 year deal. Did Lou sense he would be replaced by a noob who would sign a record UFA, deal and then follow that with getting bent over on three contract negotiations? I kind of think Marleau wasn't a problem at all until Dubas got the big chair. To be clear, not a Lou fan but there is no chance he is in a situation where he is giving away a 1st to dodge one year of salary. He doesn't sign JT for $11M or he is way harder than Kyle on the big 3 contracts or he cashes in a chip with someone else in the old boys club and Marleau is gone.

 

[Tony Romo]

so basically he is soft

 

[TMLAM34]

Yeah, I don’t think ROR’s main issue was the former coaching staff. I’m sure the media attention was another major factor. I’m not giving up assets twice for him though regardless.

 

[SprDaVE]

so basically he is soft

Not everyone is made for this market.

 

[ULF_55]

So, what are you keeping a check on every board battle or missed coverage or just doing what most do and the first guy the camera pans to after the goal was at fault? When really, there was blown coverage all over the place by multiple players.

And what does vanilla offensively mean? Do you want him going end to end all the time? I mean, I can go get some YouTube clips of him doing that if you wish.

What tends not to happen is we don't make a big deal of all the times he makes strong transitional plays, or even when he makes good defensive plays without the puck; we only remember the bad plays with him, now, interesting...

I believe he is slower, and struggles more and more to keep up with the pace of the attackers.

Of course it could be he isn't making the decisions as quickly and that is why he ends up chasing?

 

[Amadeus]

Not interested in him either. He's slow and we're already a slower team.

 

[Rare Jewel]

or. hear me out..... he's been shit for 7m on a roster that is capped out.

no need to be a white knight. The dude for 7 million bucks has been dogshit. That's just the truth. Can we better optimize him? probably. But its easy to see he isn't a fit in berubes system. One which we've done well with. So get him gone then.

Well, we don't know what Berube's system has achieved; it's nothing more or less than his last two predecessors.

But, okay, so what do you do to help your highest paid, and what should be the most influential Dman?

To me, it's not playing him with a minor leaguer on the 3rd pair.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Not everyone is made for this market.

I think that is part of what limits us in meaningful trades. Even without protection, if a player has a good relationship with their current team, I bet the GM says, look we've got similar trade offers from team X and Toronto. Which would you prefer.

The answer is always Florida, Tampa, Dallas, somewhere warm where they're not too bothered about hockey.

 

[Stephen]

Not interested in him either. He's slow and we're already a slower team.

So it wasn't Sheldon Keefe he had issues with.

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[Evilhomer]

when Tampa can't beat Buffalo, are you still worried about Tampa? I'm not sure they can beat Florida in the first round even with Florida not having Tkachuk.

 

[Tony Romo]

it's quite funny how soft hockey players are in regards to the market. Every other sport the players want to go play in the biggest/best markets. Hockey? Nope.

 

[Rare Jewel]

He doesn't have a no-trade, though

You could make the deal anyway.

 

[SprDaVE]

when Tampa can't beat Buffalo, are you still worried about Tampa? I'm not sure they can beat Florida in the first round even with Florida not having Tkachuk.

Game is not over. And Leafs lost to the Sharks this past week.

 

[TimeZone]

Zero interest in ROR, or Schenn for that matter.

So sick of chasing these mediocre, old farts.

 

[Martin Skoula]

So, what are you keeping a check on every board battle or missed coverage or just doing what most do and the first guy the camera pans to after the goal was at fault? When really, there was blown coverage all over the place by multiple players.

And what does vanilla offensively mean? Do you want him going end to end all the time? I mean, I can go get some YouTube clips of him doing that if you wish.


What tends not to happen is we don't make a big deal of all the times he makes strong transitional plays, or even when he makes good defensive plays without the puck; we only remember the bad plays with him, now, interesting...

He’s vanilla as in there isn’t a single part of his skillset you could say is elite. He’s not that fast anymore, he has a shockingly inaccurate muffin shot, he doesn’t walk the line and open up lanes. Most of his points are run of the mill transition plays or uncontested point to point passes. He has had another gear in the playoffs where he’ll throw a few hits and make some good pinches but he isn’t giving us any tools offensively we don’t already have better versions of. He’s not an offensive quarterback that controls play, he’s just another guy out there.

 

[francis246]

I think Futa is blowing smoke tbh

I don’t. Multiple sources have stated this. He fcking hated Keefe and it’s pretty well known.

The Florida series pissed off the room bad, no adjustments and basically no one understood why after beating Tampa they went back to putting Matthews and Marner together when the lines the series before worked.

 

[budzz]

You say yes without thinking twice.

I'm sure you meant no without thinking twice? Matthews will go down as one of the greatest goal scorers in history. If the Leafs traded him it would be an EPIC blunder that would be remembered for decades. "But he hasn't won us a cup and hasn't delivered in the crunch!" This applies to hundreds of players that didn't deliver until they did. Guess McDavid should be traded too as he doesn't have cups? Drai beside him, both making more than Matthews? Entirely unfair to say "1967" to one guy in a rabid market. A good management team surrounds him with pieces that make it work. Most every team in the NHL would take a stud center and say "ok, regardless of cost, we have that major piece solved, let's build around it".