Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Deadline-ageddon

[Community]

I would have laughed out loud at the thought of it a year or two ago but I find myself being very interested in adding Ristolainen if there is retention.

Ristolainen + Laughton seems like it makes a lot of sense.

Has Risto figured out his defensive game at all? If he can hold his own on the 3rd pairing I'd be fine with it, but some beat writer was proposing to trade for him and then pair him with Rielly which seems like an awful idea.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I genuinely can’t believe there’s any demand for Risto, he’s objectively one of the 5 least intelligent players in the league.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Has Risto figured out his defensive game at all? If he can hold his own on the 3rd pairing I'd be fine with it, but some beat writer was proposing to trade for him and then pair him with Rielly which seems like an awful idea.

He's improved defensively, Torts saved the guy's career, he's been good for over 12 months now.

Do I want a Rielly-Risto pair? I don't think so.

Realistically you're doing

McCabe-Tanev
OEL-Risto
Rielly-Timmins(?)

or

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Risto
OEL-Timmins(?)

 

[Fogelhund]

Has Risto figured out his defensive game at all? If he can hold his own on the 3rd pairing I'd be fine with it, but some beat writer was proposing to trade for him and then pair him with Rielly which seems like an awful idea.

He's been better this year, but he's being partnered with a good defensive guy in Zamula.

My opinion, we need a Zamula, not a Risto. Just a right handed version.

 

[SprDaVE]

He's improved defensively, Torts saved the guy's career, he's been good for over 12 months now.

Do I want a Rielly-Risto pair? I don't think so.

Realistically you're doing

McCabe-Tanev
OEL-Risto
Rielly-Timmins(?)

or

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Risto
OEL-Timmins(?)

I think it's good on paper but the hoops the Leafs will need to go through to make it work cap AND asset wise is just not feasible to me before the deadline. Risto is a pretty big risk as well despite promising resurgence in Philly.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I think Reilly-Risto could work. Reilly doesn’t need a high IQ partner, Risto could be a better version of Lyubushkin/Schenn. He’s been a lot better recently in Philly. Seems like a guy who could be good in the playoffs.

 

[LeafSteel]

Not getting all the Risto love, but if Treliving feels like he can’t live without adding him, then we should be looking at changing our pairings to

McCabe-Risto
Rielly-Tanev.

I still think Murphy is our better RHD addition option though…..

 

[DougGilmour93]

Yeah I’m not even expecting that. I’m thinking Luke Kunin for our 2nd rounder. That’s it

As long as we can get back Ferarro as well somehow.

 

[thusk]

Not getting all the Risto love, but if Treliving feels like he can’t live without adding him, then we should be looking at changing our pairings to

McCabe-Risto
Rielly-Tanev.

I still think Murphy is our better RHD addition option though…..

Chicago just already traded a RHD, the chance they're also moving murohy are extremely low. They will want to give a fhance for Knight to develop and pretty good #1 and they will need to keep good player in front of him. So unstead a huge overpay, I'm pretty sure murphy will still in Chicago

chance of Carlo being move are much higher at this point

 

[stats1]

Chicago just already traded a RHD, the chance they're also moving murohy are extremely low. They will want to give a fhance for Knight to develop and pretty good #1 and they will need to keep good player in front of him. So unstead a huge overpay, I'm pretty sure murphy will still in Chicago

chance of Carlo being move are much higher at this point

There’s really no point in Boston hanging onto Carlo. I know Jacobs loves money and making sure the seats are filled but Boston looked terrible against a crappy Nashville team. They aren’t making the playoffs, they should be looking to the future

 

[Commander Clueless]

Lol, i wouldnt pay a 5th for Gourde (the 5 foot NINE and injured, and 33 years old, pending UFA that i wouldnt sign as a UFA), and a 3rd for Tanev, so, yea, i'm sure you could get both for that insane price

A 1st, 2nd and a 4th?

I like both of those players a lot and would like them in Leafs jerseys, but they don't have near the production to pay that.

Maybe a 2nd and a 3rd with retention?

Still need help on D though.

Maybe I'm crazy.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think it's good on paper but the hoops the Leafs will need to go through to make it work cap AND asset wise is just not feasible to me before the deadline. Risto is a pretty big risk as well despite promising resurgence in Philly.

It depends on if they'd take back a contract like Domi or Kampf, if yes, it makes it a conversation, if not...yea, difficult.

We'd likely need less retention if they take a deal like that.

 

[stats1]

I’m actually of the mindset of standing pat. None of the players mentioned are game changers. Laughton is a decent player but I wouldn’t give up Minten for him. Either go big or just settle for depth pieces. Luke Kunin for a 3rd or 4th. That sort of thing. Last I heard St.Louis wanted a prospect like Cowan and a 1st round pick for Brayden. Like that’s outrageous

 

[Magic Man]

I’m actually of the mindset of standing pat. None of the players mentioned are game changers. Laughton is a decent player but I wouldn’t give up Minten for him. Either go big or just settle for depth pieces. Luke Kunin for a 3rd or 4th. That sort of thing. Last I heard St.Louis wanted a prospect like Cowan and a 1st round pick for Brayden. Like that’s outrageous

I kind of agree. Laughton isn't really any better than a guy like Zucker or Donato. You could probably pull one of them for a 2nd. Is the extra year on Laughton worth a young player like Minten, when you could buy the same quality on the rental market for a 2nd? Minten could be a full time player next year.

I disagree on Schenn, if he has heavy retention. Minten and 1st for Schenn with heavy retention. He has 4 years of term on his deal, if they can negotiate the cap to the right amount, then I think Schenn is worth something like that to Toronto.

 

[Anthrax442]

Vanecek -> Florida

 

[stats1]

Jim Tatti just mentioned on TSN 1050 that he would put all the chips in the middle. They have a 3 year window here and no matter how many prospects you keep it’s not going to make much of a difference anyway. It’s Cup or bust at this point. In 3 years time the Leafs may have to rebuild anyway so is keeping Minten and Cowan going to soften the blow? Probably not

 

[Rare Jewel]

If you get Risto, you staple McCabe to him.

Then, use Rielly with Tanev the way the pairs should be.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Jim Tatti just mentioned on TSN 1050 that he would put all the chips in the middle. They have a 3 year window here and no matter how many prospects you keep it’s not going to make much of a difference anyway. It’s Cup or bust at this point.

Smart plays ensure we remain consistently competitive. In most cases that means not expending high end assets for rentals.

 

[Roo]

They'd be players you'd look at extending for obvious reasons. Neither would command large extensions, at least they shouldn't.

Sure, but they aren't coming with extensions is my point. I am sure we would look to extend them, but would we dish out a 1st and 2nd for two pending UFAs, one of which is a 4th liner? We paid a 1st and 2nd for Jake McCabe with an extra year, 50% retention 2 years ago. Maybe if Seattle retains the majority of the contracts to make it fit for us.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think Reilly-Risto could work. Reilly doesn’t need a high IQ partner, Risto could be a better version of Lyubushkin/Schenn. He’s been a lot better recently in Philly. Seems like a guy who could be good in the playoffs.

No, Risto is absolutely not a better version of either of those guys. Risto is like a Right Handed Version of Reilly, without the offense. Risto needs a steadying partner, to help solidify the pairing... just like Reilly. He's playing with Zamula, and Zamula provides that for him. Yes, Risto has also improved his game to some degree. So, you put together two guys, who aren't very good defensively on their own, and need a steadying partner, and you likely have a disaster on your hands.

This to me, is ungood.

 

[MarMarSab3]

If you get Risto, you staple McCabe to him.

Then, use Rielly with Tanev the way the pairs should be.

Reilly needs to be sheltered on the third pair if there's any hope of winning

 

[stats1]

Smart plays ensure we remain consistently competitive. In most cases that means not expending high end assets for rentals.

True, I’m just paraphrasing what he was saying. It’s really interesting to see the different viewpoints and opinions on what the Leafs should do

 

[Evilhomer]

Vanecek -> Florida

He stinks.

 

[ULF_55]

Smart plays ensure we remain consistently competitive. In most cases that means not expending high end assets for rentals.

NO RENTALS for top prospects/picks.

Need 3-4 year players not 34 year old players coming off IR.

 

[Fogelhund]

Jim Tatti just mentioned on TSN 1050 that he would put all the chips in the middle. They have a 3 year window here and no matter how many prospects you keep it’s not going to make much of a difference anyway. It’s Cup or bust at this point. In 3 years time the Leafs may have to rebuild anyway so is keeping Minten and Cowan going to soften the blow? Probably not

It makes sense... but for this year, only for pieces you will keep for years... not UFA's. I'm not sure without a healthy Matthews, we are going to be good enough. One non EN goal in fifteen games for Matthews... he's not healthy at all. The prices for trades are very high right now.... The prices to make changes, trades, are likely going to be lower in the off season.

If I had inside knowledge that there is the probability Matthews will be fine come the playoffs... ok, let's giddy up. If not, then maybe make those changes in the offseason when we can do so more cheaply, and maybe even fill some of those holes through UFA.