Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Deadline-ageddon
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123offtheglass
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Don't think this management group (Shanahan and Treliving) are willing to ruffle feathers, both seem very very passive. Not sure that mentality wins titles.
Stephen
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How about this as an idea. If the trade isn't sexy, don't make the deal.
We aren't one, two or three sensible roster shore ups away from real contention. We're a moon shot away from being championship caliber. Doesn't really look like there's been any maturation in this group that would suggest they're all business now.
Torontonian
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Common denominator is they all played on bad teams that made them "fall hard". Parankyo is considered having down years when the Blues have stunk these past 3 years.
Depends on if he wants to stay or not
Robertson could probably net you 15-20 goals and be cheap to resign
that has value to a cap strapped team
I think for the most part you're just looking at the total cap hit (perhaps a small discount for out years like picks), but it's difficult to determine general value because the players involved have a big impact. iirc Flordia was willing to retain an extraordinary amount of cap on Bobs for free if someone would trade for him.
There have been a few examples in the past of trades for straight up cap dump, so maybe a rough guideline is something like a 3rd for 1M, and a 1st for 7M.
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thusk
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Manson/ Lehkonen, barbashev/hill, coleman/goodrow/savard, kempny, hainsey/streit/hagelin/ schultz... none of those trade was sexy and they all had an huge impact
Before r3aching final, how many time did Florida past 1st round previous like 30 years? once
Before winning the cup, how many time washington past 2nd round under ovy? none
and its certainly not game 61th of regular season in a stretch of 6 gm in 9 days, you will really see maturation but day 1 of playoff
Stephen
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Our best player is going from a 69 goal season to one where he may not even hit 30, and he’s not even good in the playoffs to begin with. So it’s easy to envision this team actually having much of a leg to stand on as a serious playoff team. Maybe we will shift to a Stolarz and defensive basis to really contend but without our traditional strengths this year I’m hesitant trade good assets for mid level adds.
Looks decent brother,
Only thing I'd do is trade Dewar as someone will pick him up in waivers unfortunately.
It works we just need to send down Mermis.
I'd feel more comfortable moving Timmins over Robertson though....even Abruzzese
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thusk
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matthews going for 30 unstead 69 goal changing nothing for playoff goal... Just go in playoff and elevate ypur game like him and marner did in 4 nation final, that's what you need...Elevate your game when its really matter, becoming a real leader by exemple and make the difference whatever what...
It's true that playoffs matter WAYYY more. But you would still hope that you get more from the highest player in the league in the regular season, that way maybe we get win the Atlantic and let Florida and Tampa wear each other out in the first round
I think realistically Gourde is probably the type of move Tre sounds like he's going to make. I guess, if you can get a defenseman in the move it makes more sense. I think best case, he tries to emulate the type of deal that brought McCabe here. Be bold I guess is what I'm saying. What does a Gourde, Tanev, Oleksiak package cost? Those are three players I think would interest Tre from a selling team that can fill depth roles.
Actually we are 4-players shy of being true contenders, and these players dont need to be superstars, just good defensively....our skill is on par with Florida and Edmonton its our lack of hits/blocks and gritt in the bottom 6, and on our back end.
All we have to do is upgrade these players with guys that do just that:
Kampf
Domi
Jarnkrok
Timmins
Myers
Reaves
Dewar
Mermis
And its possible, there should be no excuses....every pick should be available as well.
As I've mentioned before not one draft pick in the next 10+ years will turn out to be the player Marner is, and if we dont get sh*t done this tdl and get chewed up in the playoffs Mitch will walk 100%
And i dont want to hear, we can just replace him with Rantanen....sure, but we're still left with all the holes, Tavares potentially walking aswell....its going to be one hell of an offseason if we dont make progression.
If management moved three first round picks this tdl i wouldn't complain, especially if it gives us a real chance of winning with this core....otherwise its all a wash, what a waste of one of our best chances to build something special in decades.
I dont want to get deep into it, but we really fkd things up early on in this rebuild....Babcock i think was the only one willing to fully rebuild and take the time, if you go back on interviews he told everyone be prepared for the burn and that it would take a few years to build everything up....but once we got Nylander, Marner & Matthews everything was cut short, we made the worst move possible by moving Kadri for Tavares....i hated it from the start, we moved a player with just as much skill or more for someone double the cap hit...yep, and we all know what came after that, management thought we could win now....man we're they wrong, if we signed Kadri and kept rebuilding instead of bringing in guys to compete, we would have our top RD right now, depth in our top6 and obviously depth on the back end.
Its amazing how much that move affected this cores future, and media didn't help...they practically pushed Kadri out of Toronto because he got suspended in the pkayoffs for standing up for his damn team, haha something Tavares rarely does, and one thing we've been lacking since he left.
Dwelling on the past wont do us any good though, we need to fix whatever can be fixed before this core gets scrapped.....it really gets me triggered though that Shanny let this happen but wont let management go full tilt and move picks for potentially our last chance with this core....makes me sick, someone's definitely getting paid under the table by another organization, none of this makes any sense especially on a personal standpoint, these guys are supposed to have the best in the game surrounding them.
See Edmonton did the same crap our management did, they brought in a solid GM with a good track record....not just someone rich guys son, a guy with knowledge of the game....and he turned sh*t around, made bold moves and look at them now.
Management should wake up, otherwise everyone's going to get fired....then again does mlse really care about winning a cup, i beg to differ.
The Raptors won a championship, and how did they do that? Because we have a GM that gets shit done, and understands the game and has a good connection with the players, also he's not afraid to make bold moves.
thusk
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Leafs didn't get 11 of 12 pts in a pretty heavy stretche of 6 gm in 9 days with matthews having at least a pts in all those game?!?!
1 non empty net goal and defensive lapse like the Rakell goal, you'd want more form the highest paid player in the league.
Wishful thinking brother, and i hope we can win the division....but it's highly likely Florida will surpass us, that would be a gift from the hockey gods if they do matchup...it should increases our chances of winning round2 by atleast 25% & if Tampa Bay can beat them we strike gold! But we still need to assess a few holes on our roster this tdl, otherwise the seasons a wash and history will repeat itself, like it has so many times.
Sorry brother, that's my fault i commented on the wrong post
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This is a surprise. I thought he was out for another few weeks. I still think TBL and FLA goes hard after him and B. Tanev.
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Meh, guy has similar stats to Domi and costs an additional 1.250M....they can have him, bonus points if they overpay
He's another Laughton, so many good players available...hard pass from me
Man if team's are asking such high prices for players of this caliber why hasn't management moved Domi?? And if his cap is an issue get another team to retain on the deal for picks.
These guys will all have the same effect on anyone's bottom6, id argue Domi and Gourde are more valuable in the sense that they can create more offense and dont get scored on as much, Laughton only averages 2-hits per game and thats his strong point....something both guys can match come playoffs, but can a guy like Laughton produce the same offense...thats a hard no
If all three players are retained 50% Domi's in the middle at 1.875M but he has the longest term and at that caphit he's a steal....so shouldn't his value be similar to these guys?
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I like the.idea too but sime are saying he's been playing W and not a legitimate C...is he or not??
Can you explain to me what you like about Laughton? What is he going to bring to our roster that upgrades him from guys like Domi, Kampf, Robertson, Pacioretty?
Please dont say hits because he only averages 2-per game and every player mentioned can match those numbers in the playoffs.
Can we give up on Laughton, Hathaway retained sure....but please i dont want too see another Clarkson, & Laughton will be worse.
Not to mention the asking price, makes me sick....we could get someone with a lower cap hit or the same, younger and more skill by adding another pick or prospect
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If Gourde can re-awaken that playoff beast he had, that's a very interesting pickup option.
Gourde + Tanev would be great adds, but creates a logjam at forward with the defense still looking a little thin.
Oleksiak certainly is the type of D Treliving likes (long).
Gourde + Tanev would be great adds, but creates a logjam at forward with the defense still looking a little thin.
Oleksiak certainly is the type of D Treliving likes (long).
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