Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Deadline-ageddon

[Gabriel426]

I think the Leafs need to prioritize getting the pieces they need more so than trying to win the value in value out equation

If I am Tre, I am not getting rentals unless it is truly depth pieces that cost a 5th or later pick or C prospects.

The team is close to enough to get pure rentals just to be in the 2nd round

 

[Menzinger]

If I am Tre, I am not getting rentals unless it is truly depth pieces that cost a 5th or later pick or C prospects.

The team is close to enough to get pure rentals just to be in the 2nd round

I'd target guys with term or guys they're confident they can resign.

But I don't understand standing pat. If that's the case they should have dumped core pieces and retooled. Which is too late to do,.so might as well double down and push ahead and hope for some luck at the right time

 

[Commander Clueless]

Then he should have probably made trades in the off-season to rectify that instead of going with the same group of players of the last whatever how many years?

I think they do like the players and team.

If they don't believe they can win the cup and they are hesitant about it, then we have a bigger issue at hand... it's the GM.

I'm sure they did the best they could to make the team competitive in the off-season. It's the best time to do it. Now they have had another 60 games of evaluation.

Confidence I'm talking about to chuck everything out the door is earned confidence. Can't get that until you've been there. Leafs haven't even gotten close yet.


We can talk all we want about what should have happened in the off-season (and we will, if Marner walks. Oh we will.) but right now it's about the teams confidence this season.

 

[stickty111]

Personally I'd rather go all in in one approach rather than trying to do two things at once m if management believes in the core then they need to spend now. If they don't I have no idea what they're trying to accomplish

If the team has to rebuild completely from the ground up in 2030-2035 then so be it.

You can argue we are stuck in the middle as a contending team.
If they think they can contend which we know they do, than be aggressive. If they don't, than why are we paying 4 guys double digits? What some fans are suggesting we do in waiting is what teams in wild card spots do. We are first in the division with the best goaltending this core has had. What if Matthews returns to form next year, but goaltending falls apart? Do we say again it doesn't make sense to make a big because of it. Lets wait til next season.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'd target guys with term or guys they're confident they can resign.

But I don't understand standing pat. If that's the case they should have dumped core pieces and retooled. Which is too late to do,.so might as well double down and push ahead and hope for some luck at the right time

I agree, no point getting pure rentals.

But the trade needs to make sense in the short and long term. And I think that’s the hard part.
Like I am all for trading 1st and even Minten or Danforth for Coyle and Carlo but not Schenn.

Or Minten or 1st and prospects or mid round picks with Kampf and Calle for Marchessault and ROR with 50% retention on both.

But not 1st or Minten for pure rental that Leafs can’t resign even if they want to due to the cap.

 

[123offtheglass]

He’s carried by siegenthaler. Look at his metrics when he doesn’t play with him.

Probably to some extent, but Kovacevic is still getting buried in the d-zone without him while Siegenthaler's minutes without Kovacevic are more o-zone.
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Seems like a good target if he's now available. Affordable asset (less proven, went for a 4th last offseason) & cap wise (AVV under league min), right shot, massive, 27, plays physical & boxes out well from what I've seen, & even from Hamilton.

 

[thusk]

I think the Leafs need to prioritize getting the pieces they need more so than trying to win the value in value out equation

get a 3C to bring secondary scoring and remove pressure from core is actually more important right now than a 4/5th D.

Ror is leafs want to make a splash is the guy we need to bring back.

Knies-Matthews-Domi
Patch/ robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Mcmann- Ror- Marner

 

[Evilhomer]

Man, you just don't learn.

Would it be better if I said the Leafs will finish in third place and then lose in the first round? That sad puppy routine is what most people around here seem to love.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I'd target guys with term or guys they're confident they can resign.

But I don't understand standing pat. If that's the case they should have dumped core pieces and retooled. Which is too late to do,.so might as well double down and push ahead and hope for some luck at the right time

Florida and Tampa blew most of their futures already, we might have 22 mil opening up in the summer to make a move for a prime aged longterm piece.

 

[Jozay]

Probably to some extent, but Kovacevic is still getting buried in the d-zone without him while Siegenthaler's minutes without Kovacevic are more o-zone.
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Seems like a good target if he's now available. Affordable asset (less proven, went for a 4th last offseason) & cap wise (AVV under league min), right shot, massive, 27, plays physical & boxes out well from what I've seen, & even from Hamilton.

Definitely not a bad target. 5x5 extension for the guy is crazy talk

 

[Rare Jewel]

I would trade Nemila, 1st, 3rd, Kampf, and Calle for 50% retention on Marchessault and ROR.

Then run the lines

Domi-AM-Marchessault
McMann-JT-MM(shutdown line and a line that will have Dzone starts more than Ozone starts)
Knies-ROR-Willie

That’s three very balance lines.

Doesn't ROR have trade protection? I doubt he wants to return.

For me, I wouldn't want to take on a 30+ center with term until I know what's happening with Tavares. That is why Schenn isn't that appealing, in my opinion.

 

[Rude Dog]

I don't think Tampa is going to care much having won 3 Stanley cups and having a potentially 4th one this year or next.

Are you telling me you wouldn't trade 10 years of bad teams for even one Stanley cup?

Read my entire post. Think I explain it fairly clearly.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Doesn't ROR have trade protection? I doubt he wants to return.

For me, I wouldn't want to take on a 30+ center with term until I know what's happening with Tavares. That is why Schenn isn't that appealing, in my opinion.

From all accounts the change of coach may make the difference for Oreilly. I’m not sure i want him back though.

 

[Confucius]

Florida and Tampa blew most of their futures already, we might have 22 mil opening up in the summer to make a move for a prime aged longterm piece.

If that happened I’d make sure we had that 22 million freed up for the season after next.

 

[thusk]

Doesn't ROR have trade protection? I doubt he wants to return.

For me, I wouldn't want to take on a 30+ center with term until I know what's happening with Tavares. That is why Schenn isn't that appealing, in my opinion.

ROR had issue with coaching staff, with Berube( a coach he loved) no doubt he will be fine to come back.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Very Cool, Dreger

 

[DarkKnight]

I hear people saying there are less players available now. Also true, fewer buyers.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Very Cool, Dreger

bahaha these fluff pieces are so ridiculous

 

[Gabriel426]

Doesn't ROR have trade protection? I doubt he wants to return.

For me, I wouldn't want to take on a 30+ center with term until I know what's happening with Tavares. That is why Schenn isn't that appealing, in my opinion.

If both Marchessault and ROR comes, unless Leafs win the Cup or Cup Finals run or JT is unbelievable in all playoffs games. JT is as good as gone unless he takes a deal where his caphit is 4.5mil(can be after deferring).

Which means Leafs will have JT(4.5mil), ROR(2.15mil-50% retention), and Marchessault(2.75mil-50% retention), that’s 9.4mil on three very solid players for the next few years. Compare JT being at 11mil over the past 7 years.

 

[weems]

Very Cool, Dreger

Trade all three of Cowan, Minten and Danford for just Schenn?

Yes lets trade our entire farm for a 33yo who's on pace for maybe 50 pts.

 

[Brobust]

bahaha these fluff pieces are so ridiculous

Dreger thinks were all a bunch of morons.

Andy Strickland tweeted 'similar player with similar term' would be going back to St Louis in a Brayden Schenn trade. Only player that kind of fits the bill in Toronto is Morgan Rielly.

 

[SprDaVE]

Doesn't ROR have trade protection? I doubt he wants to return.

For me, I wouldn't want to take on a 30+ center with term until I know what's happening with Tavares. That is why Schenn isn't that appealing, in my opinion.

He does not per all the cap websites.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Trade all the first rounders and prospects i don't care let's go

 

[LeafChief]

Darren Dreger is a monumental dumbass.

 

[Tony Romo]

Very Cool, Dreger

Does Dreger think we are trading for Robert Thomas?