GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[SprDaVE]

No way, man. Gibson is terrible. I really want one of their many centres. Zegras is probably the most likely but he’s apparently not that good…

The prize would be the top pick but yeah, we'd be taking a huge risk. Like I said earlier, he plays a ton and the Ducks are terrible. On a much better team, maybe he goes back to being dominant. We'd probably need more value to take him on... I don't know.

 

[ToneDog]

Gibson's numbers are horrific

You have to take a bad contract, in which case I would ask for Carlsson or MacTavish.

 

[Zero1]

The prize would be the top pick but yeah, we'd be taking a huge risk. Like I said earlier, he plays a ton and the Ducks are terrible. On a much better team, maybe he goes back to being dominant. We'd probably need more value to take him on... I don't know.

That pick would be a great return but we can’t afford to take on Gibson without retention or other assets to offset his contract.

I want to allocate as much money as possible to the defence!

 

[SprDaVE]

That pick would be a great return but we can’t afford to take on Gibson without retention or other assets to offset his contract.

I want to allocate as much money as possible to the defence!

I mean you just unlocked about 4.5M of cap space doing this. And you have your goaltending for next season. And you probably have a cheap-ish prospect likely NHL ready now or the following season -- and it's in direct line for a Dickinson or Levshunov or Buium, etc. We don't need 30 million of cap space to add to the defense either.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

What I want to see in October...

25 MAN ROSTER
(waive 2 players, prob Abruzzese and Rifai)

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Tavares - Domi - Nylander
Robertson - Holmberg - Dewar
McMann - Kampf - Jankrok
(Gregor/UFA) - Abruzzese - Reaves

Rielly - Lybushkin (2 years max)
McCabe - Pesce
Benoit - Liljegren
Rifai - Timmins

Woll
(Nedeljkovic/Vladar) (can get him for 7th round pick)

or alternatively, send Marner Liljegren to NYR in some sort of trade where we get Trouba and Kakko back. Get Rangers to pay Utah to retain salary on Marner if NYR don't have the cap space to make it work.

Knies - Matthews - Kakko
Tavares - Domi - Nylander
Robertson - Holmberg - Dewar
McMann - Kampf - Jankrok
(Gregor/UFA) - Abruzzese - Reaves

Rielly - Trouba
McCabe - Pesce
Benoit - (Lybushkin/Chatfield)
Rifai - Timmins

Woll
(Nedeljkovic/Vladar)

Next summer, Tavares, McCabe, Nedeljkovic and possibly Lybushkin contracts expire. Knies and Woll get raises. Presumably one Cowan or Minten will be making the team and will replace Tavares as a top 6 winger (Domi becomes full time center by next summer). Niemela will become waiver eligible and probably good enough to make the team.

New core is Matthews Nylander Rielly Pesce and the new "Tavares" guys (sort of core guys but not gonna be here in 5 years) are Marner/Trouba and Domi. If Woll and Liljegren/Kakko really prove themselves next season then they become "won't be here in 5 years" semi-core.

 

[SprDaVE]

What I want to see in October...

25 MAN ROSTER
(waive 2 players, prob Abruzzese and Rifai)

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Tavares - Domi - Nylander
Robertson - Holmberg - Dewar
McMann - Kampf - Jankrok
(Gregor/UFA) - Abruzzese - Reaves

Rielly - Lybushkin (2 years max)
McCabe - Pesce
Benoit - Liljegren
Rifai - Timmins

Woll
(Nedeljkovic/Vladar) (can get him for 7th round pick)

or alternatively, send Marner Liljegren to NYR in some sort of trade where we get Trouba and Kakko back. Get Rangers to pay Utah to retain salary on Marner if NYR don't have the cap space to make it work.

Knies - Matthews - Kakko
Tavares - Domi - Nylander
Robertson - Holmberg - Dewar
McMann - Kampf - Jankrok
(Gregor/UFA) - Abruzzese - Reaves

Rielly - Trouba
McCabe - Pesce
Benoit - Lybushkin
Rifai - Timmins

Woll
(Nedeljkovic/Vladar)

Next summer, Tavares, McCabe, Nedeljkovic and possibly Lybushkin contracts expire. Knies and Woll get raises. Presumably one Cowan or Minten will be making the team and will replace Tavares as a top 6 winger (Domi becomes full time center by next summer). Niemela will become waiver eligible and probably good enough to make the team.

New core is Matthews Nylander Rielly Pesce and the new "Tavares" guys (sort of core guys but not gonna be here in 5 years) are Marner/Trouba and Domi. If Woll and Liljegren/Kakko really prove themselves next season then they become "won't be here in 5 years" semi-core.

You think the Rangers trade their captain after finishing tops in the NHL? That ain't happening, even if they lose next round. He wanted out of Winnipeg to play specifically for the Rangers/US.

 

[Dreakmur]

That pick would be a great return but we can’t afford to take on Gibson without retention or other assets to offset his contract.

I want to allocate as much money as possible to the defence!

Swapping Samsonov to Gibson is a difference of 3 million. That would still leave 8 million to replace Marner. Not ideal, but I think that still makes us better.

 

[Menzinger]

The prize would be the top pick but yeah, we'd be taking a huge risk. Like I said earlier, he plays a ton and the Ducks are terrible. On a much better team, maybe he goes back to being dominant. We'd probably need more value to take him on... I don't know.

Personally, I'd stay away from Gibson. Got too much term left so if he flops it's not a cheap cost to get rid of one way or the other.

 

[JSn0w93]

Gibson and the Anaheim first round pick for Marner? Maybe throw in a nice Jarnkrok? Maybe? I dunno.

That is going to be a top 5 pick and likely get us a franchise cornerstone. If Gibson sucks I know an island for him...

 

[SprDaVE]

Personally, I'd stay away from Gibson. Got too much term left so if he flops it's not a cheap cost to get rid of one way or the other.

I don't think Anaheim makes much sense for Marner anyway unless he would love California and doesn't care about the team being completely butts. But I think Gibson makes some form of sense depending on the whole deal. If Jones can do well here (albeit low sample size), I think Gibson can do well as well.

 

[hamzarocks]

Marner to Chicago maybe?

They want to add elite talent around Bedard. They have a bunch of capspace and can give marner something like 12.5M x 3 or 4 years. He helps them become a playoff team probably in 1.5 years

Marner for Tampa 2024 1st + 2024 Van 2nd + Colton Dach

 

[Commander Clueless]

Marner and Keefe to Pittsburgh for Pettersson and Sullivan.

 

[JSn0w93]

Marner to Chicago maybe?

They want to add elite talent around Bedard. They have a bunch of capspace and can give marner something like 12.5M x 3 or 4 years. He helps them become a playoff team probably in 1.5 years

Marner for Tampa 2024 1st + 2024 Van 2nd + Colton Dach

This is kind of the return I'm expecting with Marner holding too many cards.

 

[rumman]

I guess it's time to start fresh for all the crazy madness people wanna throw out there. Let's start with:

Let’s win some playoff rounds and stop worrying about who wins the trades? This team needs a overhaul, get new mgmt, new coach, and get what you can while you can for whoever you can if it makes the team better……….

Definitely starts with Keefe. Shanahan is a pen pusher, changing him is just so irrelevant to me, I dunno why people think it'll change anything having another president. If you're changing the president, change the GM too. Clean slate from scratch.

I have no idea what will happen this summer. I just don't see Marner traded. I can see a lot of trimming around the edges again and hopefully not wasting cap space on terrible players. A new coach to oversee the team will be very interesting.

It’s ridding the organization of the loser culture that Shanahan is more than happy to perpetuate……….

 

[SprDaVE]

Let’s win some playoff rounds and stop worrying about who wins the trades? This team needs a overhaul, get new mgmt, new coach, and get what you can while you can for whoever you can if it makes the team better……….


It’s ridding the organization of the loser culture that Shanahan is more than happy to perpetuate……….

You're not gonna win playoff rounds by losing trades either

 

[rumman]

Addition by subtraction has to be the mindset with a lot of these pieces.

Dream outcome would be both Tavares and Marner waiving. Regardless, they will need to be focused on making significant changes because the entire setup is rotten right now.

For god's sake don't try to rearrange the pieces around the core. It's pathetic.

Exactly, the heart of the team needs a transplant, I’d trade anyone if the trade makes the team better………

You're not gonna win playoff rounds by losing trades either

So run it back again eh? Haven’t seen enough to be convinced the core is rotten?

If Treliving asks Rielly to waive I’d think Utah makes a ton of sense. Young team that wants to get better quickly. A Rielly for Crouse swap would make sense for both teams.

In a New York minute……….

 

[SprDaVE]

So run it back again eh? Haven’t seen enough to be convinced the core is rotten?

Who says run it back? You don't have to lose trades to make changes? Like I don't understand how this makes any sense. Make good trades, make changes and make it better. How is that running it back?

 

[ToneDog]

I'd like to see a blockbuster around Marner extended and Brady Tkachuk. They get one year of Marner for $750K. Imagine a line of 23 BT and 88. It is a shame Melnyk is still not the owner.

 

[rumman]

Think Tre tries to imitate the Klingberg signing with Montour.

I really hope he aims for younger versions of whoever, more affordable, longer shelf life……..

 

[JEI]

My crude run down of what I think needs to happen would be:

Shanahan/Treliving/Coaching staff gone. I just don't know how you keep Tre and bring in a new president. I think Brandon Pridham moves on too. Coaching staff goes without saying.

I'd look to move Marner and/or Tavares. I think Marner is more likely. Tavares likely walks for UFA or takes a significant cut on his next contract. I'd explore trading Kampf and attempting to use his money for a cheaper alternative.

UFA Forward: I'd look to re-sign Domi, I think Bertuzzi will be too in demand at free agency although I think he's someone this team needs too.
RFA Forward: Robertson and Dewar back for cheap. Gregor goes.

*Not lines, just depth as it would stand re: NHL talent under the assumption Marner/Kampf move on*
Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Domi
Jarnkrok - Holmberg - McMann
Dewar - XXX - Reaves

*Jarnkrok makes so little that I think his value would be better for us than in trade. Reaves I just think will be here or waived. Not sure what a trade for Marner brings back but it's likely some roster players involved so they will probably slot in somewhere in these lines. Maybe a Cowan, Mitten or Grebyonkin make the roster out of camp, but I don't think they'll avoid adding to the roster in hopes those guys make it.

UFA Defense: All walk. I could hear arguments to keep Edmundson or Lybushkin but I don't think financially it'll make sense. Last potential cash in contracts for both with a rising cap.
RFA Defense: I think Liljegren will be traded. The contract renewal will likely be a sticking point unless they really grind him down short term (1-year). When he got scratched in the playoffs I think that was the writing on the wall for him.

I'd look to move Rielly to see what his value is but they don't have puck movers to begin with so likely stays.

*Not lines, just depth as it would stand in terms of NHL players under contract*
Rielly - XXX
Benoit - McCabe
XXX - Timmins

*Leafs need to go big game hunting on defense (pushing Timmins down the roster). Whether that's in the form of a Marner trade or trying to land someone like Matt Roy out of LA as a UFA. I'd like Carrier out of Nashville too if going the UFA route.

UFA Goalies: I think they all walk.

XXX
Woll

Think they need to bring in a legit starter via trade. Woll's injury problems are just that and they need a guy who can do 50-60 games solid (Saros, Markstrom types). Marlies will have a young group coming in next year if Peksa sticks around and Akhtiamov joins Hildeby. Think Hildeby is your #3 vs. bringing in a vet like they did with Jones.

 

[rumman]

How would this be good for us?

I don’t want a player Tort’s benches in a playoff drive, a captain no less……..

 

[WTFMAN99]

So I know we all have opinions...here are mine....

• 2/3 of Rielly, Marner and JT have gotta go - you need to make actual change with this group
• Keefe & the entire coaching staff should be let go
• Shanahan fired or significantly reduced role
• Secondary pieces - Kampf, Jarnkrok, Robertson & Liljegren are available
• Open to keeping Domi and maybe Edmundson depending on the contract demands

I know NMC all plays a part in this, the organization needs to either be willing to ruffle feathers on it or we wait a year until we can make meaningful change.

I had a few different Marner/Rielly/JT scenarios in my mind but this post is already long enough.

 

[rumman]

You have to take a bad contract, in which case I would ask for Carlsson or MacTavish.

MacTavish is a really good player, but he can’t stay healthy, in and out of the Ducks line up all season long………

 

[SprDaVE]

My crude run down of what I think needs to happen would be:

Shanahan/Treliving/Coaching staff gone. I just don't know how you keep Tre and bring in a new president. I think Brandon Pridham moves on too. Coaching staff goes without saying.

I'd look to move Marner and/or Tavares. I think Marner is more likely. Tavares likely walks for UFA or takes a significant cut on his next contract. I'd explore trading Kampf and attempting to use his money for a cheaper alternative.

UFA Forward: I'd look to re-sign Domi, I think Bertuzzi will be too in demand at free agency although I think he's someone this team needs too.
RFA Forward: Robertson and Dewar back for cheap. Gregor goes.

*Not lines, just depth as it would stand re: NHL talent under the assumption Marner/Kampf move on*
Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Domi
Jarnkrok - Holmberg - McMann
Dewar - XXX - Reaves

*Jarnkrok makes so little that I think his value would be better for us than in trade. Reaves I just think will be here or waived. Not sure what a trade for Marner brings back but it's likely some roster players involved so they will probably slot in somewhere in these lines. Maybe a Cowan, Mitten or Grebyonkin make the roster out of camp, but I don't think they'll avoid adding to the roster in hopes those guys make it.

UFA Defense: All walk. I could hear arguments to keep Edmundson or Lybushkin but I don't think financially it'll make sense. Last potential cash in contracts for both with a rising cap.
RFA Defense: I think Liljegren will be traded. The contract renewal will likely be a sticking point unless they really grind him down short term (1-year). When he got scratched in the playoffs I think that was the writing on the wall for him.

I'd look to move Rielly to see what his value is but they don't have puck movers to begin with so likely stays.

*Not lines, just depth as it would stand in terms of NHL players under contract*
Rielly - XXX
Benoit - McCabe
XXX - Timmins

*Leafs need to go big game hunting on defense (pushing Timmins down the roster). Whether that's in the form of a Marner trade or trying to land someone like Matt Roy out of LA as a UFA. I'd like Carrier out of Nashville too if going the UFA route.

UFA Goalies: I think they all walk.

XXX
Woll

Think they need to bring in a legit starter via trade. Woll's injury problems are just that and they need a guy who can do 50-60 games solid (Saros, Markstrom types). Marlies will have a young group coming in next year if Peksa sticks around and Akhtiamov joins Hildeby. Think Hildeby is your #3 vs. bringing in a vet like they did with Jones.

I agree. If you're going the replace Shanahan route, just go full scorched earth. Sucks for Treliving but that's the business. Back the money truck for Doug Armstrong as President, let him reshape it. Not sure who else could run this cursed team. Maybe Doug Wilson?

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again -- if you're trading Marner, Seattle is a great city but I have no idea if Marner would be interested. It's a solid team in dire need of a star player. They really need to be aggressive and go back to last seasons level of offense. Ron Francis is on the hot seat as well. They have assets and picks to make a play. They might even be favourites for Sheldon Keefe.

Another team that would be a wild card and they need more offense is Nashville. That city is awesome and they really could use a star player next to Forsberg. ROR and Schenn would be familar faces. Their RW/offense depth is pretty rough. They got picks and they have some assets that could work.

Those are the 2 teams I'd look at trading Marner with if there's a way to make it work.

Seattle has about 20 million in cap space this offseason, so they could absorb his contract.

Marner for Larsson + Gourde + Shane Wright with a little more coming from our end would improve the team now and going forward.

Leafs get a top pairing defenseman, a two-way 3C, and a young future 2C. We'd definitely have to add I'd imagine but I'm open to that within reason.