Trades and Free Agency Thread - Quarantine reduced to 7 days

[123offtheglass]

We could do a lot worst than having Marincin being 2 injuries away from seeing the lineup. This is assuming that you don't see Sandin, Liljegren and Rosen as being better.

This board has this obsession with injuries being around the corner to failure. Every single team in this league is 2 injuries away from having a Marincin in their lineup, maybe even top 4.

Of last years playoff teams, this is false for almost all teams. Schedule is more condensed this season than most, injuries should be expected in a deep run. Team has been very fortunate so far this season regarding D injuries.

 

[4thline]

We could do a lot worst than having Marincin being 2 injuries away from seeing the lineup. This is assuming that you don't see Sandin, Rosen and Liljegren as being better.

This board has this obsession with injuries being around the corner to failure. Every single team in this league is 2 injuries away from having a Marincin in their lineup, maybe even top 4.

Not every single team wins 16 games in the post season. Out of the group you list Liljegren (maybe, if he adjusts) is the only one I think could step into our top 4 with one of the incumbents as a partner this season. A pairing of any two on the bottom pair would be playing with fire. If we're 'all in' on this season not upgrading the 6-7 for a relatively light cost would be an oversight. Personally I'd be in favor of the 6, if we're spending assets I'd rather it make us better when healthy as well as provide insurance

 

[123offtheglass]

As good as he's been going to hurt himself if the Leafs keep playing him; either play Hutch until he's healthy or get a goalie. Even though he's not playing god awful like Andersen was doesn't mean he's not hurt. If the Leafs could move no more than Kerfoot for Rittich @50% they should do it, even if the replacement they find for Kerfoot is a slight downgrade, they're walking a dangerous tight rope here right now.

Rittich could begin playing for them right away without a worry of managing his workload. They could maybe even bring in Laughton for a 2nd as Kerfoot's replacement & the team would be even better before adding their top 7 rental forward.

 

[cookie]

Wonder if Alex Nylander is worth taking a look at in the next offseason?

Never understood the appeal behind Alex Nylander. He hasn’t crossed the ppg threshold in the AHL and that production is in line with Yevgeni Svechnikov, who hit the waiver wire. Is it the utility he brings on special teams or the style of game he plays that makes up for his rather mediocre production?

 

[123offtheglass]

Carolina & Tampa went into last year's playoffs with this:

Carolina:
1. Slavin
2. Hamilton
3. Pesce
4. Edmundson
5. Skjei
6. Vatanen
7. Gardiner
8. Fleury
9. TVR
10. Forsling
11. Bean

Tampa Bay:
1. Hedman
2. Mcdonagh
3. Sergachev
4. Cernak
5. Shattenkirk
6. Bogosian
7. Rutta
8. Schenn
9. Coburn
10. Foote
11. Gaunce
12. Witkowski

 

[LeafSteel]

Never understood the appeal behind Alex Nylander. He hasn’t crossed the ppg threshold in the AHL and that production is in line with Yevgeni Svechnikov, who hit the waiver wire. Is it the utility he brings on special teams or the style of game he plays that makes up for his rather mediocre production?

I wonder if his last name was different if his name would even show up here.

We got the right brother. I think we can leave it at that......

 

[Cor]

There will be a trade today.

 

[Mugzy97]

There will be a trade today.

Doubt it!

 

[ToneDog]

Carolina & Tampa went into last year's playoffs with this:

Carolina:
1. Slavin
2. Hamilton
3. Pesce
4. Edmundson
5. Skjei
6. Vatanen
7. Gardiner
8. Fleury
9. TVR
10. Forsling
11. Bean

Tampa Bay:
1. Hedman
2. Mcdonagh
3. Sergachev
4. Cernak
5. Shattenkirk
6. Bogosian
7. Rutta
8. Schenn
9. Coburn
10. Foote
11. Gaunce
12. Witkowski

We dodged a bullet last night when Brodie went into the boards shoulder first hard. Dubas still has time. Hate to have all the regular season success go down the drain because he did not strengthen his D by the TDL.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Carolina & Tampa went into last year's playoffs with this:

Carolina:
1. Slavin
2. Hamilton
3. Pesce
4. Edmundson
5. Skjei
6. Vatanen
7. Gardiner
8. Fleury
9. TVR
10. Forsling
11. Bean

Tampa Bay:
1. Hedman
2. Mcdonagh
3. Sergachev
4. Cernak
5. Shattenkirk
6. Bogosian
7. Rutta
8. Schenn
9. Coburn
10. Foote
11. Gaunce
12. Witkowski

I'd be up for adding a depth guy but just because Our 7/8 guys are young doesn't mean that we lack depth at the position.

Either of those teams would have been toast if they had to get to their 9/10 guys last year in the playoffs.

Hell Carolina added all of that depth and still got bounced by Boston in 5 games.

 

[NHL WAR]

Would be nice if Blues losing skid continues (next 3 games are against Avs and Knights, so fairly likely) and Jaden Schwartz becomes available

 

[123offtheglass]

I'd be up for adding a depth guy but just because Our 7/8 guys are young doesn't mean that we lack depth at the position.

Either of those teams would have been toast if they had to get to their 9/10 guys last year in the playoffs.

Hell Carolina added all of that depth and still got bounced by Boston in 5 games.

ahhh... 9 on those lists are TVR & Coburn. Coburn played 3 games for Tampa & they won the cup.

 

[Cor]

Oleksiak isn't a bad target as a depth D, but his value to the Stars doesn't make sense for them to move him. He's currently playing beside Miro for them. The price they'd want versus the role with us is too drastic. If Dallas moves a defender, it'll probably be Sekera. Who, wouldn't be a bad depth guy for us. Kulikov from the NJD, is another one. Jon Merrill from DET as well.

All cheap, are solid bottom pairing guys if needed (Kulikov has even played top 4 minutes at times) and get good results when on the ice.

Merrill or Kulikov, the preferable options.

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[123offtheglass]

Would be nice if Blues losing skid continues (next 3 games are against Avs and Knights, so fairly likely) and Jaden Schwartz becomes available

Never thought about the Blues becoming sellers... Would love to see him come to the Leafs; don't care one bit that he doesn't bring the grit Foligno would, he'd be hands down the best add & fit for the Leafs & I don't think it's close; he'd even provide additional center depth.

If the Blues become sellers, what do you think he'd cost? I'd think he could easily pull a 1st... a 1st + marginal prospect perhaps? He is an underrated player so it's hard to say.

Their next games are against COL once & Vegas twice... maybe it could happen.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I think the 3 names I'd want the most at this point are Foligno, Laughton and Iafallo. They can do a bit everything, including PK.

 

[Leafs1991]

Never thought about the Blues becoming sellers... Would love to see him come to the Leafs; don't care one bit that he doesn't bring the grit Foligno would, he'd be hands down the best add & fit for the Leafs & I don't think it's close; he'd even provide additional center depth.

If the Blues become sellers, what do you think he'd cost? I'd think he could easily pull a 1st... a 1st + marginal prospect perhaps? He is an underrated player so it's hard to say.

Their next games are against COL once & Vegas twice... maybe it could happen.

Schwartz isn't a center. Hasn't been at all in the NHL.

 

[NHL WAR]

Never thought about the Blues becoming sellers... Would love to see him come to the Leafs; don't care one bit that he doesn't bring the grit Foligno would, he'd be hands down the best add & fit for the Leafs & I don't think it's close; he'd even provide additional center depth.

If the Blues become sellers, what do you think he'd cost? I'd think he could easily pull a 1st... a 1st + marginal prospect perhaps? He is an underrated player so it's hard to say.

Their next games are against COL once & Vegas twice... maybe it could happen.

Yeah it's hard to peg his trade value, but I imagine if he is dealt there will be a 1st rounder going the other way

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Never thought about the Blues becoming sellers... Would love to see him come to the Leafs; don't care one bit that he doesn't bring the grit Foligno would, he'd be hands down the best add & fit for the Leafs & I don't think it's close; he'd even provide additional center depth.

If the Blues become sellers, what do you think he'd cost? I'd think he could easily pull a 1st... a 1st + marginal prospect perhaps? He is an underrated player so it's hard to say.

Their next games are against COL once & Vegas twice... maybe it could happen.

Blue fans wsnt to resgin him and value him insanely high (similar to Nylander even though he is a UFA...)

 

[123offtheglass]

Schwartz isn't a center. Hasn't been at all in the NHL.

He's a winger that's capable of playing center but the Blues have never had to play him there for any significant time; he'd be as capable as Willie or Galchenyuk.

 

[123offtheglass]

Blue fans wsnt to resgin him and value him insanely high (similar to Nylander even though he is a UFA...)

Is management the same or just the fans?

 

[BudForLife]

Jets fan here...obviously I hope the Jets do well but I don't see them getting past Edmonton/Montreal to face the Leafs in the semis. Nor do I see them being able to make a splash in the trade market because of the expansion draft implications.

That said, I kind of want to see the Maple Leafs truly go for it as some insiders have speculated - figure out the ramifications in the off season. I know you have been looking at another winger...maybe Galchenyuk makes that unnecessary maybe not.

I deal I want to see is the Leafs grab Bennett from Calgary for the third line. It would be a great storyline.

Well thanks for the good wishes but I really think you're selling the Jets short.

Anything is possible in the playoffs, but I would be surprised if Edmonton or Montreal gets past the Jets.

Good Luck the rest of the way...except when you play the Leafs of course

 

[Leafs1991]

He's a winger that's capable of playing center but the Blues have never had to play him there for any significant time; he'd be as capable as Willie or Galchenyuk.

Which is to say he wouldn't be that good at center. He's hasn't spent any significant time in the NHL at the position that I'd feel comfortable with him playing there. The most face-off wins he has in a season is around 60.

Neither of those players you mentioned are that good at center either.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I'm certainly not going to call your opinion nonsense, but it's clear we disagree on this. I think the warning signs are as obvious as they ever were - we were absolutely outplayed physically last year and the year before, and I don't think you can claim otherwise, or claim it did not impact us. Yes we have a couple more physical players now in Simmonds and Bogo, but that's not enough to punch up to playoff hockey. I think we'll have problems with Montreal and Winnipeg's physical play right now.

I don't know where you're pulling the idea I suggested we need 4 mammoth defensemen - as a reminder I'm talking about swapping in Oleksiak for Dermott. To me, this significantly upgrades the physical properties of our 3rd pairing, and insulates our left side against injury to Muzzin or Rielly (with a far, far, far more phyiscal presence).

Oleksiak is arguably just as mobile as Dermott and you've said yourself they're pretty much a wash, so I don't see how you can also contradict yourself thinking that there's threat of that third pairing not handling the puck well with Oleksiak. There is more than one reason why Dallas uses his alongside Heiskanen or Klingberg - but I'm sure you can figure that out if you really wanted to.

We haven't had any issues with Winnipeg or Montreal's physical play this year, and we have played 10 games against them already. We did not have any issues with it in previous years either. We had issues, but physicality was not one of them.

Oleksiak is nowhere near as mobile as Dermott and while their overall play may be a wash, you would have to pay a lot to bring in Oleksiak for him to not even upgrade our defense (and to remove a puck moving presence from our bottom pairing, which at best neutralizes any physical benefits you are getting by going from Dermott to Oleksiak). You are effectively wanting Montreal's defense and they get torched by fast teams... which are also very prevalent in the playoffs.

So you would be making a bunch of moves and paying a rather significant price to subtract a younger defenseman with more upside and who is a better fit for our team (or use him as a #7 which is an even bigger waste) just to add another physical presence on a defense which already has at least 3 good physical presences plus Dermott who is fairly physical himself.

We have defensive depth and we have a great top 6 defense. If we are spending large assets (which includes the 2nd+ it would take to acquire Oleksiak), it should not be on defense. We can acquire a depth defenseman with a bit of grit like Hakanpaa in case Bogosian or Holl go down but other than that, we should be focusing on getting a goalie and maybe another top 9 forward.

EDIT: I am also not call your opinion nonsense. I am saying the suggestion that we are going to get steamrolled physically if we don't add a guy like Oleksiak is nonsense when we had less physical teams in the past not get steamrolled by some of the most physical teams in the league.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

We could do a lot worst than having Marincin being 2 injuries away from seeing the lineup. This is assuming that you don't see Sandin, Liljegren and Rosen as being better.

This board has this obsession with injuries being around the corner to failure. Every single team in this league is 2 injuries away from having a Marincin in their lineup, maybe even top 4.

People follow an unhealthy narrative that Marincin is bad and should never be in an NHL lineup, including saying that we lost that Columbus series because we had him in.

Meanwhile he had the best metrics at ES in that Columbus series out of any Leafs defenseman when he played. Obviously not in the largest role (bottom pairing) but that is where he would play if there is an injury anyways.

Not only was he not awful, he was good.

Our defense is good for this year. I would acquire another Marincin for the RD so we have Sandin and Liljegren as LD/RD puck movers and then Marincin and a new guy as LD/RD defensive guys.