Trades and Free Agency Thread - Quarantine reduced to 7 days

[SeaOfBlue]

I think the answers are obvious? One, he (Dermott) plays 12m a night because he has to. Two, if Muzzin goes down (or Rielly) again like he did against CLB we are pooched. Three, we are going to get steamrolled physically, and Oleksiak would put some fear into opposition. That's much more important come postseason. I just see a lot of upside there.

How exactly does Dermott "have to" play 12 minutes? The only reason why he is playing 12 minutes right now is because that is the only ice time available for him right now. He can easily play a lot more than he is playing right now.

The other answers are non-sense. We are not going to get steamrolled in the playoffs. We are also not pooched if we lose a top 4 defenseman... At least not any more than we would be with Oleksiak there.

 

[cookie]

Just watching the Jets game go to a shootout makes we wonder how much transferability shootout/penalty shot ability has on a goalie's HDSV%? If the Leafs are looking for a third stringer, maybe Subban could be the way to go?

 

[dubplatepressure]

How exactly does Dermott "have to" play 12 minutes? The only reason why he is playing 12 minutes right now is because that is the only ice time available for him right now. He can easily play a lot more than he is playing right now.

The other answers are non-sense. We are not going to get steamrolled in the playoffs. We are also not pooched if we lose a top 4 defenseman... At least not any more than we would be with Oleksiak there.

Nonsense? Lol ok bud.

 

[Antropovsky]

Different tone for Dreger. For once saying Hyman will sign at a discount.

Not sure why Hyman would do this....I want him to of course. But with Matthews and Marner leaving NO money on the table - why should he? Especially with how much effort he has put in to get to this point. At his age, this is big chance at a payday.

Glencross was a similar player - he signed a sweetheart deal with the flames, passing on better offers. He later spoke about how he in hindsight he regretted the decision.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Not sure why Hyman would do this....I want him to of course. But with Matthews and Marner leaving NO money on the table - why should he? Especially with how much effort he has put in to get to this point. At his age, this is big chance at a payday.

Glencross was a similar player - he signed a sweetheart deal with the flames, passing on better offers. He later spoke about how he in hindsight he regretted the decision.

Hyman comes from a very wealthy family in Toronto and has multiple businesses under his own name too.

That's why he might leave money on the table.

I think that's where the idea comes from but nothing is guaranteed of course.

 

[Cor]

Zach Hyman pretty much forced his way to Toronto.

He’s not leaving

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Not sure why Hyman would do this....I want him to of course. But with Matthews and Marner leaving NO money on the table - why should he? Especially with how much effort he has put in to get to this point. At his age, this is big chance at a payday.

Glencross was a similar player - he signed a sweetheart deal with the flames, passing on better offers. He later spoke about how he in hindsight he regretted the decision.

Maybe because Hyman is a 29-year old role player and not a 22-year old core player? He may get more salary in another market, but he is not getting anywhere close to the kind of sponsorships he is getting here.

He can look at Tavares who turned down more money from multiple teams (some of which were also very good) to come here. If he likes it here, and money is not the most important thing to him (which it almost certainly is not given he already comes from a rich family and will still be making much of what he is worth here), then he will make it work for us. He has a new family and he is from here. He probably wants to play here for the rest of his career if he has anything to say about it.

 

[Menzinger]

Not sure why Hyman would do this....I want him to of course. But with Matthews and Marner leaving NO money on the table - why should he? Especially with how much effort he has put in to get to this point. At his age, this is big chance at a payday.

Glencross was a similar player - he signed a sweetheart deal with the flames, passing on better offers. He later spoke about how he in hindsight he regretted the decision.

Local kid, seems to love the team/city. And it will be hard to replicate with another team what he has here.

If he wants to chase dollars then good luck to him In a covid-frozen cap free agency period

 

[Menzinger]

Zach Hyman pretty much forced his way to Toronto.

He’s not leaving

Definitely not overly concerned about it yet

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Nonsense? Lol ok bud.

Absolutely. We weren't pooched defensively last year when we lost Muzzin, and we have better defensive depth this year. We will likely play better offensive teams than Columbus, but if we are screwed with Dermott in our top 4, then we are likely just as screwed with Oleksiak in our top 4 as well. Both are bottom pairing defensemen who can play higher with the right partners. Dallas needs Oleksiak to play higher, so he is getting more minutes right now. The Leafs don't need Dermott to play more than he is right now, so he is not. It would be no different for Oleksiak if he comes here, unless he is taking PK time away from someone... And that is unlikely right now.

We were not steamrolled by Columbus or Boston, and they were more physical than any team we are going to face in at least the first two rounds and possibly at any point in the Stanley Cup playoffs this year... And we've added a lot more physicality since then. Suggesting we will get steamrolled unless we have 4 mammoth defenseman on our team is nonsense. It's more likely we face problems with our bottom line getting hemmed in with two non-puck movers in Oleksiak and Bogosian than getting steamrolled. Oleksiak won't have Heiskanen or Klingberg to move the puck, and there is a reason why Dallas rarely ever uses him without a high-end puck mover on his pairing.

 

[LeafChief]

Hall for a 1st (3rd team needed for salary cap retention)
Gurianov+Oleksiak for Sandin + Amirov
Ullmark for Andy


Hall-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Hyman-Engvall-Gurianov
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Simmonds

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Oleksiak-Bogosian

Campbell
Ullmark

This team would battle for the cup

This is so bad it should come with an infraction.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Not sure why Hyman would do this....I want him to of course. But with Matthews and Marner leaving NO money on the table - why should he? Especially with how much effort he has put in to get to this point. At his age, this is big chance at a payday.

Glencross was a similar player - he signed a sweetheart deal with the flames, passing on better offers. He later spoke about how he in hindsight he regretted the decision.

Hyman is a big part of the community in Toronto, his family is here and his wife is here. He comes from a wealthy family and has multiple businesses. He’ll sign a team friendly deal and stay in Toronto

 

[Clark4Ever]

If we can swing it with salary retention, I'd be very comfortable with this lineup going into the playoffs:

Hall-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kerfoot/Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian

Campbell
Ullmark

 

[Dreakmur]

Hyman comes from a very wealthy family in Toronto and has multiple businesses under his own name too.

That's why he might leave money on the table.

I think that's where the idea comes from but nothing is guaranteed of course.

If there’s anything rich families are known for, it’s leaving money on the table.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

If we can swing it with salary retention, I'd be very comfortable with this lineup going into the playoffs:

Hall-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kerfoot/Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian

Campbell
Ullmark

Pay an extra 3rd rounder or something for Chicago or Detroit to retain another 50% on Hall if it allows us to keep Kerfoot. He's played very well here recently.

 

[Sypher04]

If we can swing it with salary retention, I'd be very comfortable with this lineup going into the playoffs:

Hall-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kerfoot/Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian

Campbell
Ullmark

The only other thing I'd like to see is an experienced depth defenseman who can move up if an injury hits and its needed. Someone cheap like Merrill or something.

 

[IrishInOntario]

I continue to think that a top 6 forward is my primary want... Not because Hyman isn't a stud on the top line, but because he is the key to depth that drives the third line and makes them really good. I don't see a third line talent available that gives you the true 200 ft game that Hyman does, however, there are plenty of guys (Hall, Palmieri, Rakell, Garland etc) that would be plug and play with Matthews and Marner.

Add Jamie Oleksiak or Mike Reilly for defensive depth, a top 6 forward and flip Anderson in a deal for Darcy Kuemper.

Hall or Rakell or Palmieri or Garland / Matthews / Marner

Galchenyuk / Tavares / Nylander

Mikheyev / Engvall / Hyman

Simmonds / Kerfoot / Spezza
Thornton

Reilly / Brodie
Muzzin / Holl
Oleksiak or Reilly / Bogosian
Dermott

Campbell
Kuemper

I think they can get that under the salary cap?

 

[123offtheglass]

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

If we don't go for any big fish acquisitions up front I wonder if a team like Calgary would be willing to flip us their big bodied depth guys for the stretch (assuming all could be flipped to the taxi squad).

Something like Nordstrom, Ritchie, Leivo for Kossila and Agostino.

None of those guys would get Calgary anything on the market and they are all pending UFA's.

None of them likely get claimed on waivers either because of the quarentine unless Edmonton/Winnipeg catch wind of us wanting them.

Not a super fan of these guys but would give us a nice mix with Barabanov/Petan/Robertson as options.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Palmeiri, Kulikov and Dell from NJ. One big trade addresses 3 needs

 

[dubplatepressure]

Absolutely. We weren't pooched defensively last year when we lost Muzzin, and we have better defensive depth this year. We will likely play better offensive teams than Columbus, but if we are screwed with Dermott in our top 4, then we are likely just as screwed with Oleksiak in our top 4 as well. Both are bottom pairing defensemen who can play higher with the right partners. Dallas needs Oleksiak to play higher, so he is getting more minutes right now. The Leafs don't need Dermott to play more than he is right now, so he is not. It would be no different for Oleksiak if he comes here, unless he is taking PK time away from someone... And that is unlikely right now.

We were not steamrolled by Columbus or Boston, and they were more physical than any team we are going to face in at least the first two rounds and possibly at any point in the Stanley Cup playoffs this year... And we've added a lot more physicality since then. Suggesting we will get steamrolled unless we have 4 mammoth defenseman on our team is nonsense. It's more likely we face problems with our bottom line getting hemmed in with two non-puck movers in Oleksiak and Bogosian than getting steamrolled. Oleksiak won't have Heiskanen or Klingberg to move the puck, and there is a reason why Dallas rarely ever uses him without a high-end puck mover on his pairing.

I'm certainly not going to call your opinion nonsense, but it's clear we disagree on this. I think the warning signs are as obvious as they ever were - we were absolutely outplayed physically last year and the year before, and I don't think you can claim otherwise, or claim it did not impact us. Yes we have a couple more physical players now in Simmonds and Bogo, but that's not enough to punch up to playoff hockey. I think we'll have problems with Montreal and Winnipeg's physical play right now.

I don't know where you're pulling the idea I suggested we need 4 mammoth defensemen - as a reminder I'm talking about swapping in Oleksiak for Dermott. To me, this significantly upgrades the physical properties of our 3rd pairing, and insulates our left side against injury to Muzzin or Rielly (with a far, far, far more phyiscal presence).

Oleksiak is arguably just as mobile as Dermott and you've said yourself they're pretty much a wash, so I don't see how you can also contradict yourself thinking that there's threat of that third pairing not handling the puck well with Oleksiak. There is more than one reason why Dallas uses his alongside Heiskanen or Klingberg - but I'm sure you can figure that out if you really wanted to.

 

[ShaneFalco]

We handled Winnipeg's physical play just fine
But yes I would like a little more jam - Foligno

 

[4thline]

I think there's merit to a guy like Oleksiak being an upgrade on Dermott in the top 6 for they playoffs, and the top 4 if an injury happens. Its slight but it's there.

That being said, I only do it if the cap works to keep Dermott as the 7. That gives us a much more resilient and reliable 7 man group. Right now we're two injuries away from Marincin in the top 4 or a Marincin lead sheltered to shit by necessity 3rd pair.

 

[dubplatepressure]

We handled Winnipeg's physical play just fine
But yes I would like a little more jam - Foligno

If Campbell didn't make 3 or 4 5-bell saves the game would have went sideways. I see too many similarities to previous year's situations. What happens when Campbell comes back down to a reasonable playing level?

 

[SprDaVE]

I think there's merit to a guy like Oleksiak being an upgrade on Dermott in the top 6 for they playoffs, and the top 4 if an injury happens. Its slight but it's there.

That being said, I only do it if the cap works to keep Dermott as the 7. That gives us a much more resilient and reliable 7 man group. Right now we're two injuries away from Marincin in the top 4 or a Marincin lead sheltered to shit by necessity 3rd pair.

We could do a lot worst than having Marincin being 2 injuries away from seeing the lineup. This is assuming that you don't see Sandin, Liljegren and Rosen as being better.

This board has this obsession with injuries being around the corner to failure. Every single team in this league is 2 injuries away from having a Marincin in their lineup, maybe even top 4.