Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Drew311]

I don't think Gustafsson unseats either of Holl or Timmins. He's offensively gifted but he's really poor defensively, like, really, really bad. I think that trade was Sandin for a 1st rounder and Gus was included to free up a contact spot and give the Leafs some NHL calibre depth on D, but I really doubt he's in their plans.

The Leafs are his seventh NHL team since 2019-20. He looks great on paper, but on the ice, it's a different story.

He's been playing top pairing minutes with TVR for the last couple of months, and has been doing a pretty good job. I think his defensive issues are being overstated. It's possible the guy can figure that type of thing out.

 

[WTFMAN99]

McCabe-Brodie
Rielly-Liljegren/Schenn
Gio-Schenn/Liljegren
Gustafsson-Timmins

2M Holl seems like the odd guy out...

 

[Americanadian]

I assume we waive Gustafson if nothing else gets done then you have 8

I hope not. He is arguably better than Holl, Schenn, Timmins. He's been playing 20 minutes/game in Washington.

 

[ER89]

im calling a cheeky lil crouse trade

 

[TMLeafer]

How long before TV networks complain to Gary and he puts out a warning about devaluing trade deadline day coverage?

 

[rocketman588]

I hope not. He is arguably better than Holl, Schenn, Timmins. He's been playing 20 minutes/game in Washington.

Well then no clue lol just made the most sense cap wise and I'm assuming we won't waive Timmins

 

[Thornbury]

I assume we waive Gustafson if nothing else gets done then you have 8

Based on his stats this year, he at least has to be worth a 5th rounder to a playoff team for quality depth.

 

[rocketman588]

How long before TV networks complain to Gary and he puts out a warning about devaluing trade deadline day coverage?

As long as his yotes can trade assets for injured players they don't have to pay he's fine

 

[Rielly4]

I think Justin Holl should go. Schenn deserves to be in the lineup IMO. We need that physicality on a nightly basis. Holl will also give us cap space to add something else up front. Kerf + Holl cap space is 5.5 mil.

 

[FerrisRox]

He's been playing top pairing minutes with TVR for the last couple of months, and has been doing a pretty good job. I think his defensive issues are being overstated. It's possible the guy can figure that type of thing out.

I wouldn't trust him. I suspect the Leafs will add to their defence and all of this will be a moot point, but I don't think he should be anything other than a Plan B for the Maple Leafs in the playoffs.

That being said, I like this deal for them, even if Gus wasn't included at all. Flipping Sandin for a 1st rounder, even a late first rounder, is a win for the Leafs.

Sandin was often over-rated around here. He was a big factor in the Leafs losing against the Canadiens because they exploited him because he played scared, was easily rattled and mades mistakes. I didn't see the growth I would have liked to see out of him since then, either.

I don't think they wanted him to see the ice in their best case scenario in the playoffs and if you can't trust him to play in those games then I think it was wise to cut bait while they could still get a 1st round pick for him.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[BertCorbeau]

Holl’s gotta be gone next….

Guess Kerfoot to Vancouver isn’t happenjng

But this opens up a spot for Knies or McMann if not another trade

I do worry about team chemistry though and so many new guys learning the system. Big adjustments coming up. This is A LOT of change.

Clearly Dubas is seeing the same red flags with this group so he’s scorching the depth.

 

[ER89]

I wouldn't trust him. I suspect the Leafs will add to their defence and all of this will be a moot point, but I don't think he should be anything other than a Plan B for the Maple Leafs in the playoffs.

That being said, I like this deal for them, even if Gus wasn't included at all. Flipping Sandin for a 1st rounder, even a late first rounder, is a win for the Leafs.

Sandin was often over-rated around here. He was a big factor in the Leafs losing against the Canadiens because they exploited him because he played scared, was easily rattled and mades mistakes. I didn't see the growth I would have liked to see out of him since then, either.

I don't think they wanted him to see the ice in their best case scenario in the playoffs and if you can't trust him to play in those games then I think it was wise to cut bait while they could still get a 1st round pick for him.

sandin is also only 22.

Like.... he's a kid. Growth takes time.

 

[FerrisRox]

I wouldn't trust him. I suspect the Leafs will add to their defence and all of this will be a moot point

... And they just added Schenn.

 

[HolyCrap]

How long before TV networks complain to Gary and he puts out a warning about devaluing trade deadline day coverage?

I laughed but honestly the scary part is it wouldn’t surprise me if that became true. Lol.

 

[Altair]

What the hell is even happening? I can't keep up with all the Dubas trades today lol there is hardly enough time to react!

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Uhhhhhhh

 

[SprDaVE]

Holl’s gotta be gone next….

Guess Kerfoot to Vancouver isn’t happenjng

But this opens up a spot for Knies or McMann if not another trade

I do worry about team chemistry though and so many new guys learning the system. Big adjustments coming up. This is A LOT of change.

Clearly Dubas is seeing the same red flags with this group so he’s scorching the depth.

I am very worried about team chemistry. I don't think this level of roster changing made any sense. But yeah, it feels like they were not happy with how players were progressing and playing.

I hope it works out. This is absurd but I am excited.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Holl’s gotta be gone next….

Guess Kerfoot to Vancouver isn’t happenjng

But this opens up a spot for Knies or McMann if not another trade

I do worry about team chemistry though and so many new guys learning the system. Big adjustments coming up. This is A LOT of change.

Clearly Dubas is seeing the same red flags with this group so he’s scorching the depth.

I don't think we're gonna struggle with guys picking up the system to be honest. Guys on Overdrive say it etc all the time, it's the same 2-3 systems for every team in the league.

 

[ULF_55]

So trade a 22 year old defender learning the game with speed issues for a 33 year old UFA defender with speed issues.

1st. round pick isn't going to help them win in the playoffs for 4-5 years.

 

[Burnie97]

I feel like Dubas has won a lot of people over that haven't ever been big fans.

You can't say that he hasn't tried. He's going all in. This is getting bonkers.

I hope the change over with all the new guys will gel together quickly.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Not really a fan of all these moves just for the sake of it. The Leafs aren't any better by swapping out Sandin/Engvall for Gustavsson/Schenn, and it seems like it hasn't gone over well with the other Swedish players. Hopefully this is just a precursor to another quality addition, otherwise it just makes the team worse in the short and long terms

 

[mapleleafs34]

So trade a 22 year old defender learning the game with speed issues for a 33 year old UFA defender with speed issues.

1st. round pick isn't going to help them win in the playoffs for 4-5 years.

I highly doubt that 1st round pick is going to be used by the leafs

 

[leafsfan5]

We have 9 NHL defenseman

Something has to give

 

[ER89]

the only way this sandin trade makes sense is 1) he asked for it, or 2) we use that pick and get us a top 6 winger, or 3) somehow a dude like saros becomes available.


........................................... lets see