Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[baton elevated]

I do like Zadorov, still young too (27)

 

[Americanadian]

Here's an alternative thought: Minten has higher offensive upside than Knies. Knies is just more mature and closer to the NHL at the moment. That's because Knies is also 20 months older.

Conclusion: be very hesitant to trade either prospect but there's more to lose (potentially) in Minten. At the same age Minten is now Knies was under a ppg in a weaker league (USHL).

I'd be selling Sandin much more. I love the guy but we now have a very good understanding of his ceiling.

Are there any comparables in the league right now who had Minten’s production in their D+1 CHL season?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I'm subscribed to this.

I want to see previous seasons. My point was that that Gavrikov has a history of being a top 4 d-man. Schenn has always been a journey man, because his impacts have always been average to sub par.

Have you read Cam Charron's article on Schenn?

A scathing review from Cam for sure.

By all available evidence, Schenn would be an underwhelming pickup for his next team. He’s a physical defender that gives up lots of rushes against and a point producer that doesn’t create offence. He’s below average at moving the puck up the ice, is 33 years old and recently missed a game after tweaking something in his lower body. There are lots of red flags.

It’s not very likely Schenn will be a value add for a team in a trade. If I were working for a team and was confronted with this evidence, I might be arguing against my team acquiring him. If Schenn is worse than average on a poor defensive team such as the Canucks, can he even crack the everyday top-six on a contending team like the Boston Bruins, Toronto Maple Leafs or Carolina Hurricanes?

Though he is a Holl fan so how good can his analysis be. But sure, seems like it’d be a waste when the Leafs could just up the ante a bit and try to get a guy like Jensen or even McCabe though I’m less of a fan of the latter than the former.

 

[Sypher04]

Those looking for a Muzzin replacement that can play a heavy game and give a little scare into oppositions (corner and net front) can look to these three
Chris Tanev (played well with Reilly likes to hit

Zadorv ( huge man , bone jarring hits only 27

Ristolainen ( big man , physical, dirty at times)
Both teams should be sellers.

Tanev would be ideal in a lot of ways, but not really an option. Calgary trading for Niederreiter would indicate they see themselves are buyers, not sellers

 

[Burnie97]

That first one is kind of a weird tweet. Like, if a trade isn’t done, then why would you ever tell a team they’re out on a player? Just tell them, they’d need to improve their offer. Meier has no trade protection, so it’s not like the player said he wouldn’t go to Carolina

Yeah who knows what goes on behind the scenes.

Maybe it has more to do with Carolina knowing he won't resign there so they thought it was too much to give up for 1 run.... I don't know.

 

[SprDaVE]

How in the hell are Vegas in this? They must be offering a ton of picks.

Tanev would be ideal in a lot of ways, but not really an option. Calgary trading for Niederreiter would indicate they see themselves are buyers, not sellers

Winnipeg got Nino... not Calgary.

 

[justashadowof]

Are there any comparables in the league right now who had Minten’s production in their D+1 CHL season?

I'll leave that up to you.

 

[Sypher04]

How in the hell are Vegas in this? They must be offering a ton of picks.



Winnipeg got Nino... not Calgary.

Oh, right lol. My brain is playing tricks on me

Yeah who knows what goes on behind the scenes.

Maybe it has more to do with Carolina knowing he won't resign there so they thought it was too much to give up for 1 run.... I don't know.

Okay, I could see that possibly

 

[nuck]

That first one is kind of a weird tweet. Like, if a trade isn’t done, then why would you ever tell a team they’re out on a player? Just tell them, they’d need to improve their offer. Meier has no trade protection, so it’s not like the player said he wouldn’t go to Carolina

It may be the Canes made their final take it or leave it offer and the response was "we're leaving it".

 

[LeafSteel]

That first one is kind of a weird tweet. Like, if a trade isn’t done, then why would you ever tell a team they’re out on a player? Just tell them, they’d need to improve their offer. Meier has no trade protection, so it’s not like the player said he wouldn’t go to Carolina

I take this as SJ telling Carolina that their current offer is not competitive enough and to either up it or be out of the Meier sweepstakes…

 

[TMLAM34]

That first one is kind of a weird tweet. Like, if a trade isn’t done, then why would you ever tell a team they’re out on a player? Just tell them, they’d need to improve their offer. Meier has no trade protection, so it’s not like the player said he wouldn’t go to Carolina

Maybe Carolinas offer and even an improved offer still wasn’t close to what New Jersey or Vegas have been offering?

Hopefully Vegas wins the race. He’d look good in New Jersey though I wouldn’t lie lol.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Here's an alternative thought: Minten has higher offensive upside than Knies. Knies is just more mature and closer to the NHL at the moment. That's because Knies is also 20 months older.

Conclusion: be very hesitant to trade either prospect but there's more to lose (potentially) in Minten. At the same age Minten is now Knies was under a ppg in a weaker league (USHL).

I'd be selling Sandin much more. I love the guy but we now have a very good understanding of his ceiling.

What makes you think Minten has more offensive potential?

I would say what Knies has done post draft in the NCAA is more difficult to do than what Minten has done in the WHL.

 

[baton elevated]

Tanev is still a bit injury prone but much better. He would definitely fit the bill and still 31yr old.
Zadorov is a hulking mean man and loves to hit. In front of the net he doesn't allow any stand ins. He will chop, cross check and break ankles with no qualm.

 

[Sypher04]

Tanev is still a bit injury prone but much better. He would definitely fit the bill and still 31yr old.
Zadorov is a hulking mean man and loves to hit. In front of the net he doesn't allow any stand ins. He will chop, cross check and break ankles with no qualm.

33, but agree.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

I'm not big into Schenn. He can be useful as a #6-7, which is what he was in Tampa (didn't dress in all playoff games) - and I feel like people are forgetting that someone 1-6 has to come out for a D man to go in. If you're going to sit Sandin or Holl (#3LD or #3RD) - there needs to be a tangible upgrade on either guy to justify paying more futures.

Also feels like a guy like Nick Jensen would cost similar to what Schenn would cost (slightly more - but comparable) - and I feel a lot better about taking Holl out for Jensen than I do Schenn tbh.

 

[Eye Test]

Zadorov sucks…I like the style of player but nah, we’re to quick of a team in transition etc for him. He wouldn’t fit that well with our skill guys. Need someone to push the D down, not a worse third pair guy.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Are there any comparables in the league right now who had Minten’s production in their D+1 CHL season?

I think Acciari is a pretty good projection for what Minten brings. High end ceiling maybe he can bring it on the 3rd line but think he'll be a gritty 4th liner without size but you don't notice it. Very nice piece to have in a prospect pool.

But not sure he's untouchable for me in the right deal. Mainly if a player we like with some term is available.

 

[Kiwi]

These one-off examples are not instructive. You can easily point to Giordano winning the Norris at 36 as the other extreme. Muzzin was an extremely physical dman for over a decade - that will wear out a player much quicker than usual. Karlsson is the same age as Ekholm and is looking better than ever and about to take down a Norris. Hedman is also 32.

Not to mention that Muzzin was still perfectly effective last year and were it not for the unfortunate injury who knows how long he could have remained a contributor.

Muzzin had a good playoffs but he struggled mightily last season and his body was obviously breaking down

A lot of us wanted out of that contract last season and I can't say we were wrong looking at what's happened

Hedman, Karlsson and Gio don't play like those other guys, if you aren't overly physical your body isn't as likely to break down once you get into your 30's

Physical guys with a ton of tough miles on there body's tend to fall off a cliff, that's why you don't want them at the backend of long expensive contracts, you want them early in those contacts then once you have the best out of them you get rid of them before they become a problem

That's just good business, like Tampa with McDonagh

 

[baton elevated]

Zadorov sucks…I like the style of player but nah, we’re to quick of a team in transition etc for him. He wouldn’t fit that well with our skill guys. Need someone to push the D down, not a worse third pair guy.

I watch flames games because I am out west so i see alot of him. He is tall 6'5 and has a lot of range to keep players to the outside. If he gets you anywhere near the boards you are getting plastered. I like my teams built like the old HABS, large defenses and speedy forwards. It's a recipe that still works. We need that mean element (at least one guy) back there. All our guys are on the soft side.

 

[nuck]

Those looking for a Muzzin replacement that can play a heavy game and give a little scare into oppositions (corner and net front) can look to these three
Chris Tanev (played well with Reilly likes to hit

Zadorv ( huge man , bone jarring hits only 27

Ristolainen ( big man , physical, dirty at times)
Both teams should be sellers.

Calgary is built around veterans and this year looks like a goalie driven anomalie.. I can't see them moving out anything the Leafs would want unless its Sutter. Risto is as you say but the pieces don't seem to translate to good results. He is now 5th in TOI for the Flyers. I am a little spooked about any player on that club as they are floundering.

 

[ER89]

Zadorov sucks…I like the style of player but nah, we’re to quick of a team in transition etc for him. He wouldn’t fit that well with our skill guys. Need someone to push the D down, not a worse third pair guy.

Our second line is ass in transition by merit of how slow ror and jt are. And who cares if our fourth line is good, they're not scoring.

I can't remember the last time I saw a goal off the rush by engvall or jarnkrok.

 

[SprDaVE]

I will be utterly shocked if Vegas wins this... but I hope so.

 

[ULF_55]

Sandin is terrible on the right side.

You can add, he's a 22 year old LD with about 4 NHL games on RD.
Might want to add, one of his horrific games on RD was with Rielly earlier this year when Rielly had his head up his own butt.

 

[stickty111]

Also there isn't really much value in Schenn. In fact between him and Benn, the quality is about the same and you aren't spending a 3rd for Benn since he's already here assuming he clears waivers.
If you aren't going higher in Jensen or whoever else, just stick with what we have which is fine anyways.

 

[stickty111]

A scathing review from Cam for sure.



Though he is a Holl fan so how good can his analysis be. But sure, seems like it’d be a waste when the Leafs could just up the ante a bit and try to get a guy like Jensen or even McCabe though I’m less of a fan of the latter than the former.

If Dubas replaces Holl for Schenn, he should be getting a ton of criticism his way, but I doubt it happens.
Jensen would be ideal. You add another guy who can eat up tough mins, and can take Holl's place if he struggles or at least take some of the burden off Holl.
This way you have Brodie, Holl, Gio, Jensen, Liljegren, and maybe Rielly who can take on tough minutes.
You could even stick Jensen on the top pair if you want. Lots of options.