Confirmed with Link: Trade with the Washington Capitals, Beck Malenstyn for 2nd round (#43)

[SundherDome]

Or you could pay 1500 for a push mower like the Sabres.

They didn't re-sign Jost ...

 

[old kummelweck]

Any word when we are going to hear from tweedle dee and tweedle dee-er?

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

If only he'd outbid NJD for Cotter

 

[Sabre Dance]

Was I supposed to be upset over this move?

 

[Sabre Dance]

If only he'd outbid NJD for Cotter

Our GM doesn’t want to trade his prospects.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Our GM doesn’t want to trade his prospects.

That was not exactly a value trade by NJD....

 

[Irie]

Bwahaha ok bud. Maybes ifs and buts

Jeannot for a 2nd and a 4th

Would you have wanted to trade Johan Larsson for a 3rd in 2018? I wouldn't have.

There is zero incentive for teams to trade their good botttom six forwards if they are on good contracts. You have to pony up to pry them away, that is what this is.

Personally I am reserving judgement on the move until I see the player play in Ruff's system. The bottom six is better today than it was yesterday. Is it enough better to justify the opportunity cost lost of the player they could have drafted at 43? That is yet to be determined, but complaining about it before we know is unproductive.

 

[TehDoak]

"Our Pro scouts were pounding the table for this guy"

Your pro scout, Kevyn. Singular.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

some comments from Adams on trade in beginning

 

[Zman5778]

"Our Pro scouts were pounding the table for this guy"

Your pro scout, Kevyn. Singular.

No. He's got two now. He hired one fairly recently.

 

[old kummelweck]

some comments from Adams on trade in beginning

Forton very candid on who they missed out on.

 

[Ralonzo]

Forton very candid on who they missed out on.

I'm assuming one of the F's was Basha and one was Koivu. No idea on the G he "just missed" in the fourth, the last G taken before 108/109 was Jakub Milota at #99.

Kaleta was mentioned above, but I think it's more Ruff's M.O. to have a sheriff on the 4th line who can also "play a role" as Adams put it, like a Gaustad or Marcus Foligno. The loss of those guys was more impactful than it seemed like it would be at the time; maybe this addition will be the same in reverse.

 

[slip]

We just slightly overpaid for a 4th line grinder, and I couldn’t be happier. Adams deserves credit here for flipping the first rounder. Great asset management. Go Kev.

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

Overall, I'm fine with this pickup. It's an overpay in my eyes, but relatively low risk because it's a 4th liner and only a 2nd round pick.

While he brings speed, grit, and physicality to our bottom 6, which we badly need, I would have preferred a guy with those qualities who also has a track record of being effective. Not saying he can't be good for us, but there are players available who I already know would be good for us because they've been good in the role for multiple years.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Would you have wanted to trade Johan Larsson for a 3rd in 2018? I wouldn't have.

There is zero incentive for teams to trade their good botttom six forwards if they are on good contracts. You have to pony up to pry them away, that is what this is.

Personally I am reserving judgement on the move until I see the player play in Ruff's system. The bottom six is better today than it was yesterday. Is it enough better to justify the opportunity cost lost of the player they could have drafted at 43? That is yet to be determined, but complaining about it before we know is unproductive.

I get this but we traded for his rights, he still needs to be signed.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Overall, I'm fine with this pickup. It's an overpay in my eyes, but relatively low risk because it's a 4th liner and only a 2nd round pick.

While he brings speed, grit, and physicality to our bottom 6, which we badly need, I would have preferred a guy with those qualities who also has a track record of being effective. Not saying he can't be good for us, but there are players available who I already know would be good for us because they've been good in the role for multiple years.

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Is your opinion on him not being effective based on that chart/stats or watching him?

And I don’t mean that to be rude, there seems to be a disconnect between the charts and people who watched him last year

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

Is your opinion on him not being effective based on that chart/stats or watching him?

I have watched him play both in Hershey and in Washington, but didn't focus that much on him specifically to act like I've scouted him or know a lot about him. When I said "effective", I was referring to his charts, which don't show the kind of underlying results I'd like to see. For example, I'd hope to see a better PK number for a guy we are going to use on the PK.

As I said, I'm not drawing any conclusions about what he can do for us, or even saying that I don't like acquiring him. I'm simply saying he doesn't have a track record of being super effective according to the metrics and there are players out there that bring the same things he brings but do have that track record as well.

 

[dotcommunism]

Don't really like the cost for a player with only one year of team control. Guess it depends on what kind of contract they sign him to.

 

[pigpen65]

Now I understand why Adams doesn't make trades more often. Oooof

 

[Chainshot]

Overall, I'm fine with this pickup. It's an overpay in my eyes, but relatively low risk because it's a 4th liner and only a 2nd round pick.

While he brings speed, grit, and physicality to our bottom 6, which we badly need, I would have preferred a guy with those qualities who also has a track record of being effective. Not saying he can't be good for us, but there are players available who I already know would be good for us because they've been good in the role for multiple years.

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It's been laid out that that he was buried in d-zone use. This wasn't someone getting easy assignments, it was among the worst defensive deployment ratios in the entire league. The charts only give context and when guys get pummeled with 5-on-5 deployment in their own zone over 80%, and in this case over 90%, it isn't because they are bad defensively, it's because they are in their own zone constantly while six other players are getting the offensive bulk of deployment.

 

[Jim Bob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807074534362612129

 

[old kummelweck]

I believe a better term for overpay is 'sabres price'.

 

[Irie]

I get this but we traded for his rights, he still needs to be signed.

Ok, but the point is that he is not on a really bad contract, which is typically the only time good bottom six players are available. Good bottom six guys that aren't being grossly overpaid are rarely ever available, so you have to pay a premium to acquire one, which is what happened today.

 

[Professor Chaos]

ICANT

I don't care about the trade, I care that Washington gave a 2nd to get Mangipane and then got a 2nd back to move out a 4th liner. A 2nd for a top 9 two way player and then got a 2nd for a 4th liner with 8 goals in 100 something games played.

The only thing that can make me ok now is if Adams says he tried to talk to Mangiapane and he said no.

So many flavors and you ALWAYS choose salty...Mangiapane, while a good two way player, has a cap hit of $5.8 MM...No thanks...

 

[tsujimoto74]

Hi, Caps fan here! Not gonna try to convince you guys this was good value, but just wanted to chime in on the models that hate Beck. I wrote a post on the Caps board about a month ago about why that is and why they're wrong, so I'll post that here in case anyone's interested.



There's no way the Caps would've traded Beck for a 4th. This wasn't a guy they were shopping, no Caps fans expected him to be moved, and they don't have anyone in the system waiting in the wings to fill the same role. The Caps this past year had a top 9 with nothing but defensively irresponsible centers, so they leaned on their "4th" line to handle the entire defensive load. In practice, the "4th" line was 2nd or 3rd in ice time every night. That line flew under the radar of national attention because the only thing anyone watches the Caps for nowadays is Ovie, but they dragged the Caps to the playoffs, and based on the moves the Caps have made so far they were banking on it doing the same thing again this year.

This trade only happened because the Sabres wowed the Caps with an offer for a guy they didn't want to move. I guarantee you a "fair value" offer of a 4th or even a 3rd would not have been enough for the Caps to say yes.

The first one.

Thanks for visiting! Hopefully some of the naysayers will see this.

Overall, I'm fine with this pickup. It's an overpay in my eyes, but relatively low risk because it's a 4th liner and only a 2nd round pick.

While he brings speed, grit, and physicality to our bottom 6, which we badly need, I would have preferred a guy with those qualities who also has a track record of being effective. Not saying he can't be good for us, but there are players available who I already know would be good for us because they've been good in the role for multiple years.

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This isn’t capturing the role he played at all. Guy was playing probably among the toughest defensive matchup role of any forward in the NHL. He’s a very strong defensive addition.