Speculation: Trade Targets (Part II)

[do0glas]

Can this team make a run? They are definitely Jekyll and hyde right now, just looking at the standings...

With the last few wins we can likely stay out of the 7/8 seed if we can string together wins. So id like to say we see wild or red wings or we could be very fortuitous and get wild THEN red wings. Either way we can avoid the ducks and hawks.

Second positive is that Dallas and edmonton can easily slip into those last two spots. Taking out the blues in the process.

Wild, canucks, kings, stars, and oil? I like those match ups. We have a ton of tape on the ducks as well but id rather get them in a later round.

But to segues into the topic we absoluteky need another forward. Preferably a second liner. I could see this line up doing damage.

Havlat-jt-burns
Marleau-couture-wingels
xxx-pavs-tj
Sheppard-gomez-desi
Burish
zeus
kennedy

Pavs with a decent shooter and forechecker will have a lot of zone time. No line has a weaknlink defensively or in possession except maybe galiardi, but Sheppard or Gomez can step up.

I for one advocate keeping burns up top. The youngsters have shown the tools to positively influence a rush and while long term burns may need to anchor the 1 spot (Boyle retires) this line up gives us the best chance to out score our opponents.

 

[Barrie22]

Khokhlachev isn't in the NHL though.
Maybe they are looking at players like Miller/Kreider or Gallagher/Eller.

Isn't Koko in the AHL right now? That's what I mean - if the assumption that it's a prospect, then it must be one currently playing in the NHL.

bleh, it was 5am when i wrote that. i have no idea, all these prospects and where they play and who they play for are just starting to mesh together. just trade the lazy bugger already so we don't have to think about this any more lol.

 

[Sharksfan83]

Do you think a guy like Jordan Caron could be available? Even if we had to add? I liked the kid at the draft, he has been taken along slowly and I feel he adds something to this team that we could use. (Apart from Elite speed =/ )

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Do you think a guy like Jordan Caron could be available? Even if we had to add? I liked the kid at the draft, he has been taken along slowly and I feel he adds something to this team that we could use. (Apart from Elite speed =/ )

Hes not very good.

 

[KirbyDots]

Do you think a guy like Jordan Caron could be available? Even if we had to add? I liked the kid at the draft, he has been taken along slowly and I feel he adds something to this team that we could use. (Apart from Elite speed =/ )

Yeah, he's who the Bruins fans want us to take instead of Koko.

 

[hockeyball]

Do you think a guy like Jordan Caron could be available? Even if we had to add? I liked the kid at the draft, he has been taken along slowly and I feel he adds something to this team that we could use. (Apart from Elite speed =/ )

They are including him in EVERY trade proposal, he sucks.

 

[magic school bus]

Khokhlachev isn't in the NHL though.
Maybe they are looking at players like Miller/Kreider or Gallagher/Eller.

And Montreal played Tinordi & Beaulieu in games when JFJ was in attendance.

 

[magic school bus]

They are including him in EVERY trade proposal, he sucks.

Bingo

 

[19sharks19]

Hes not very good.

Yeh, two of my brother in laws are Bruins fans and they are both hoping we take him in a potential deal. Bruins fans would probably be laughing at us if we did.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I am opposed to giving up Demers. Would rather give up Abeltshauser, Demelo, Tennyson, etc...

 

[Juxtaposer]

I am opposed to giving up Demers. Would rather give up Abeltshauser, Demelo, Tennyson, etc...

Of course, me too. But Demers has much more value than they do.

 

[murdock1116]

Since the Montreal GM is new and the team is fairly young. I don't see him aggressively going after Clowe. I bet Boston wins the sweepstakes between the two.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Of course, me too. But Demers has much more value than they do.

It is possible that Demers told DW that he doesn't want to be a Shark anymore. In that case, I would understand a trade...

 

[Barrie22]

Since the Montreal GM is new and the team is fairly young. I don't see him aggressively going after Clowe. I bet Boston wins the sweepstakes between the two.

montreal would be stupid to not go after clowe, he is a deterent to lucic. and when he's playing his game is just as gifted offensively as lucic.

if montreal lets boston (knowingly) win the clowe sweeptakes (if there really is any). then they deserve the beat down they will receive at the hands of boston.

 

[Juxtaposer]

montreal would be stupid to not go after clowe, he is a deterent to lucic. and when he's playing his game is just as gifted offensively as lucic.

if montreal lets boston (knowingly) win the clowe sweeptakes (if there really is any). then they deserve the beat down they will receive at the hands of boston.

Honestly, I'd say he's more offensively gifted than Lucic. Lucic is the single most overrated player in the league in my opinion. He gets touted as a 30 goals scorer, but he only scored 30 that one time because he got five empty net goals that year.

 

[TheSandman]

I'm curious to know what this package would fetch:

Clowe
Braun or Demers
2nd rd pick (PIT)

in return:

NHL ready top prospect
1st rd pick

or

Good prospect
1st rd pick
Excellent bottom 6 player

I'm not keen on moving Braun or Demers in general, but that package should fetch a sweet return.

 

[Vaasa]

I'm curious to know what this package would fetch:

Clowe
Braun or Demers
2nd rd pick (PIT)

in return:

NHL ready top prospect
1st rd pick

or

Good prospect
1st rd pick
Excellent bottom 6 player

I'm not keen on moving Braun or Demers in general, but that package should fetch a sweet return.

IMO that a terrible return. DW is reportedly letting teams discuss a contract extension with Clowe. A signed Clowe should be worth a low first and high-end prospect, or a mid-to-high first and good prospect. Add in Demers (top-4 puck moving D) or Braun (4-5 2-way D), who are both on great contracts AND a 2nd and you better be getting a whole hell of a lot more than a 1st and top-prospect. Unless that prospect is of insanely high-value (like top-3 overall range who is killing it).

And this is from someone well known for being a fan of prospects.

 

[magic school bus]

Luckily for us, Demers got injured so the odds of him getting traded are lower. I hope.

 

[Vaasa]

Demers, right now, is not a top-4 puck-moving D. Braun is on a great contract; Demers is up this year.

My preference would be to keep Demers and Braun. If one has to be traded, trade Braun.

Demers, right now, may not be. But he has been a top-4 PMD on the Sharks in the past, and I fully expect he will be again (assuming DW doesn't through him away as part of some idiotic move). Also, while his contract his up, he's still an RFA and they have certainly limited his time enough that he probably won't get a big raise. Although there may be a real risk that he will hold out and demand a trade.

And while I would also prefer to keep both (and don't see any reason to trade any of the D other than Boyle at this point), I agree that if one should be moved it should be Braun.

Out of the defensive prospects though, I really want to hold on to Abeltshauser. Something tells me he may end up being something very special.

 

[SJeasy]

IMO that a terrible return. DW is reportedly letting teams discuss a contract extension with Clowe. A signed Clowe should be worth a low first and high-end prospect, or a mid-to-high first and good prospect. Add in Demers (top-4 puck moving D) or Braun (4-5 2-way D), who are both on great contracts AND a 2nd and you better be getting a whole hell of a lot more than a 1st and top-prospect. Unless that prospect is of insanely high-value (like top-3 overall range who is killing it).

And this is from someone well known for being a fan of prospects.

A signed contract distinctly raises the value. Part of the value of trades is years left on a contract unless the contract is a dramatic overpay. I could see Clowe being worth a late first (Boston/Montreal) and a VERY good prospect (someone almost guaranteed to be at least a tweener and NHL ready) if Clowe comes with a signed extension.

 

[TheSandman]

IMO that a terrible return. DW is reportedly letting teams discuss a contract extension with Clowe. A signed Clowe should be worth a low first and high-end prospect, or a mid-to-high first and good prospect. Add in Demers (top-4 puck moving D) or Braun (4-5 2-way D), who are both on great contracts AND a 2nd and you better be getting a whole hell of a lot more than a 1st and top-prospect. Unless that prospect is of insanely high-value (like top-3 overall range who is killing it).

And this is from someone well known for being a fan of prospects.

Yea, this assumes an unsigned Clowe. And by "NHL ready top prospect" I mean someone who can step in and contribute right away.

 

[Jargon]

Yeah, very much not into trading Demers. Aside from him being our only Boyle-lite type of player, he's also the only Jew on the team-- so unless we're getting Cammalleri back, I DO NOT CONDONE A TRADE.

 

[Barrie22]

Yeah, very much not into trading Demers. Aside from him being our only Boyle-lite type of player, he's also the only Jew on the team-- so unless we're getting Cammalleri back, I DO NOT CONDONE A TRADE.

did i miss something or did we trade burns? granted burns might be boyle plus, since he is better defensively then boyle is.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Demers, right now, may not be. But he has been a top-4 PMD on the Sharks in the past, and I fully expect he will be again (assuming DW doesn't through him away as part of some idiotic move). Also, while his contract his up, he's still an RFA and they have certainly limited his time enough that he probably won't get a big raise. Although there may be a real risk that he will hold out and demand a trade.

And while I would also prefer to keep both (and don't see any reason to trade any of the D other than Boyle at this point), I agree that if one should be moved it should be Braun.

Out of the defensive prospects though, I really want to hold on to Abeltshauser. Something tells me he may end up being something very special.

There is simply too much depth on the blueline.

Assuming that the Sharks keep everyone, and pending Demers inking a long-term deal, Burns, Vlasic, Stuart, and one of Demers/Braun are SJ's top-4 D-group going forwards. That is a very solid top-4, assuming Demers/Braun pan(s) out. Moreover, there is the other half of the Demers/Braun pair, plus, Matt Irwin. There are your 6 NHL-dmen, of whom only Brad Stuart is "old".

So, where can these prospects fit? There is the issue of getting the prospect any consistent time on the NHL roster, plus, once he develops, finding him a slot on the top-four. The squeeze is already occurring. Robinson said that Petrecki is NHL-ready; there is just no room for him. He's never going to get time to develop. This will be the story for any prospect d-men who cannot force his way into the SJ lineup through sheer talent alone.

Of course, one should have contingencies. Personally, I think that Irwin and Braun are more 5/6 talents. When Stuart starts to decline, I'm not confident that either can fill the gap. So yes, you hope that one of:
Tennyson/Acolaste/Doherty/Abeltshauser/Demelo/Moffie/Sefton/Petrecki
can replace Stuart a few years down the line. Maybe even Braun or Irwin grow into the role.

But ultimately, the majority of those prospects useless to the organization as anything but a tradeable asset. They chances are low that any of those players can surpass the contributions of any D-man in SJ's current top-4. Then, SJ's defense is currently young enough that outside of Stuart, no one is going to need replacing due to age-related decline.

 

[Jargon]

did i miss something or did we trade burns? granted burns might be boyle plus, since he is better defensively then boyle is.

Burns is a different defenseman. He's fantastic, no doubt, but he's a different type of defenseman, in my opinion. I almost see Braun as a Burns-lite and Demers as a Boyle-lite - the latter is shifty, a good passer and can run a PP. Burns can too, but he is more of a rush up the ice and take a shot kinda guy.