murdock1116
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I don't think I would care after scoring 3 games in a row and I'm still getting 1st line PP and PK time.
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I don't think I would care after scoring 3 games in a row and I'm still getting 1st line PP and PK time.
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Ok sure, but in general, you wouldn't be super thrilled having to anchor Kyle Wellwood and Torrey Mitchell all the time right?
Point is we want to keep Pavelski happy and sticking him with terrible third liners all the time is not going to do that.
Right now he's playing with excellent 3rd liners, theres a big difference.
Tkachuk4MVP
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Murdock beat me to it. He had the most ice time of any forward last night and scored another goal, I'm sure he's fine with the move.
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You are missing my point. At that point, its not the third line anymore, hence he's not centering the 3rd line. Centering the 3rd line is having guys like Mitchell on your wing doing nothing usefull, he's not going to be happy doing that long term. That's what we were talking about, not playing with Clowe/Wingels/Sheppard/etc
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There's basically two top 6 player on every line right now, I'm not sure you can distinguish between the top 3 lines anymore. If anything, it's a 3rd line in name only, it's not something to be completely butthurt about especially when he gets the most ice time.
The 4th line could easily be a 3rd line too.
The 4th line could easily be a 3rd line too.
Tkachuk4MVP
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And you're missing mine. When I said Pavs should have never left the 3rd line, I meant they should have crafted a quality line around him to spread out the scoring. You said that Pavs would be unhappy being "relegated to the 3rd line" full time (not the first time I've heard that), but the 3rd line label is irrelevant if you put quality players on it who are playing similar minutes to those of the 1st and 2nd liners.
I think you'd probably agree with me on most of this but I just wanted to clarify a bit.
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Well, it is a shortened season, which changes things. Plus, the Sharks's offense has struggled. Boyle has been on 19% of SJ's scoring this eason. Historically, he has hovered around 20-21%, so that is hardly a drop. Marleau had a terrible season a few years ago, and he bounced back with no issues.
I realize that his age is troublesome.
Define "lots".
I think it is highly unlikely. Demers's offense has cooled down significantly since his rookie season.
Again, this is just from what I know, but Boyle was a major mentor to Christian Ehrhoff, especially on Ehrhoff's shot. He also worked with Vlasic on his puck-moving skills. I don't know about Braun or Demers, but when I got this information, neither was a part of the team.
Plus, just from observations, he seems to be doing a good job with Irwin.
Burns is valuable in that he is a puck-rushing defenseman with a great shot. Physically, very gifted. A rich man's Christian Ehrhoff, with size. But he doesn't quite have Boyle's hockey smarts. I feel like team's need at least one elite puck-moving D-man. A rusher like Burns is more of a luxury. There is no one in the system who could be an elite puck-moving D-man, in all likelihood. Even around the NHL, there are few in number. It also does not hurt that Boyle can also skate with the puck very effectively.
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Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Demers is going to be an outstanding two way D man you can see as of late , really glad he is playing more...
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Preissing, Corvo, I could go on. When a righty is stuffed on the #1 PP unit for a season, he can rack up points. It's quoted by DW and others. 50 is a benchmark of being elite.
Give Demers #1 PP and put him consistently behind the top lines and he will score, mostly secondary assists. I have seen enough of his game that if he is cut loose, he will greatly improve from where he currently is. It is very common for teams to only give one guy permission to take risks on the blueline. It doesn't have to be explicit. All they have to do is excuse one guy and come down on all the rest for taking risks.
As for Ehrhoff and mentoring, Ehrhoff had Zettler and others and was working on his shot long before Boyle's arrival. In fact, he went back to Germany (article) to have the kinesiology mapped, sticks adjusted, etc. (no Boyle).
For the most part over his career, Boyle has been paired with defensive dmen who did not improve during his time with them and did not up their game by leaps and bounds afterwards. Guys like Luko and Murray and it goes back to his Tampa time. The same cannot be said for the guys I named.
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Hard position to be in, Do we sell a few aging parts for futures? Writing this season off, or do we use the two draft picks we just acquired to pick up a top 6 forward to increase our scoring depth?
I know Burns is playing great on the top line, but I think ultimately you'd like to move him back to D, and pick up a top6 player to fill the gap. Our best shot at success is rolling three lines with Pavelski centering his own line.
I know Burns is playing great on the top line, but I think ultimately you'd like to move him back to D, and pick up a top6 player to fill the gap. Our best shot at success is rolling three lines with Pavelski centering his own line.
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I don't think it's a hard position at all. DW stated that they deliberately had a bunch of the contracts expiring this and next year, with the idea that they might have to "re-tool" (I'm guessing on that last part).
No matter how good they have looked in the last couple of games, it's time to re-tool and on the fly. Move Clowe now. Move Handzus now if they can. Move Burish now if they can. Then in the offseason move Boyle and JT if they can get good deals for them and JT will waive his NTC.
They should get decent value for Boyle and JT, and hopefully good value for Clowe this year. Marleau and Havlat stick around for speed and "veteran" presence. Pavelski is signed to an extension and becomes the new Captain. Depending on the returns for JT and Boyle, maybe see if they can move "future considerations" for Jussi Jokinen to fill in on the top-9.
This should be the only plan right now. They should in no way think about wasting assets to "add depth" for the playoffs. Now is the time to sell, and at the draft. And hopefully shortly after the draft and the start of free agency, the main parts of the "re-tool" are done.
I agree with a couple exceptions. One, adding Jussi Jokinen. I don't think it'll really be necessary if they trade Boyle and JT. One of those trades, if not both, should be made with the thought of getting a young forward or two to add speed up front.
The other exception being I'd make Logan Couture the captain over Pavs. But obviously, Pavs is not a bad choice either.
Led Zappa
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Thornton's going nowhere. This is his team, as far as he's concerned, and he's not going to some team with NO chance at a cup and he's not going to a team where he's second fiddle.
Start making your rosterbations for the off season accordingly
Start making your rosterbations for the off season accordingly
Thornton's going nowhere. This is his team, as far as he's concerned, and he's not going to some team with NO chance at a cup and he's not going to a team where he's second fiddle.
Start making your rosterbations for the off season accordingly
I will continue to hope for otherwise, sir. Thank you very much.
So trade your number one D and the guy who is about 40% of your offense...makes sense to me....
who do you replace JT with?? Maybe we could get zetts, or Datsooook?..lol
I can see replacing Boyle with Burns but you still have to back fill a Burns style player up front. Burns is effective b/c he is relentless on the puck, has wheels for a big guy, and competes...even more than guys who are making more than him..hmmm
Funny you dont see any mention of Marleau ...interesting..in many circles he is one that is considered highly over-rated and doesn't posses the "it" factor.
i think you all should head over to the all-time SJ points leaders and the amount of time it took to get there...telling
If DW where smart he would keep both and float Pavs/Cooter, Marloo, and JT through the C for a 3 line attack..and find some guys who are relentless on the puck that also have some scoring touch...
who do you replace JT with?? Maybe we could get zetts, or Datsooook?..lol
I can see replacing Boyle with Burns but you still have to back fill a Burns style player up front. Burns is effective b/c he is relentless on the puck, has wheels for a big guy, and competes...even more than guys who are making more than him..hmmm
Funny you dont see any mention of Marleau ...interesting..in many circles he is one that is considered highly over-rated and doesn't posses the "it" factor.
i think you all should head over to the all-time SJ points leaders and the amount of time it took to get there...telling
If DW where smart he would keep both and float Pavs/Cooter, Marloo, and JT through the C for a 3 line attack..and find some guys who are relentless on the puck that also have some scoring touch...
Clarkington III
Rebuild? Refresh?
The point of it is to refresh the roster and get younger. At some point you'll need to part with these players and ideally you want to get the best value.
You replace them with players you draft and prospects that are NHL ready.
Led Zappa
Tomorrow Today
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie 21m MTL puts Tomas Kaberle on waivers.
Fear The Fin @fearthefin 2m
Remember when the Bruins traded a first and a top prospect for Tomas Kaberle two years ago? Good times.
Yes, there are worse GM's out there than DW
Fear The Fin @fearthefin 2m
Remember when the Bruins traded a first and a top prospect for Tomas Kaberle two years ago? Good times.
Yes, there are worse GM's out there than DW
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie 21m MTL puts Tomas Kaberle on waivers.
Fear The Fin @fearthefin 2m
Remember when the Bruins traded a first and a top prospect for Tomas Kaberle two years ago? Good times.
Yes, there are worse GM's out there than DW
Mike Pilsbury being the worst in the history of teh NHL!
