Speculation: Trade Talk V - Livin' for the Deadline

[haf]

That fan is wrong. For ***** and giggles, if Nill called Buffalo and offered Seguin straight up for Myers they would probably take it in half a second. Buffalo fans have been overrating Myers for so long now that it seems like most actually believe he holds Lindros type value.

I don't really want any part of Myers and his "potential". I'm not prepared to give up what it would take (still a lot but not Seguin and 2 first rounders) banking on potential.

lol. i like myers. but they over-value him to the point of insanity. His price tag is high for what he is right now. i like him for our squad because he fits our speed first skating approach and he is right handed more than anything. He just kind of fits. but not at the value buffalo fans have for him.

to clarify it was Seguin straight up OR Nuke and 2 first rounders. I don't think I would do Nuke straight up. value might be equal but Nuke seems more assured of first line play than Myers does of 1st pairing play.

 

[Johno]

That would destroy our goaltending pipeline for a couple of years. No thanks.

That will be easily fixed, we just pick up a few Finns!
A great G prospect Mikko Koskinen (NYI), he will be a great starter in the league in a few years. Don't know thought, NYI could value him pretty highly.

Other one is Ville Kolppanen, undrafted, plays in my hometown club in FEL. He has been unreal this year. Second in goaltending stats and doing so behind a pretty mediocre team. I rate him higher than Aittokallio up in COL.
[You never know, those undrafted Finns have done pretty well in the last couple of years]

 

[glovesave_35]

to clarify it was Seguin straight up OR Nuke and 2 first rounders. I don't think I would do Nuke straight up. value might be equal but Nuke seems more assured of first line play than Myers does of 1st pairing play.

Ahh, still terrible for us. I also wouldn't trade Nichushkin for him straight. I wouldn't even sit and think on it.

 

[MetalGodAOD*]

That would destroy our goaltending pipeline for a couple of years. No thanks.

I'm not a fan of Myers at all, but you take a D upgrade with high potential over some depth in goal. Good backup goalies are a dime a dozen.

 

[piqued]

Edler has got to carry more value than Myers.

 

[Cin]

I'm not a fan of Myers at all, but you take a D upgrade with high potential over some depth in goal. Good backup goalies are a dime a dozen.

It's not really just about having a capable backup, although that makes a massive difference (Ellis)

Campbell is really highly regarded. He's got really great poise and vision. He played out of his mind against ANA and has shown flashes of dominance in the AHL. Why trade him now when it could make Kari expendable in a year or two? Plus, lets say he is traded. What happens next season if we get an injury bug going? Then we literally have no NHL quality goalies under Kari. Jack can step in for emergency situations as it is now and we don't even have to really worry.

Dallas has always been a great goalie farm. Why screw with a formula that's worked for so long?

 

[Primetimey*]

Edler has got to carry more value than Myers.

One would think.

The thing I don't understand is that wasn't Meyers really really bad last year? Weren't most Sabres fans down on him? Now he is like Top 5 defender in their eyes.

 

[Cin]

One would think.

The thing I don't understand is that wasn't Meyers really really bad last year? Weren't most Sabres fans down on him? Now he is like Top 5 defender in their eyes.

This is exactly why I'm struggling with even wanting him. No doubt he's got talent, but that kid was **** last year. Then again a lot of NHLers were.

 

[txomisc]

It's not really just about having a capable backup, although that makes a massive difference (Ellis)

Campbell is really highly regarded. He's got really great poise and vision. He played out of his mind against ANA and has shown flashes of dominance in the AHL. Why trade him now when it could make Kari expendable in a year or two? Plus, lets say he is traded. What happens next season if we get an injury bug going? Then we literally have no NHL quality goalies under Kari. Jack can step in for emergency situations as it is now and we don't even have to really worry.

Dallas has always been a great goalie farm. Why screw with a formula that's worked for so long?

I don't think you need to hold onto a guy for a hypothetical if you can get someone who can contribute at a high level know. If Kari gets hurt the Stars are screwed whether or not Campbell is still around next season.

 

[Cin]

Is Myers actually at that level now?

 

[txomisc]

Is Myers actually at that level now?

He'd be our best defenseman.

 

[Cin]

Must've improved quite a bit from last season.

 

[oconnor9sean]

He'd be our best defenseman.

A Dillon-Myers pairing would be sexy

 

[haf]

He'd be our best defenseman.

i don't agree with that actually. goose has played great the last 10 games or so and he and daley would remain our first pair. but he is a good age to bring along with dillon and he fits our speed attack philosophy. It is hard to say where Myers is at because the team is in such disarray. Niskanen went to Pitt and looked pretty good after a bit. I think Myers could do the same here.

 

[Hull Fan]

I'd move Oleksiak in that hypothetical trade. Dallas doesn't need two soft big defensemen who can skate and move the puck. If they want to keep Chiasson at least through till the draft he's got to be on the block to make that deal work. A defenseman has to go too so Daley gives them a great trade chip this summer.

Myers, Grigorenko for Campbell, Oleksiak, Daley, and Dallas' 2nd in 2014.

 

[Rune Forumwalker]

That is pretty brutal. I think I'll pass.

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

That actually seems like a pretty decent deal to me...

Campbell and Grigorenko are sort of a wash, and Myers is what Oleksiak might turn out to be if everything goes absolutely right, no? A 2nd and Daley seems a decent price to pay to accelerate that process and remove some of the developmental risk.

Only question, I guess, is how Ruff and Myers left things

 

[NFKappaB]

I'd move Oleksiak in that hypothetical trade. Dallas doesn't need two soft big defensemen who can skate and move the puck. If they want to keep Chiasson at least through till the draft he's got to be on the block to make that deal work. A defenseman has to go too so Daley gives them a great trade chip this summer.

Myers, Grigorenko for Campbell, Oleksiak, Daley, and Dallas' 2nd in 2014.

If that trade happened I wouldn't be completely against it...but a few concerns.

- Grigorenko was the guy who failed to report to Buffalo's AHL team right? Dallas doesn't need another Avery. As well, I wouldn't package our prospects for a *possible* 2nd line center that's only a marginal upgrade over Eakin.
- While I understand Daley has the most value of guys we're willing to part with....he's still one of my favourite defenseman, and IMO the most consistent on our team.

I don't see why Buffalo would trade Myers? They are a re-building team, and he's no Selanne.

 

[usefulfiction]

That actually seems like a pretty decent deal to me...

Campbell and Grigorenko are sort of a wash, and Myers is what Oleksiak might turn out to be if everything goes absolutely right, no? A 2nd and Daley seems a decent price to pay to accelerate that process and remove some of the developmental risk.

Only question, I guess, is how Ruff and Myers left things

I don't think that's an issue. For the Stars to enter into talks regarding Myers you know Nill would get as much information from Ruff and Patrick as possible. If those 2 had any concerns about the player I think it would be safe to assume Nill would look elsewhere. So any proposal we put together here would sort of have the implied Ruff stamp of approval.

 

[Primetimey*]

That is a pretty good proposal but Grigorenko scares me. The guy could potentially be an amazing player, but with his history with this coaching staff and not reporting the AHL, etc. etc. it is a big risk to take giving up on Campbell and Oleksiak.

I would keep the deal smaller and focus on Myers.

 

[usefulfiction]

That is a pretty good proposal but Grigorenko scares me. The guy could potentially be an amazing player, but with his history with this coaching staff and not reporting the AHL, etc. etc. it is a big risk to take giving up on Campbell and Oleksiak.

I would keep the deal smaller and focus on Myers.

Keep in mind, Grigs didn't want to report to Major Junior, not AHL. I don't know that I can fault him for that. That was piss poor asset management by their GM at the time. They gave him a taste of getting paid well to play and then said now go back and play for free. If he were AHL eligible, I don't think he would have had a problem going to the AHL.

 

[BigG44]

Keep in mind, Grigs didn't want to report to Major Junior, not AHL. I don't know that I can fault him for that. That was piss poor asset management by their GM at the time. They gave him a taste of getting paid well to play and then said now go back and play for free. If he were AHL eligible, I don't think he would have had a problem going to the AHL.

Correct .... the league blocked him from reporting to the AHL on a conditioning assignment. He's not technically eligible to play in the AHL, but that didn't stop LA years ago from putting Schenn down in the AHL for conditioning. For whatever reason, this time they felt it was circumvention of the rules and stopped it from happening. I believe it was reported a different GM raised a stink to the league.

Also completely agree on the major junior issue. He was rightfully pissed, then agreed within a day or two to go. There were other options than just the AHL or QMJHL, and the team didn't seem interested in going that route. I'd be pissed too if you sent me to an unpaid league after you'd been getting paid to play hockey for a large part of two seasons. The KHL probably would have been better for his development anyway.

 

[Primetimey*]

Keep in mind, Grigs didn't want to report to Major Junior, not AHL. I don't know that I can fault him for that. That was piss poor asset management by their GM at the time. They gave him a taste of getting paid well to play and then said now go back and play for free. If he were AHL eligible, I don't think he would have had a problem going to the AHL.

Ah yes. Thanks for correction.

 

[echlfreak]

With the lines the way that they are how do you really improve this team right now?

Benn-Seg-Nuke
Pev-Eak-Cole
Rous-Fids-Garbs
Whits-Horc-Chais

This top three lines have been really solid!

On D the problem is all those guys are locked up past this year so even if you do EX. Chaisson and a pick for Myers then you have way to many D...you somehow have to move a dman but all the higher salaries have no trade clauses of some sort?

Myers-Dillon
Goligoski-Daley
Gonchar-Conn/Benn/Rome/Robidas

9 D


It seems like a really tough team to make improvements on? But looking forward to seeing what Jim does!

Any suggestions taking into account cap, no-trades, long term and short term goals?

 

[BigG44]

There's one easy obvious answer. Whitney.

Chiasson looked like the break did him some good. He had several high quality shots, and he was very engaged. Whitney looked like Whitney. I'm done with the guy. We have the best goal scorer in the AHL, who forechecks and backchecks with equal enthusiasm, skates well, plays physical, and will drop the gloves to protect/stand up for a teammate. He's everything you'd want out of a Bottom 6 forward and brings a ton of energy with him.

#FreeSceviour #DumpWhitney

Sceviour has played his off wing in the AHL, but not much lately. I agree that you probably don't touch those top three lines, but IDK ... maybe you do let Pevs slide down and play with Horcoff on his off wing.

Even with Whitney, there isn't a line that I feel nervous about when they are on the ice. You could definitely improve all of those lines except the first with better scorers, but there's little reason based on cost to do it now. That's something to look at in the off-season.

Personally, I'm pretty excited about the potential next year for a McKenzie-X-Sceviour line to rival and push Roussel-X-Garbutt. As good as Glennie has been, McKenzie probably has passed him. Glennie could end up as the 13th forward though unless he's able to clear waivers.