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Rumor: Trade Rumours Thread XIV: Rangers gauging interest on Callahan/Girardi

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Cally trade rumors tied to AV continuing to pt his "stamp" on this team?

Ryan Callahan was named a captain under torts. He was torts go to player in every aspect of the team. Pp, pk, late game situations, heavy minutes. He relied on cally and trusted him more than anyone. With torts gone we have seen cally faulter. Does anyone suspect AV is pushing sather to "explore his options" because he wouldn't mind installing a new captain that flourishes better in his new system?
 
68Forever said:
Ryan Callahan was named a captain under torts. He was torts go to player in every aspect of the team. Pp, pk, late game situations, heavy minutes. He relied on cally and trusted him more than anyone. With torts gone we have seen cally faulter. Does anyone suspect AV is pushing sather to "explore his options" because he wouldn't mind installing a new captain that flourishes better in his new system?
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It's possible. The point has been made a few times that AV wants a more up-tempo puck control system. Girardi and Callahan, while very good players, don't exactly fit that system.
 
Also, my post my get lost on the page before.

Wondering if this is feasible:

Callahan + Fast for Ott, Foligno, Buff 2nd 2014 - the 30th pick of the draft (i.e. essentially the last pick of the first round).
 
Ola said:
Yeah, amazing.

Everyone knows the cap is 80+m in y2 of any contract signed this summer.

People are referring to contracts signed when the cap was in the 50s.
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i dont think anyone knows anything for sure...its all supposition. we dont know how the market will react, we dont know how if there will be another housing crisis dropping down revenue and killing the cap, we dont know if the canadian dollar goes intot he tank.

there's a whole lot of talk about where the cap will be in 5 years when nobody actually knows.

pay the guy what hes worth going forward based on todays cap, not what he WAS worth to this team based on tomorrows cap.

Cally, 5x5

Girardi 5.5x5

thats what they should be worth to this team...and really Callys is a gift.
 
kenjets36 said:
Also, my post my get lost on the page before.

Wondering if this is feasible:

Callahan + Fast for Ott, Foligno, Buff 2nd 2014 - the 30th pick of the draft (i.e. essentially the last pick of the first round).
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I would pass. I think they can get a better package for just Callahan. Foligno + Buf 1st + for just Callahan.

Ott is going to hit UFA. I wouldn't be opposed to signing him depending on the cost and length of contract. PIA.
 
NYR Viper said:
Yes. It's the length of the deal.
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Why? Not a crippling AAV. Both can be traded if they begin to wear out their welcome. We can keep both for 3-4 more years while we're in win now, then trade them for at the very least, a 1st rder each 5 or so years down the road.

Just another option.
 
kenjets36 said:
Also, my post my get lost on the page before.

Wondering if this is feasible:

Callahan + Fast for Ott, Foligno, Buff 2nd 2014 - the 30th pick of the draft (i.e. essentially the last pick of the first round).
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Hell NO
 
NYR Viper said:
I would pass. I think they can get a better package for just Callahan. Foligno + Buf 1st + for just Callahan.

Ott is going to hit UFA. I wouldn't be opposed to signing him depending on the cost and length of contract. PIA.
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Ok, so let's take Fast out of the equation. Fair value?
 
kenjets36 said:
Also, my post my get lost on the page before.

Wondering if this is feasible:

Callahan + Fast for Ott, Foligno, Buff 2nd 2014 - the 30th pick of the draft (i.e. essentially the last pick of the first round).
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Not a terrible idea. I'd rather keep Fast and substitute someone else, preferably a lesser prospect since Ott is a UFA to be. Like Foligno though.

I think you can get a contender to cough up more.
 
kenjets36 said:
Why? Not a crippling AAV. Both can be traded if they begin to wear out their welcome. We can keep both for 3-4 more years while we're in win now, then trade them for at the very least, a 1st rder each 5 or so years down the road.

Just another option.
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7 years is too long for either but especially Callahan who already has shown a propensity for injuries.

6 years I'm okay with for Girardi. 5 would be better but I understand 6.

5 years for Callahan.
 
Foligno is not a bad player, but players of his ilk are available in FAs every year (see: Pouliot).

I'd hope the Rangers could do better than essentially a 3rd line winger and the 31st pick. I think a contender would be willing to offer more if they felt Callahan was the last piece of their puzzle (ie: STL, LA, VAN).

I'd do Buffalo '14 1st and anything for Callahan in a heart beat, but there's no chance they do that with zero guarantee he resigns.
 
RGY said:
Not a terrible idea. I'd rather keep Fast and substitute someone else, preferably a lesser prospect since Ott is a UFA to be. Like Foligno though.

I think you can get a contender to cough up more.
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I think you can get more prospects with higher ceilings from a contender. Foligno's ceiling seems to be a 3rd liner, with a floor of being an inconsistent 4th liner. The 30th pick doesn't usually offer top line quality. Ott offers what Cally does, more or less, but is also going to be looking for a payday and will likely not resign here for the same reasons we're trying to trade Callahan.

But that package allows us to remain competitive this year. The point of my original post a page back was to emphasize how we're in a position to succeed this year and that a potential trade will have to bring someone veteran back too.

Ott fits that bill. Our futures we'd be bringing in for Cally would be Foligno and the 30th.

Otherwise, we can get much more value - i.e. Etem, 1st, + from Anaheim, but we'd be tanking this season.

Two arguments - one that we have a chance this year, one that we're playoff contenders but not SC contenders. Both are valid. My money is on Glen being the optimist and figuring argument 1 in his trade agenda.
 
Ian said:
Foligno is not a bad player, but players of his ilk are available in FAs every year (see: Pouliot).

I'd hope the Rangers could do better than essentially a 3rd line winger and the 31st pick. I think a contender would be willing to offer more if they felt Callahan was the last piece of their puzzle (ie: STL, LA, VAN).

I'd do Buffalo '14 1st and anything for Callahan in a heart beat, but there's no chance they do that with zero guarantee he resigns.
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I wouldn't mind a 3rd liner coming back like Foligno. Someone who can play a rough and tumble game with some upside would be nice. But There would need to be more.

I still like the idea of trying to snag a player like Connolly + from TB more though. Someone with a higher upside that has the size and speed to do well in todays NHL.

They need to add picks though this year. This may be one of the only times in the coming years where the Rangers can conceivably add some high end picks by moving players out. They haven't done this in a long time.
 
kenjets36 said:
Would you, or anyone else be upset with:

5.3/yr for 7 yrs - Girardi
5.5/yr for 7 yrs - Callahan.

Just wondering.
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I would hate that, moreso for Callahan.

We've watched them for so long, I think we get fooled into thinking these are great players that we couldnt live without.

They're not. They are very good players. Will they be in 3-4 years?
 
nyr2k2 said:
So you'd do $5.3M over 7 years for Girardi, but not $6M over 6 years?
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I'd rather not do either, to be honest, but I'm coming more to the realization that we'll be in a tough spot if we trade him. I'd rather 6 million for 4-5 years, if anything. I like the lower cap hit.
 
Who in their right mind thinks BuF is going to trade their 1st this year + for Callahan!?!? Resigned or not.

What are you smoking?


I'll take anything bringing back more bodies though. Cally for 1st + prospect or matured player. (and I'd believe that to be an overpayment too)
 
I hate contracts that are longer than 4 years. Unless a player is a youngish elite player , there's no telling how good the player will be 7 years from now. It's crazy, IDK how the market bares such a thing. Girardi and Callahan are pretty much at their peak right now. Sure they may be able to fit a season or two in their early 30s that are better than their late 20s, but after that it's all decline. Why pay so much for those years?

Either way, Callahan's game is going to lend him to decline quite quickly (like Drury), no way he deserves more than 3 or 4 years at any price. We're already starting to see the injuries rack up.
 
NYRFANMANI said:
Who in their right mind thinks BuF is going to trade their 1st this year + for Callahan!?!? Resigned or not.

What are you smoking?


I'll take anything bringing back more bodies though. Cally for 1st + prospect or matured player. (and I'd believe that to be an overpayment too)
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When we're talking about their first, we really mean their 2nd. As it stands now, they'll likely have the 1st overall pick of the draft. The Devil's forfeited their 1st round pick this year bc of Kovalchuk, meaning that the 1st pick of the 2nd round will be the 30th pick of the draft - a pick that is in the 1st round every other year.
 
What's the Rangers stance on some of the lesser group IIIs such as Boyle and Moore? They could deal one or both. Dorsett will be back soon. He could replace one of them on the 4th line with Carcillo. Boyle would probably bring back a greater return.
 
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