Rumor: Trade Rumours & Proposals | Would NYR Move Kreider? | Reinhart Unclaimed

[McShogun99]

Just put Larsson on the powerplay.

Christ.

Doesn't hurt to try.

 

[McShogun99]

In the long run we will be fine on the wings with JP, Yamamoto and hopefully Benson and Safin. Our 2 big holes next off season will be replacing Maroon and an offensive defecneman.

 

[MinimaMoralia]

In the long run we will be fine on the wings with JP, Yamamoto and hopefully Benson and Safin. Our 2 big holes next off season will be replacing Maroon and an offensive defecneman.

Pitlick was once looked upon as our Jarret Stoll replacement. Its folly to assume you're fine in a position based on prospects until they've proven something.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Rieder ain't coming to the Oilers. Sorry, but we drafted him, and he wanted nothing to do with us. If we trade for him he plays out his contract and asks for a trade. In a fairytale world he and Draisaitl become the German "Hockey Union" line. We'd just need another German RW/LW to complete it.

Well Kreider-Draisaitl-Rieder sounds German enough to me.

Grabner is Austrian (borders Germany)... and a LW/RW as well... another good option.

 

[McShogun99]

Pitlick was once looked upon as our Jarret Stoll replacement. Its folly to assume you're fine in a position based on prospects until they've proven something.

JP and Yamamoto will become servicable NHL players.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

JP and Yamamoto will become servicable NHL players.

And once they do they'll be traded for spare parts.

 

[Staghorn]

I’d party if the Oil could get Kreider. One of my favourite players. Pulju and a 1st is fine with me - gets a TON of speed and skill on the ice now, Pulju May never play in the NHL and the 1st is likely a 70% chance to play in the NHL in 3 years... you do that deal in a second.

 

[Canovin]

I’d party if the Oil could get Kreider. One of my favourite players. Pulju and a 1st is fine with me - gets a TON of speed and skill on the ice now, Pulju May never play in the NHL and the 1st is likely a 70% chance to play in the NHL in 3 years... you do that deal in a second.

The 1st looks like it could be Dahlin who easily could be our best offensive D

 

[McShogun99]

I wouldn't be trading this years 1st until he trade deadline if a playoff spot is secured.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I don't have much issue with trading the 1st but I'm not sure who you would actually target.

A lot of people are yelling for a winger for McDavid so Draisaitl can go to centre. But I'm a little more sceptical of that considering almost no (quality) in house options have been tried there.

Have any of RNH, Strome, Kassian, or even Slepyshev taken a shift with Maroon and McDavid at evens this season? My my count it's only been Draisaitl, Yamamoto, and the odd appearance of Letestu. Why not just put RNH there? Drai, Strome, and Letestu is fine enough depth to allow that.

On defence you could go after Green for the 1st and, I don't mind this one too much. Once Sekera's back it gives you a sexy looking defence of

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Green
Nurse-Russell
Benning

But it's mild overkill, as the big issue right now is the 3rd pairing is often a tire fire in its own end, and a weak top 4 can't cover for it.

Give me a Garrison, Reinhart, Davidson, or even Nick Schultz, and that'll stabilize the 3rd pairing until Sekera's back, which is what's needed.

Go after Garrison, who just went through waviers, and focus on putting players in roles they can handle

Maroon-McDavid-RNH
Lucic-Draisaitl-Kassian/PAP
Caggiula-Strome-Slepyshev
Jokinen-Letestu-Khaira/Pakarinen/Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Garrison(Sekera)-Benning

Talbot


At worst you need a winger upgrade on Kassian, but going out and grabbing a PAP or trading for a cheap winger shouldn't cost alot. Look at what Vanek or PAP went for last year, or Hudler/Purcell the year before.

All it is...

• PAP for for 1mil (moving Kassian to the 4th line RW)
• Garrison with a mil retained for Betker and a 5th

... and there's your forward core and defence stabilised. All without moving valuable assets.

 

[nexttothemoon]

They needs better forwards (2-way forwards... not just all D or all-offense) over their needs on the back end.

Sekera will be back. Benning is better that people think. Stanton is better as well once his foot heals and he gets up to speed. Auvitu hasn't looked bad to me either.

Even Simpson is likely a good in-house 3rd pairing option.

I would spend assets and picks on another good forward.. or 2 even as that's what the team needs most. Players who can actually cash chances that other teams routinely seem to pot.

This team gets as many if not more chances than other NHL teams, they simply can't pot enough to put up wins.

2nd in shots per game and 2nd last in goals per game is a pretty damning stat... but again a good 2-way forward is what is needed as we don't need more toe dragging danglers that cost the team more at the other end than they contribute offensively. We've seen that show before and all know how it ends when the games are important.

Just as an aside though... there is definitely an element of rotten puck luck as an NHL team won't continue to have the 2nd worst shooting percentage while having the 2nd most shots... there will be some regression to the mean (eventually).

 

[Soundwave]

Absolute no to trading the 2018 1st. Nope. Nope. Nope.

 

[joestevens29]

I've wanted Kreider since his college days. Had quite a tool box. I don't really get why the Rags would trade him, but we should be all over him if they are

 

[joestevens29]

At the same time I hope people aren't expecting a lot. There have been a lot of "I think this could happen" coming from panels lately that is turning into "They are trading so and so in the next day or two".

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

At the same time I hope people aren't expecting a lot. There have been a lot of "I think this could happen" coming from panels lately that is turning into "They are trading so and so in the next day or two".

Trades of substance don't usually happen this early in the year. Any help coming in is going to be minor at best.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I've wanted Kreider since his college days. Had quite a tool box. I don't really get why the Rags would trade him, but we should be all over him if they are

Because he's 26 now, on a bigger ticket and hasn't "developed" the way they were expecting when he came in so young and with so much hype. He's basically their equivalent of Jordan Eberle.

 

[joestevens29]

Because he's 26 now, on a bigger ticket and hasn't "developed" the way they were expecting when he came in so young and with so much hype. He's basically their equivalent of Jordan Eberle.

So they want 40 goals out of the guy?

He had a career year last year and is off to a slow start, don't see how this is anything like Eberle who was dealt because of his lack of drive. Plus 6mil vs 4.6ish(?)

 

[Fourier]

So they want 40 goals out of the guy?

He had a career year last year and is off to a slow start, don't see how this is anything like Eberle who was dealt because of his lack of drive. Plus 6mil vs 4.6ish(?)

I think they want consistency. He's very much a streak scorer. His 27 goals last year also included 11 in the month of December when the team was on a goal scoring tear. He finished the year with 2 goals in his last 13 games and then had none in his first 7 playoff games.

 

[joestevens29]

I think they want consistency. He's very much a streak scorer. His 27 goals last year also included 11 in the month of December when the team was on a goal scoring tear. He finished the year with 2 goals in his last 13 games and then had none in his first 7 playoff games.

That really is an issue with most guys that play a big game. Can someone show me these consistent power forwards? Outside of the elite few that is pretty much what happens to a lot of guys. If they had the consistency they'd go from being very good NHLers to that elite level.

The key with a guy like Kreider is the same with Lucic. If they aren't scoring they need to find a way to not hurt you and at least add something to the team.

 

[Fourier]

That really is an issue with most guys that play a big game. Can someone show me these consistent power forwards? Outside of the elite few that is pretty much what happens to a lot of guys. If they had the consistency they'd go from being very good NHLers to that elite level.

The key with a guy like Kreider is the same with Lucic. If they aren't scoring they need to find a way to not hurt you and at least add something to the team.

I don't disagree. But it also means that you can't count on another 27 goal year. If he is a 20-22 goal 45 point power forward he has value but would he be that much better than Maroon at that level. Maroon costs you no assets and will very likely be cheaper. If you make a deal for Kreider it is basically as a replacement for Maroon since Lucic is going no where.

Kreider's speed is attractive. But he will cost a lot. You could likely add Grabner for a 3rd, and he is a RW who also scored 27 last year.

 

[joestevens29]

I don't disagree. But it also means that you can't count on another 27 goal year. If he is a 20-22 goal 45 point power forward he has value but would he be that much better than Maroon at that level. Maroon costs you no assets and will very likely be cheaper. If you make a deal for Kreider it is basically as a replacement for Maroon since Lucic is going no where.

Kreider's speed is attractive. But he will cost a lot. You could likely add Grabner for a 3rd, and he is a RW who also scored 27 last year.

Really comes down to what Maroon is going to cost in terms of a contract. Do you want to be locked into him for 5 years at 5mil a year? I'm a little be skeptical about going more than 3 years on the guy, but I know damn well that odds are he's wanting 5 years

I'm also all for going after Grabner.

 

[nhlisajoke]

yikes we only have a 12.6% chance to make the playoffs

we have to go 38-24-10 to have a 63.2% chance to make it

 

[nexttothemoon]

Kreider is elite. You can't just look at boxcars and see the whole picture. It's how they effect the team when they play the role they are put in.

At evens over the past 3 years... 2.91 GF/60 and 1.99 GA/60 while he's on the ice while his teammates are 2.46 GF/60 and 2.19 GA/60.

He put up 1.93 pts/60 over that stretch as well... and had a relatively low ozone push... 4%... which makes his number even more solid.

He faced solid opposition... 2.27 GF/60 and 2.22 GA/60.

He would easily be an elite forward on the Oilers and is exactly the type of solid 2-way forward the team needs more of.

Unfortunately that's also exactly why I doubt the Rags would unload him as well.

 

[Paralyzer]

Crazy that Reinhart cleared waivers. I think everyone was sure he'd be picked up by someone, if not us. I wonder if there could be a trade for him. Contract for Contract.

 

[ToeMcDrag83]

Kreider is elite. You can't just look at boxcars and see the whole picture. It's how they effect the team when they play the role they are put in.

At evens over the past 3 years... 2.91 GF/60 and 1.99 GA/60 while he's on the ice while his teammates are 2.46 GF/60 and 2.19 GA/60.

He put up 1.93 pts/60 over that stretch as well... and had a relatively low ozone push... 4%... which makes his number even more solid.

He faced solid opposition... 2.27 GF/60 and 2.22 GA/60.

He would easily be an elite forward on the Oilers and is exactly the type of solid 2-way forward the team needs more of.

Unfortunately that's also exactly why I doubt the Rags would unload him as well.

Yeah this is the part that kills the dream for me. He's an amazing name to add and would fit the team well. But Rangers have no reason to move him.