Rumor: Trade Rumour Thread II: TraDe for Every111!!

[NYR Viper]

Hope the Rangers take Petrecki. More effective than Bickel and Gilroy.

 

[Kershaw]

I don't understand the fascination with Petrecki. He was on waivers before too and went unclaimed IIRC.

 

[Lion Hound]

Clowe is certainly not Dubi. but... Would adding a Dubi be a bad thing to this team?


I am a big Clowe fan. Yes, cause I'm a fight fan, but more importantly because Close can play top 6. Impose on other clubs top players. Rangers don't have that.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't understand the fascination with Petrecki. He was on waivers before too and went unclaimed IIRC.

Aggressive, big, good skater.

 

[Kwayry]

on the main board, these were the offers for Boyle

Sabres offer Leopold + Adam + 3rd for Boyle + 4th.
Sabres offer Weber + Adam for Boyle.
Habs offer Eller + Weber for Boyle.
Sharks offer Murray + Clowe for Boyle + pick.

 

[The Gloaming]

on the main board, these were the offers for Boyle

Sabres offer Leopold + Adam + 3rd for Boyle + 4th.
Sabres offer Weber + Adam for Boyle.
Habs offer Eller + Weber for Boyle.
Sharks offer Murray + Clowe for Boyle + pick.

I would definately do the Sharks one.

 

[Kwayry]

I would definately do the Sharks one.

I would too if the pick going back is no more than a 3rd.

 

[Trxjw]

Clowe is painfully slow.

 

[Kershaw]

With the exception of the 2nd Sabres offer, I'd do any of them.

 

[Kwayry]

That tells you Boyle has some pretty good value currently.
With Miller and Lindberg (Hopefully) on the roster next season his role may be diminished.
Is it worth trading him or keep him? I think that will depend on how the season unfolds.
If the team goes deep into the playoffs, it will be very hard to trade anybody from this team, except Bickell and Asham.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

on the main board, these were the offers for Boyle

Sabres offer Leopold + Adam + 3rd for Boyle + 4th.
Sabres offer Weber + Adam for Boyle.
Habs offer Eller + Weber for Boyle.
Sharks offer Murray + Clowe for Boyle + pick.

Can't see the Sharks doing that, obviously I'd jump on that and run! Clowe and Murray???? Brings size, toughness, and attitude. The down side would be their speed.

 

[bernmeister]

Am I right in interpreting your rationale as you giving up on this season (and possibly the next few) and going for a mini-rebuild? Personally, I'm not ready to do that and don't think it makes sense, but that is the only case/frame of reference in which I could possibly understand the basis for a trade like the one you're proposing here (regardless of whether it is actually feasible in the real world).

If you're actually trying to keep this team in contention for the cup this year and in the next couple, I don't see how this trade does that. It completely changes the composition and identity of the team. You're going from a team whose strength was its defense and two-way play and turning it into a team that barely has any of that and is primarily offensive minded. I wouldn't even be confident they'd make the playoffs with that lineup. But even if they did, come playoffs, depth matters. Neal has the potential to add a lot to the top 6, but with the terms of your trade he does so by leaving a huge hole in the bottom six. And though I like JT, I'm not ready to say he can fill that hole and make a trade based on 2 games. Look at the teams that have won the Stanley Cup in the past decade and a half -- almost all of them got significant production from their bottom 6.

While you acknowledge that it weakens our d-corps, by saying that its "just 1 more," I'm not sure you grasp how big of an impact that would have when we already have a mediocre (at best) 6th d man... Instead of having two and a half solid pairings, you now either have to run one complete garbage pair or split up the awful and have 2 pairings with d-men that drag down the effectiveness of their partner. For a team that finally has started to get its act together on defense in the past few seasons, neither of those is a prospect I can look forward to.

I don't think its as important as the chemistry on forward lines, but in general, I think people underestimate how much a defense man's partner can impact their play... Look at any of the Rangers' top 4 d-men when they're paired with either Bickel or Gilroy; they look incredibly uncomfortable and end up running around like chickens with their heads cut off way more than they would otherwise to make up for the fails made by their partner. I mean, its early this season, but just look at Suter and Weber -- they're both still great d-men, that won't change, but their individual play is certainly not the same so far.


If you're looking to stay in the hunt for the cup this year and over the next few, the only way I would come anywhere near touching a proposal like the one you've offered is if you replaced one of the 1st rounders with a serviceable d-man or depth two-way forward. And I'm not seeing much on Pitts' roster that fits either of those bills and is also someone whom they'd be willing to give up. Simply can't make a trade that leaves two monster holes.

We agree to disagree.

First we are very good, but not dominant, and even a dominant team is guaranteed to win a cup, even barring injury. However becoming more balanced and more dominant would help our chances.

We need to chuck Torts and this stupidity of a d first system which had us lose last year cause we were too exhausted by both the system, and that the system made us go late in our rounds.

We then need to upgrade our talent, mindful that certain assets have a premium. There are others, one is finishing which is a premium since snipers are a short commodity. Letang is not that type of threat, but he makes great decisions ALL the time, is a masterful skater who would be a a great tutor for Skeji, and while the results can't be expected to duplicate Crosby Malkin, he would certainly work wonders for us. The benefit of this to our time of possession in the opposition end should not be discounted.

But the point is, if we overpay a bit IN OUR DEPTH to get an asset we need + important futures, that is the kind of 3 steps backwards 5 steps forwards kind of move we have to think about to get ahead.

We'd be coming out ahead on cap, and that should also not be overlooked.

I am rethinking this because Letang will be a UFA after next season, so I think other options may be better.

But just because we are competing does not mean we stay static.

Grow and improve or increased likelihood of death for real.

Also, if we unloaded some depth for the right kind of key upgrade, that would result in less line combos which would help with the chemistry for real. This of course assumes we have enough in case of injury. As conceded, we'd be thin this shortened season, but between arrival of Lindberg and free agency next year, we'd be ok.

 

[bernmeister]

That tells you Boyle has some pretty good value currently.
With Miller and Lindberg (Hopefully) on the roster next season his role may be diminished.
Is it worth trading him or keep him? I think that will depend on how the season unfolds.
If the team goes deep into the playoffs, it will be very hard to trade anybody from this team, except Bickell and Asham.

dont forget Chicago would make a serious offer for Boyle, IMO. Boyle + Christian Thomas + Bickel can get us Dylan Olsen, Beach + a good component, probably a C

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

We agree to disagree.

First we are very good, but not dominant, and even a dominant team is guaranteed to win a cup, even barring injury. However becoming more balanced and more dominant would help our chances.

We need to chuck Torts and this stupidity of a d first system which had us lose last year cause we were too exhausted by both the system, and that the system made us go late in our rounds.

We then need to upgrade our talent, mindful that certain assets have a premium. There are others, one is finishing which is a premium since snipers are a short commodity. Letang is not that type of threat, but he makes great decisions ALL the time, is a masterful skater who would be a a great tutor for Skeji, and while the results can't be expected to duplicate Crosby Malkin, he would certainly work wonders for us. The benefit of this to our time of possession in the opposition end should not be discounted.

But the point is, if we overpay a bit IN OUR DEPTH to get an asset we need + important futures, that is the kind of 3 steps backwards 5 steps forwards kind of move we have to think about to get ahead.

We'd be coming out ahead on cap, and that should also not be overlooked.

I am rethinking this because Letang will be a UFA after next season, so I think other options may be better.

But just because we are competing does not mean we stay static.

Grow and improve or increased likelihood of death for real.

Also, if we unloaded some depth for the right kind of key upgrade, that would result in less line combos which would help with the chemistry for real. This of course assumes we have enough in case of injury. As conceded, we'd be thin this shortened season, but between arrival of Lindberg and free agency next year, we'd be ok.

I have to admit I enjoy your usage of hundreds of words to mask some truly insane ideas about this hockey team

 

[Kwayry]

dont forget Chicago would make a serious offer for Boyle, IMO. Boyle + Christian Thomas + Bickel can get us Dylan Olsen, Beach + a good component, probably a C

Is this your idea of what the Hawks may offer, or you actually saw this somewhere?

Olsen is good prospect, he failed to make the team this year though, wonder what the Hawks saw in him they did not like. Or he may need 1 more year of seasoning. Not sure at this point.
Beach is a bust, may be good pick up for hartford.
The rest of it is cryptic, "a good component, probably a C", not sure what that means.
Over all, 3 of the other offers are much better than yours.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Is this your idea of what the Hawks may offer, or you actually saw this somewhere?

Olsen is good prospect, he failed to make the team this year though, wonder what the Hawks saw in him they did not like. Or he may need 1 more year of seasoning. Not sure at this point.
Beach is a bust, may be good pick up for hartford.
The rest of it is cryptic, "a good component, probably a C", not sure what that means.
Over all, 3 of the other offers are much better than yours.

If Boyle goes to Chicago, Sather better try to get Shaw or Morin.. Beach would help the Whale, maybe the future Newbruy. still hasnt played one NHL game...

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Im hoping that Tyrell and Petrecki ends up on NYR. He would be an upgrade over Asham and Bickel also Tyrell kills penalties and has speed.

 

[Kwayry]

Im hoping that Tyrell and Petrecki ends up on NYR. He would be an upgrade over Asham and Bickel also Tyrell kills penalties and has speed.

No chance for Tyrell, Avs, flames, Kings should get him, my money is on the flames.
There is a chance for Pertecki, but Flyers need D men. I can see them picking him up.

 

[RGY]

Orr Nightmare the topper would be pick up Colton at the dead line...

Orr
Clowe
Asham
Murray

A guy can dream cant he? Nasty team right there boy..

The joke is you think Clowe is Dubbi..

Oh really? Based on what? Your obsession with Clowe? Look up the stats, and not just point totals. Then look at age difference. Then salary. Get back to me after that before you make asinine comments.

 

[RGY]

Clowe is painfully slow.

This. But why would even bother to consider logic on these boards? The biggest problem with this team is they have looked slow thus far until kreider came back and miller was called up. Now we want to add a guy who makes us slow again? Why, because he can fight and add some hits? Its stupid. Clowe would absolutely not play on our top 6 like the other poster said.

 

[Lion Hound]

This. But why would even bother to consider logic on these boards? The biggest problem with this team is they have looked slow thus far until kreider came back and miller was called up. Now we want to add a guy who makes us slow again? Why, because he can fight and add some hits? Its stupid. Clowe would absolutely not play on our top 6 like the other poster said.

So, your logic is this team is slow? Really? Three of the fastest forwards in the league on the same club and they are slow? Not to mention the McDonough on the blue line. Or the new kid Powe who has wheels and a motor to go with it. Speed is certainly not an issue.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This. But why would even bother to consider logic on these boards? The biggest problem with this team is they have looked slow thus far until kreider came back and miller was called up. Now we want to add a guy who makes us slow again? Why, because he can fight and add some hits? Its stupid. Clowe would absolutely not play on our top 6 like the other poster said.

I agree, could he in case of injury? Yeah.. healthy? No way. Richards nash gabs cally stepan kreider miller hagelin are all better options. Now replacing boyle with clowe on 3rd line? Id be for that boyle is painfully slow as well so its a wash plus boyle just doesnt give any offense at all

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

on the main board, these were the offers for Boyle

Sabres offer Leopold + Adam + 3rd for Boyle + 4th.
Sabres offer Weber + Adam for Boyle.
Habs offer Eller + Weber for Boyle.
Sharks offer Murray + Clowe for Boyle + pick.

I definitely do the sharks one no questions asked

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

So, your logic is this team is slow? Really? Three of the fastest forwards in the league on the same club and they are slow? Not to mention the McDonough on the blue line. Or the new kid Powe who has wheels and a motor to go with it. Speed is certainly not an issue.

Right with addition of Miller, kreider healthy, addition of powe, mcdonagh, hags, gabs, nash we have enough speed

 

[Orr Nightmare]

This. But why would even bother to consider logic on these boards? The biggest problem with this team is they have looked slow thus far until kreider came back and miller was called up. Now we want to add a guy who makes us slow again? Why, because he can fight and add some hits? Its stupid. Clowe would absolutely not play on our top 6 like the other poster said.

Clowe can't play top 6 minutes on our team but can play top 6 for the Sharks


Clowe has scored 52, 57, 62 and 45 points the last 4 seasons...

He would be our answer to Lucic...but we don't need that...let's trade for Jussi Jokeien.