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I never explicitly said straight up. Just the starting point. As you said, Callahan for Stewart straight up is bad.
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He does do well in front of the net, I agree. Other than that, size is not in his game.
Again my problem is that he doesn't do any of these things consistently. You never know what Stewart you're going to get. Yeah, he'll likely be a better fit in this system, but if he's playing just as lazy here what's the point?
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It's not the flipping of Stewart that is outrageous. Read what I wrote. It's flipping a UFA because he is a UFA, for someone who is not, just to flip him for another UFA. That does not make sense. The Rangers aren't flipping callahan for fun, it is because they think they can't sign him for how much he wants. Then you basically want to trade him for someone who is DEFINITELY going to free agency and going to get top dollar on vanek. It literally does not make sense.
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Because he ads size and another 25 goals from the wing which is a plus.
I understand he doesn't show effort all the time. But as A piece coming back for Callahan, it's an option.
Maybe they get Stewart + from the Blues an then flip him elsewhere for other pieces. That's possible.
Anyone think this might have been leaked to the media to alert Callahan and his people that he might actually be traded if their demands are not lowered on a next contract? It could just be a bargaining tactic by Sather and the Rangers.
Also, Sather has been pretty good with trades. So I don't think it would be Callahan for Stewart straight up.
Also, Sather has been pretty good with trades. So I don't think it would be Callahan for Stewart straight up.
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Just checked out the Blues board to see what their views were. Apparently they would be more than happy to dump Stewart and get Callahan. Not a fan favorite by any means.
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Again, as I stated the rangers would not be trading Callahan for Stewart straight up. They hopefully get a draft pick and potentially a prospect back. Keep the pick and prospect and flip Stewart. And how do you know Vanek is definitely going to free agency? The other guy stated austrian media has suggested Vanek likes it in the tri state area.
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He has 2 goals the entire month of January.
He had 0 in his first 10 games.
I just think we have enough streaky, enigmatic players. He adds size, and some toughness, but come on. How many players on this team have to be enigmas?
I do kinda like the idea of flipping him again for a pick or something next year.
Literally, if a 1st is coming back I'd be more content.
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Rangers would be lucky if anyone offered just a first for cally. Never mind a first and stewart.
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I really haven't watched Stewart play...like, at all considering he's in the Western Conference, and he hasn't done anything to make him stand out when he did play the Rangers. However, looking at his stats, he has 202 points in 319 games. Callahan has 219 in 405 games. Stewart is a .63 PPG over his career, while Callahan is a .56.
Since 2009-2010, he's had a 64 point season (77 games), 53 points (62 games), 30 points (79 games), 36 points (48 games), and this year has 25 points (52 games). Not sure what the formula is for determining a players pace throughout the season, but he'll probably finish with over 50 points which is right around Callahan's average as well.
This guy seems to be a better player than Callahan when he wants to be. That's the huge turnoff though from what I'm reading. And, giving up a player of Callahan's stature (him being home grown, our captain, and giving it all) for a player like Stewart is what's worrying people. But, if he plays to his potential, he can be a very dangerous player.
I don't want to trade Callahan to be completely honest, but I understand he's not worth 6 million a year with 19 points on the year. He just hasn't been a factor offensively this year and while not his fault, does get injured.
I'm don't think I'm against trading Callahan for Stewart, but I think I'd want something else in the deal just because of how much Callahan has meant to this organization since he's been brought up, even if the value of their skills are pretty close.
Since 2009-2010, he's had a 64 point season (77 games), 53 points (62 games), 30 points (79 games), 36 points (48 games), and this year has 25 points (52 games). Not sure what the formula is for determining a players pace throughout the season, but he'll probably finish with over 50 points which is right around Callahan's average as well.
This guy seems to be a better player than Callahan when he wants to be. That's the huge turnoff though from what I'm reading. And, giving up a player of Callahan's stature (him being home grown, our captain, and giving it all) for a player like Stewart is what's worrying people. But, if he plays to his potential, he can be a very dangerous player.
I don't want to trade Callahan to be completely honest, but I understand he's not worth 6 million a year with 19 points on the year. He just hasn't been a factor offensively this year and while not his fault, does get injured.
I'm don't think I'm against trading Callahan for Stewart, but I think I'd want something else in the deal just because of how much Callahan has meant to this organization since he's been brought up, even if the value of their skills are pretty close.
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I mean I'm not sure what kind of math you are doing... But a 25 goal scorer can only score in 25 games at most.
They therefore HAVE to be streaky in terms of goal scoring. There's no other way around it.
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He would go to free agency for the exact reason that Callahan might be getting traded. The Rangers have 12 impending free agents going into next season. It does not make sense to trade one impending UFA for basically another who would only want more money than the first impending UFA that you just traded.
Also, so you're saying that Callahan has more value than Vanek, basicallly?
You're saying we get Stewart + prospect or pick, keep pick or prospect then trade Stewart for Vanek. Or in other words...Callahan has more value than Vanek. That is ridiculous.
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this has glen sather written all over it. he traded brian leetch for gods sake.
an offer is on the table for cally. he rejected offer. hes asking for alot more. they are wayyy apart. not close. hes history.
enter chris freeking stewart.
ill tell you this, stewartis 100% potential and size. thats it. hes never won a puck battle along the boards. ever. he isnt tenacious at all. he cant cycle and he doesnt have a high compete level. hes a passive player. high end skills when he wants to use them.
he is, like others have said, wolski 2.0.
this guy is exactly what we DONT want here. blues fan would love to dump stewart on us. trust me. they want him gone.
for ryan callahan, this one would hurt me. personally.
an offer is on the table for cally. he rejected offer. hes asking for alot more. they are wayyy apart. not close. hes history.
enter chris freeking stewart.
ill tell you this, stewartis 100% potential and size. thats it. hes never won a puck battle along the boards. ever. he isnt tenacious at all. he cant cycle and he doesnt have a high compete level. hes a passive player. high end skills when he wants to use them.
he is, like others have said, wolski 2.0.
this guy is exactly what we DONT want here. blues fan would love to dump stewart on us. trust me. they want him gone.
for ryan callahan, this one would hurt me. personally.
Sorry i did not break out all the details of what the exact trade would be. Simply made a suggestion. Stewart is locked up under contract for at least next year. He gets his points. The Rangers would flip stewart plus another piece for another forward. It was a suggestion on a message board to think outside the box because I like some others here would not be too fond of stewart being the acquiring piece for Callahan.
The fact that you are drilling into this so deeply when no trade has even been made....is ridiculous.
to be a wise-ass, that'd be "Austrian" for you. We kinda like that error here.
No, no you are right in pointing that out. My apologies, I just woke up and was not thinking.
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