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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part IX: Dubinsky, Rozsival and a 2nd

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RangersHank said:
And if we are comparing small players and since they break down like the above post says, what about St.Louis? Why isnt he breaking down?
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As I noted earlier, not only is the guy very fast, he is FREAKISHLY strong. Check out an earlier game we had this year w/TB.

To continue the boxing analogy, most heavyweights are the biggest strongest guys with the fastest handspeed.

An exception would be Mike Tyson, who obviously did not have height and reach range.

But when he eventually got inside, wow could he bust you up! Exceptional power.

I never realized it til recently, but St. Louis is one of the strongest players I've ever seen.
 
BlueshirtBlitz said:
People saying trade MZA make me laugh.

if he was bigger he'd be a better player, sure. So would anybody in the league. Chara would be better if he was 7'1.

But he's not bigger. And he's still a great player. Trading him would be an awful move.
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i dunno about that.. adding size to the person's body does not mean that they would also add skill...imagine if Brian Boyle was 6'1 instead of 6'7. i wonder how much worse he would be... Jeff Toms was about 6'5 and he was not a good player at all.. size does not mean anything if you dont know how to use the size that the player has.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
Size alone isn't everything. Or even anything.

But take, for example, Jamie Benn. The amount of plays he makes with his reach, whether opening up passing lanes or tweaking his shooting angle to fool goalies, is astounding. All things being equal it is still a huge advantage in today's game.
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But Benn plays a style that fits his body, of course. And he has a specific role on his team.

Undoubtedly, Krejci, Bergeron or Marchand couldn't play the style they do had they been 6'3. It's extremely rare with players that size that can skate with anyone in this league (Malkin and ?).
 
MZA's size is not even a discussion if the bigger guys on the team played a more physical style of hockey.

the problem is that the team as a whole is pretty damn soff.

We have I think 3 players under 6 ft. on the Rangers.

However we have just a few that play with any real willingness to initiate physical contact in an effort to win puck battles.

compounding the problem is we are relatively slow and lack finishing ability and you have the makings of a very medicore team.

MZA is not a problem if we are getting from everyone else what we should be getting.

We are not, and little guys like MZA get singled out becuse they epitmoize the perception.

We play a small game so we look smaller than we are. If MZA was 4 inches and 20lbs heavier, someeone else would be targeted.
 
Tawnos said:
RB: What about Patrick Kane, Brad Marchand, Jiri Hudler, Tyler Kennedy, Andy MacDonald, Ray Whitney.

Obviously Zucc is smaller than those guys, and some are/were world class players. But you can win a Cup with these kinds of players on your roster.
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Kane has an excellent chance at winning the Hart this season after winning the Conn Smythe last summer. He was the first pick overall in 2007. He scored the GWG goal in game 6 in 2010.

None of those guys are 5-7.

Most of those guys are better players.

Tyler Kennedy is a role player.

Calgary gave Hudler $4M per and most of the hockey world was aghast at that contract.
 
I bet there will be some good trade rumor buzz Saturday afternoon. Oh, wait, is this still the MZA thread?

Sorry guys, my bad. :D
 
I've been on here once this last week. The discussion was about trading MZA while his value was "high". There seemed to be a resolution by the time I left that day.

I come back on and the topic is still on MZA...

Few threads below this is the discussion about Potvin nearly signing with the Rangers, right?
 
BlueshirtBlitz said:
People saying trade MZA make me laugh.

if he was bigger he'd be a better player, sure. So would anybody in the league. Chara would be better if he was 7'1.

But he's not bigger. And he's still a great player. Trading him would be an awful move.
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But if we trade him today we could potentially get Sather free rub downs at Elizabeth Arden for a year as part of the trade.

Maximize value bro, maximize value.
 
RangerBoy said:
Kane has an excellent chance at winning the Hart this season after winning the Conn Smythe last summer. He was the first pick overall in 2007. He scored the GWG goal in game 6 in 2010.

None of those guys are 5-7.

Most of those guys are better players.

Tyler Kennedy is a role player.

Calgary gave Hudler $4M per and most of the hockey world was aghast at that contract.
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Thanks, but I know who those players are. (Hudler, by the way, is totally living up to that contract)

You made a point. I made a counter point. You explained who the players are. In other words, you're making it up as you go along to reinforce your argument. The whole idea that teams can't win with a player like Zucc is beyond batty. Teams win with small players all the time.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
Size alone isn't everything. Or even anything.

But take, for example, Jamie Benn. The amount of plays he makes with his reach, whether opening up passing lanes or tweaking his shooting angle to fool goalies, is astounding. All things being equal it is still a huge advantage in today's game.
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Size with toughness also helps in a scrum in front of the net...watch this video right till the very end . We certainly have no forward that currently can offer this up...well...we do if you clone 3 guys into one . :D http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/120954
 
Tawnos said:
Thanks, but I know who those players are. (Hudler, by the way, is totally living up to that contract)

You made a point. I made a counter point. You explained who the players are. In other words, you're making it up as you go along to reinforce your argument. The whole idea that teams can't win with a player like Zucc is beyond batty. Teams win with small players all the time.
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They do have size though to back up smaller players like Kennedy. So did Chicago for Kane although is supremely talented. The Pens had Hossa, still have Malkin. Bill Guerin was on those teams. Malkin is big. Jordan Staal. Ryan Malone as well. Hossa on the Hawks. Toews has size. Big buff too. They have Bickell now. Detroit had Holmstrom and Bertuzzi, Datsyuk and Zetterberg are average sized players. Boston epitomizes size. Chara, Lucic, Horton, and now Iginla and Loui Eriksson is a bigger body. Ducks have Perry and Getzlaf. Penner and Bobby Ryan added to that team. Pronger on defense. You need skilled size to win with those shifty smaller players.

Can you win with smaller players? Yes. You need size with skill to back them up which we do not have. You cannot have so many undersized players and win.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
They do have size though to back up smaller players like Kennedy. So did Chicago for Kane although is supremely talented. The Pens had Hossa, still have Malkin. Bill Guerin was on those teams. Malkin is big. Jordan Staal. Ryan Malone as well. Hossa on the Hawks. Toews has size. Big buff too. They have Bickell now. Detroit had Holmstrom and Bertuzzi, Datsyuk and Zetterberg are average sized players. Boston epitomizes size. Chara, Lucic, Horton, and now Iginla and Loui Eriksson is a bigger body. Ducks have Perry and Getzlaf. Penner and Bobby Ryan added to that team. Pronger on defense. You need skilled size to win with those shifty smaller players.

Can you win with smaller players? Yes. You need size with skill to back them up which we do not have. You cannot have so many undersized players and win.
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Ryan Malone didn't win the cup with Pittsburgh. Todd Bertuzzi didn't win the cup with Detroit. Bobby Ryan didn't win the cup with Anaheim. I don't know where you're going with this.

So we should trade Zucc because the players around him are small? I don't understand the point you're trying to prove.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
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Can you win with smaller players? Yes. You need size with skill to back them up which we do not have. You cannot have so many undersized players and win.
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Makes sense. Totalt actually. Then it is a matter WHO to keep up front. In respective size category

BIG
Boyle $$
Nash $$$$$
Pyatt $$
Kreider $
Pouliot $

MEDIUM
Richards $$$$$
Brassard $$$
Miller $
Moore $
Dorset $
Stepan $$$

SMALL
(Asham) $
Hagelin $$
Cally $$$$
MZA $

Little guys are bringing the best game consistently all year (Asham is demoted and Cally has been hurt all year) - especially considering Bang for the buck. Big guys either have no skill or are not showing it more than in flashes. Start in the right end & look elsewhere when you want to make the appropriate roster adjustments. Seems Pretty clear what excess fat to trim first...
 
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I really hope Miller can develop nicely and add a couple of pounds, we need size and speed at center so bad it hurts.
 
If we swapped MZA for Palmieri, would anaheim suddenly start losing? Cuz, you know, teams can't win with a 5'7" player on the team.
 
Ottawa is a budget team. No way they go for that, even if the cap hits worked, which they probably don't.
 
RangersHank said:
Joke?
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Always joking. If the agreements where there to waive any clause in the contracts, why not. This move would be highly unpleasant in many ways, but look at it this way:


Spezza is top class (90-95), Lehner (might) become (85-92).

Hank is at 92 and showing signs of decline. Nash is an enigma.

This is a long term investment. Spezza can be the mentor for Stepan and JT. Lehner ... I mean, let's have a look at the Olympics, he may get a shot.
 
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