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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part IX: Dubinsky, Rozsival and a 2nd

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Gardner McKay said:
The problem is... the other team will have to want to make those trades. I see no reason for either of those teams to make a trade. Toronto on a needs basis. EDM on a value basis.
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So expand the Edmonton trade to include a 3rd Rounder.
Girardi, Boyle, Hrivik/St.Croix, 3rd Rounder for Eberle and 2nd Pair D-man.
I don't think that trade lacks value to Edmonton. Girardi is having an off-year but he's still our top pair D-man on a pretty strong defense. He gives them another veteran presence there with Ference. From the Rangers perspective they get a skilled 1st-line offensive player in Eberle. My only hesitation would be if we are afraid Staal wont come back healthy or resign with us. Although after next season Skjei could be ready and McIlrath would hopefully have played a full season by that point. Getting Eberle means we would be set with wingers for our first three lines: Nash, Eberle, Kreider, Zucc, Hagelin and Callahan. Assuming that Callahan comes back, or they could fill that spot with Kristo if ready. Dorsett likely stays too, leaving one 4th line spot open to hopefully a big body type, intimidating player.

I guess the Toronto trade could be in question, but the Rangers and Leafs have been rumored to be talking so it may not be that far off. Could be more pieces involved though too.
 
Prucha wasn't a playmaker. He was opportunistic who took advantage of a power play that had two outstanding playmakers.

MZA is a playmaker. Tremendous ice vision and his IQ has increased.

Del zotto has regressed two straight seasons. His skill is undeniable. He's just a wimp who doesn't want to take a hit. He's also stupid and has been in two different dog houses in two years. I think he'll turn out OK just not in this market.
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
id love Ceci but i doubt Sens move him ..id want Zack Smith back in a deal especially with Boyle as an UFA and who knows if Lindberg will be 100% ready by next season. its better to find a replacement now..

id consider this:

Zack Smith, Curtis Lazar, Matt Puempel, Mark Borowiecki to Rangers

Del Zotto, Brassard and Boyle to Senators..

Rangers get some youth in Puempel and Lazar (former first round pick), some nastiness on defense in Borowiecki and some grit and PK ability in Smith 25 years old younger and grittier and can score more than Boyle...
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If there is a deal with the Senators, you definitely want Borowiecki to be part of the package coming back. Great skater, hits like a truck, fights when he has to (look him up on YouTube). Great penalty killer and shut down guy. I went to school with him at Clarkson - team captain, all heart. Very underrated puck skills. Really steady and consistent. On a 2 way this year, and 600k one way next year. Came right out of school and ended up in the top 4 in the AHL team's Calder Cup run. He's now one of the youngest Captains in the AHL.

He's Ottawa's only d-man that is waiver exempt and they have 7 up already. He basically forced his way on to the team earlier this year, but their budget forced them to send him back.

Would be great to see him with the Rangers (alumni trips would be shorter).
 
GWOW said:
Prucha wasn't a playmaker. He was opportunistic who took advantage of a power play that had two outstanding playmakers.

MZA is a playmaker. Tremendous ice vision and his IQ has increased.

Del zotto has regressed two straight seasons. His skill is undeniable. He's just a wimp who doesn't want to take a hit. He's also stupid and has been in two different dog houses in two years. I think he'll turn out OK just not in this market.
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I am not sure if I buy that AV don't like DZ. You know, we need something from DZ as a team. It would have been vital for us. If he could have been a strong top 4 RD. He couldn't be that. AV pressured him just like he pressured Zucc. DZ still couldn't deliver.

Let's say Staal had been dealt or injured, I just don't get why AV would "not" like DZ in relation to our other Ds. The last weeks, DZ has played perfectly fine hockey. He has made a lot of good plays that AV asks from his Ds, and he has instantly been awarded with ice time.
 
azaloum90 said:
Right now we face worst case scenario play from a majority of players...

The ones that do not get better are the ones that will be traded... It seems MDZ has picked up his game, and that's good...

It's looking more and more right now that Girardi will be the Defensemen to go, and not MDZ... But really going to depend on who AV finds more valuable to keep at the deadline in my opinion. Bottom line is Forward depth will be bought by the Rangers, and I see a defenseman going at the deadline

I can tell this for sure: Staal is not going Anywhere, and it seems AV is sold on him:
http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/2...oncussion/note-marc-staal-is-making-progress/
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That is just the basic Staal report, don't know if it's that much of a vote of confident. Staal has on or of been a young super solid top 30 D in this league who has struggled thanks to a ton of injuries and him taking forever to get back on the ice every single injury he gets. And there has been plenty of 'em.

I am starting to feel more and more that when the timing is good, Staal is the one who should get moved.

My thinking is pretty basic:
-We got a tremendous logjam a LD.

-We need offense from our blueline.

-Staal got a tremendous rep in this league and a lot of value. Good contract.

-It's hard for us to get good value for DZ it seems. So it's like either we get little return for DZ or a really solid package for Staal.

-I am just rubbed the wrong way by how Staal is reacting from his concussions. Other players are coming back and the concussion flood wave we saw for a while has seemed to slow down. But Staal seems to be really shaken by normal hits or high sticks.

What do I know about the market for Staal, but from my point of view these rough deals don't seem that far fetched:
-Staal for Zinbanejad and Cesi

-Staal for Ryan Murphy and a 1st

-Staal for Yakupov

-Staal for Foligno, Myers and a 2nd (Buffalo retaining 2m of Myers contract) (only to he considered if we believe that Girardi might be on the out and we must find a option for him too) (yes I do feel that Myers still can be a good player in this league on a good team and if paired with McD!)
 
I wouldn't mind trading DZ, but I don't think we got anybody who are much better now, or we can get anything good in return. So I would keep him for now. Staal probably would be good to trade. After his injuries he is not the same.
 
Ola said:
That is just the basic Staal report, don't know if it's that much of a vote of confident. Staal has on or of been a young super solid top 30 D in this league who has struggled thanks to a ton of injuries and him taking forever to get back on the ice every single injury he gets. And there has been plenty of 'em.

I am starting to feel more and more that when the timing is good, Staal is the one who should get moved.

My thinking is pretty basic:
-We got a tremendous logjam a LD.

-We need offense from our blueline.

-Staal got a tremendous rep in this league and a lot of value. Good contract.

-It's hard for us to get good value for DZ it seems. So it's like either we get little return for DZ or a really solid package for Staal.

-I am just rubbed the wrong way by how Staal is reacting from his concussions. Other players are coming back and the concussion flood wave we saw for a while has seemed to slow down. But Staal seems to be really shaken by normal hits or high sticks.

What do I know about the market for Staal, but from my point of view these rough deals don't seem that far fetched:
-Staal for Zinbanejad and Cesi

-Staal for Ryan Murphy and a 1st

-Staal for Yakupov

-Staal for Foligno, Myers and a 2nd (Buffalo retaining 2m of Myers contract) (only to he considered if we believe that Girardi might be on the out and we must find a option for him too) (yes I do feel that Myers still can be a good player in this league on a good team and if paired with McD!)
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Staal and Callahan for Ehrhoff and Girgenson?
 
Personally, I think it would be an awful decision to build around the premise that MDZ can be a good top-4 defenseman consistently over the next 5-10 years of his NHL career.

Just my opinion.
 
I think anyone who believes we're going to get near market value for Staal is mistaken. This guy has a black cloud over him, he's had major injury problems and the threat of him going to Carolina means we will be lucky to get anything for him. Which is fine really. I think he has possibly been the single most overrated player on this board since I have been part of it, which goes back to before this version. He is not the same player he used to be. He is a gallon of milk that you bought ten days ago. He's about to go bad. Take what you can at this point. Get something back, because he cannot be relied oupon to resign, and he cannot be relied upon to stay healthy if he does. Cut your losses. Tough break.
 
So the latest rumor on the Sens board is that the deal is going to be Weircioch for Del Zotto and other minor pieces involved.
 
DJB said:
So the latest rumor on the Sens board is that the deal is going to be Weircioch for Del Zotto and other minor pieces involved.
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No disrespect to Sens fans or their team, but i'd be quite ticked if Wiercioch or Gryba was the center piece coming back in a DZ deal.
 
SML said:
I think anyone who believes we're going to get near market value for Staal is mistaken. This guy has a black cloud over him, he's had major injury problems and the threat of him going to Carolina means we will be lucky to get anything for him. Which is fine really. I think he has possibly been the single most overrated player on this board since I have been part of it, which goes back to before this version. He is not the same player he used to be. He is a gallon of milk that you bought ten days ago. He's about to go bad. Take what you can at this point. Get something back, because he cannot be relied oupon to resign, and he cannot be relied upon to stay healthy if he does. Cut your losses. Tough break.
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:handclap::handclap::handclap: Couldn't agree more with this.

I have nothing against Staal, I just have always felt that people on this board have consistently overrated his play. Whether that's because of his last name or because he's a "home-grown" player, it's always been the case. My father and I have watched games since Staal became a Ranger and we'd always point out his errors.

Looking to the future, I say trade him for a 2nd/prospect or a 1st (depending on health) before next year and avoid him bolting to Carolina.
 
Wiercioch plays left or right side.

Borowiecki is from Ottawa, signed cheap and management loves him. Doubt he gets traded.
 
Fitzy said:
So we can create an endless cycle of trading off all players who are performing well before they land good contracts, in exchange for picks to draft players who we'll then trade as soon as they start producing.

But especially Zuccarello. Quickly, before he becomes a point per game player and we're really in trouble as a franchise.
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What endless cycle? Usually its the other way. Hold onto to the player and then the value drops. Dubinsky signs his contract and has the worst year of his career. Del Zotto. Prucha.
 
GAGLine said:
The problem is, you keep assuming that MZA is going to regress from what he is now. What if he keeps playing this way? Wouldn't he then be worth 3.5 a year? Wouldn't it then be in our best interest to keep him?

I agree an evaluation has to be done, but you've obviously long since made up your mind.
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He is a small forward. You don't believe a major reason why the Rangers haven't won much is because they have a history of small teams. They aren't very physical. Aren't big. The Rangers had the best years of the franchise in the last 20 plus years is when the team is a big and strong team. The early 1990's teams. 11-12 team.
 
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