Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposals Thread | No More Pacifism For the Oilers?

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Kudos to Hutton. More balls than our spineless media combined

Disagree heavily. Pikard has been fantastic most of the year. Had a few bad games recently but the entire team is struggling. One of those, when it rains it pours type things.

in the playoffs last year he came in and saved the team because skinner was terrible. Hutton saying the game is too fast for him. I don’t see it. Awful take. He doesn’t even know how to say his last name properly. I don’t think he’s watching edm enough.
 
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Kudos to Hutton. More balls than our spineless media combined

It's not like Hutton is even bashing Skinner. It's about his inconsistency, and about Pickard isn't much of a safety net.

Disagree heavily. Pikard has been fantastic most of the year. Had a few bad games recently but the entire team is struggling. One of those, when it rains it pours type things.

in the playoffs last year he came in and saved the team because skinner was terrible. Hutton saying the game is too fast for him. I don’t see it. Awful take. He doesn’t even know how to say his last name properly. I don’t think he’s watching edm enough.
Imo Pickard has been good but with limited starts and with the opposition likely not focusing their scouting on him. I'm not quite sold, but if we made a goalie swap and Pickard was the one who stayed I wouldn't hate it, even though I'd prefer to keep Skinner
 
It isn’t impossible to find a goalie. If Kevin Lowe could do it I don’t want to hear after 10 years that Stuart Back Up Skinner is the best anyone here can do.
Your example is a trade in year one of the salary cap era, where the Oilers benefitted from several teams' immediate need to purge salary to get under a $39m salary cap. Nothing to do with the topic at hand, but necessary context.

The Oilers can absolutely trade for a goaltender. I still think they should, because I'm personally not sure Calvin Pickard could run with the job if Skinner went down with a significant injury. But trading for a goalie doesn't mean you've found a goalie. Quite frequently that attempt ends up being a catastrophic failure.

This year's Washington Capitals are an example of why it isn't necessary to pay significant assets at the position. Aspire to be them.
 
Your example is a trade in year one of the salary cap era, where the Oilers benefitted from several teams' immediate need to purge salary to get under a $39m salary cap. Nothing to do with the topic at hand, but necessary context.

The Oilers can absolutely trade for a goaltender. I still think they should, because I'm personally not sure Calvin Pickard could run with the job if Skinner went down with a significant injury. But trading for a goalie doesn't mean you've found a goalie. Quite frequently that attempt ends up being a catastrophic failure.

This year's Washington Capitals are an example of why it isn't necessary to pay significant assets at the position. Aspire to be them.

How has Skinner shown that he can run with the job at all? This team is trending to miss the playoffs...
 
How has Skinner shown that he can run with the job at all? This team is trending to miss the playoffs...
Prior to the stretch where the team decided to take a giant shit defensively, his numbers were trending in the right direction.

The way this team is playing, an 'upgrade' at the position won't get them out of the 1st round the easy things have been trending. I'm not sure why people think that Gibson will suddenly right the ship, knowing that so many returning players are having off years.
 
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Every time I wake up in the morning or refresh the Oilers site, I look for a green thread with ‘x player(s) traded’ to us, with hope!

I know there are crappy goalies out there, but at this point. I almost don’t care if they have worse stats than Mr. mustache, so long as we get a change!

I don’t know if the new crappy/maybe not goalie is better than what we currently have but I KNOW for 100% certainty that we won’t win the cup with what we currently have. So there’s still a chance with a preferred crappy goalie! (Insert you’re telling me there’s a chance.gif lol).

I’m not the most senior person on this board, but close enough to know we cannot win with what we have currently. It’s too bad, and it’s sad but here we are.

Edit: It’s too bad, and it’s sad. I’m a poet and I don’t even know it.

Edit:edit: I didn’t think I could rhyme the second time!

It’s been a long day fellow Oil fans - let’s hope for a good to great trade deadline! Oh and fLames suck!
 
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Prior to the stretch where the team decided to take a giant shit defensively, his numbers were trending in the right direction.

The way this team is playing, an 'upgrade' at the position won't get them out of the 1st round the easy things have been trending. I'm not sure why people think that Gibson will suddenly right the ship, knowing that so many returning players are having off years.

Give it up, man. They were mostly playing airtight D to cover for him. He was routinely facing fewer high danger chances than the opposition. During our horrible stretch at the start of the season all advanced stats (and a basic eye test) indicated that he was far and away the biggest reason why the team sucked. The dude was only slightly above 4giev for dead last in the league.
 
Disagree heavily. Pikard has been fantastic most of the year. Had a few bad games recently but the entire team is struggling. One of those, when it rains it pours type things.

in the playoffs last year he came in and saved the team because skinner was terrible. Hutton saying the game is too fast for him. I don’t see it. Awful take. He doesn’t even know how to say his last name properly. I don’t think he’s watching edm enough.
Pickard has been brutal, man. He plays against the weaker teams and is 79th in goals saved above expected
 
Skinner has been regressing each of the last two seasons, so his youth is no guarantee that he'll get better with age. He imploded in three out of six playoff series, basically cost us a Cup in 2023, and will only collapse more now that the D can't protect him. He's been under .900 in his last five games and looks way too slow to survive in this league. He's clearly not good enough to be the starter, his GSAx puts him at a level equal to a below average backup, and I'm not convinced he'd even keep a backup job on any of the 31 other teams. Now is the time to trade him.
I get where your coming from, but this team is just not good to goaltenders, despite what our defensive analytics say. For as much talk as there is about how soft goals cause our players to deflate, what about the opposite? Having a braindead Bouchard giveaway every period, or allowing a shorthanded breakaway in the dying moments of a 1g game to the other teams best player, or pucks deflecting off our guys and in seemingly every other game. Those probably deflate a goalie a bit too. Those same issues will be here with Gibson, and they need to be tightened up before I'm ready to throw Stu away, like we did with Dubnyk.

Im not saying don't get a goalie, he shouldn't have been a starter all these years imo. I'm saying don't get rid of him at his lowest value, like we are all too familiar with. Imagine someone along with Janmark scored in G7 and we won, suddenly Stu is a cup winning G under 27 who put up better numbers than a legend in Bobrovsky, signed for under 3m. His value would be so much higher, and not due to any change in his play, but rather the team in front of him playing to their potential on offense.

Imo, Pickard is where we need an upgrade. He is a career journeyman that the team doesn't trust to take the reins (for good reason), there is no potential there whatsoever. And he isnt a guy that Stu has to strive to outplay, because everyone and their dog knows that this isn't, nor will it ever be Pickards team.
 
Don’t care about the excuses brother. It’s year 10 of McDavid. Get him a goalie. Put up or shut up rather than waste another year of his prime.
Or salt the Earth for a guy who can't cut the mustard and sticks out like a sore thumb with a $5.4m price tag that you can't move. That's the risk you take.

It isn't excuses. It's reality. The cost of necessitating that trade should be enough to make one look elsewhere. But instead, two dozen games of anomalous hockey on a fringe playoff team has people starry-eyed, overlooking the previous four years of sub-standard performance.
 
I get where your coming from, but this team is just not good to goaltenders, despite what our defensive analytics say. For as much talk as there is about how soft goals cause our players to deflate, what about the opposite? Having a braindead Bouchard giveaway every period, or allowing a shorthanded breakaway in the dying moments of a 1g game to the other teams best player, or pucks deflecting off our guys and in seemingly every other game. Those probably deflate a goalie a bit too. Those same issues will be here with Gibson, and they need to be tightened up before I'm ready to throw Stu away, like we did with Dubnyk.

Im not saying don't get a goalie, he shouldn't have been a starter all these years imo. I'm saying don't get rid of him at his lowest value, like we are all too familiar with. Imagine someone along with Janmark scored in G7 and we won, suddenly Stu is a cup winning G under 27 who put up better numbers than a legend in Bobrovsky, signed for under 3m. His value would be so much higher, and not due to any change in his play, but rather the team in front of him playing to their potential on offense.

Imo, Pickard is where we need an upgrade. He is a career journeyman that the team doesn't trust to take the reins (for good reason), there is no potential there whatsoever. And he isnt a guy that Stu has to strive to outplay, because everyone and their dog knows that this isn't, nor will it ever be Pickards team.

Well, the defense was horrible here when Mike Smith was playing above his head. Skinner had peak Ekholm and still had epic collapses, and him and Pickard had it easy for a lot of this season and still performed in the bottom tier of the league. It's more that this team hasn't been good with choosing goaltenders, especially Koskinen, Skinner, and Campbell, though a good argument could be made that Dustin Schwartz made all of them even worse.

And shitting on Bouchard won't change the fact that everything tells us most NHL goalies could stop more of his f***ups than Stu. You have to think every mistake being an auto-goal against that doofus is doing a number on Bouchard's confidence, to say nothing of the morons in the media desperately covering for Stu. I'm sorry you actually believe some of what they're saying...

Stu is simply too slow for this league. Anyone gets a wraparound on him and you know that's going in. There's a reason why every top team is having their way with Skinner.

Also, Dubnyk played outstanding on a terrible team, where as with Stu it was the opposite...now the rest of the team seems to have become almost as bad as our goaltending. Wouldn't surprise me if that's where the first domino fell...
 
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Your example is a trade in year one of the salary cap era, where the Oilers benefitted from several teams' immediate need to purge salary to get under a $39m salary cap. Nothing to do with the topic at hand, but necessary context.

The Oilers can absolutely trade for a goaltender. I still think they should, because I'm personally not sure Calvin Pickard could run with the job if Skinner went down with a significant injury. But trading for a goalie doesn't mean you've found a goalie. Quite frequently that attempt ends up being a catastrophic failure.

This year's Washington Capitals are an example of why it isn't necessary to pay significant assets at the position. Aspire to be them.

lol, the Capitals have had several better goalies than anyone the Oilers have had the last 10 years.

This team doesn't give a f*** about its goaltending, the Caps do, that's why they are able to hit pay dirt, it's an organizational priority for them, it isn't for the Oilers.

How many "catastrophic failures" have we had at forward by the way? How many of Lucic, Athansiou, Strome, 4 million for Brown, Arvidsson, Skinner have worked out here. They've made one really good forward add in Hyman and that's basically it, so lets not act like "it's only goaltending where this team doesn't have so-called luck".

They don't know how to build a forward group either.

Skinner is no better than Pickard either, we are in the same boat with either one of these back ups. Now that teams are scouting us tighter, these two are getting exposed, the numbers against top teams speak for themselves.
 
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