Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposals Thread | No More Pacifism For the Oilers?

[FlameChampion]

The reality is we are stuck in a vicious cycle.

The goalies play okay when the team is structured in front of them (last couple months of 2024).
The team plays confidently and structured when the goalies are playing okay.

The goalies are slipping so the team goes off the rails, playing with fear of being scored on, which then makes it impossible for the goalies to get back on track.

Problem is the goaltending never bails out the team when they being outplayed.

The team bails out the goaltending far more often when they are playing poorly.

Goaltending plays good when the team plays good.

Our goaltending gets outplayed like 80% of the time it feels like.

 

[oXo Cube]

Connor McDavid - 11 points +5 in the Finals
Alex Barkov - 5 points, -1 in the Finals

Yeah ... I don't think he "flat out won" that matchup, lol.

Head to head yes he did.

Connor also kept his end of the deal though in the grand scheme. He ranched the Panthers when Knoblach was able to get him away from Barkov.

 

[Mr Positive]

I'm telling you right now, Gibson's save percentage would plummet if he was on the Oilers with the way they are playing right now

Except our goalie stats were not even good when we were playing well. And just look at the overall goalie stats. Anaheim has been a worse team than ours

 

[Sanchez]

Panthers just traded for a goalie. Our Management is still trying to trade for a goalie in NHL 2025.

 

[Soundwave]

The other problem with "average goaltending" is let me put it this way, so I believe a few pages back it was posted that

.901 is the average save percentage in the NHL

The Oilers are below this at around .89x something between their two backup goalies.

Now some posters here will take that and say "see? They're almost average, and average can't be that bad".

What you're not factoring in is that "average" is dragged down by bad teams.

The "average" for "good teams" is probably quite a bit higher than .901. THOSE are the teams the Oilers are competing with if they want to win anything. You don't get to play like San Jose in the playoffs.

The average for actual good teams in net is probably more like .905 or better, so that means that Oilers are significantly worse than that.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Panthers just traded for a goalie. Our Management is still trying to trade for a goalie in NHL 2025.

They haven't even figured out how to turn the game on.

 

[Soundwave]

Head to head yes he did.

Connor also kept his end of the deal though in the grand scheme. He ranched the Panthers when Knoblach was able to get him away from Barkov.

So like what would be "even" ... Connor scoring 14 points to Barkov scoring 4 points? And what would be McDavid outplaying Barkov then? McDavid having 20 points to Barkov's 2?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Except our goalie stats were not even good when we were playing well. And just look at the overall goalie stats. Anaheim has been a worse team than ours

no, from their best stretch from Nov 7th to February 7th...Skinner had a .908% and Pickard a .906%

league average is .903

 

[McAsuno]

Not the goalies fault pffffffffttttttt

 

[TB12]

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Shame on the forwards and defence! Shame on them for openly saying the early goals against deflated their energy.

But gj pickard and skinner!

Looking forward to the "yah buts" on this one from the usual suspects. Christ, the goaltenders union has a branch in HFOil and they are f***ing loyal. Stupid but loyal.

CantHaveSkinnerorPicard in net in game 1. Otherwise it's just a waste of 8 days.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You can score more goals when you have trustworthy goaltending and solid d. It lets your team pay a little looser a little more free.

100%.

so the defense and lack of offense will continue to lose them games...so that's better eh

We can't overhaul the play of the rest of the team. For the most part, I'm content with this being just a slump for now, I'm sure they will break out of it sooner or later, as they haven't been this bad all season. But even when the rest of the team figures it out, they still have to contend with having a bottom 3 goalie duo in the NHL.

 

[oXo Cube]

So like what would be "even" ... Connor scoring 14 points to Barkov scoring 4 points? And what would be McDavid outplaying Barkov then? McDavid having 20 points to Barkov's 2?

What would be even would be the greatest offensive player of this generation scoring some goals when playing against Barkov. He didn't do that.

Not sure how else I can explain this to you.

 

[GM BoJack]

Duh.

And moving Spencer Knight helped them land a stud in Jones.

The point is they continue to build and get stronger in all areas of their game. It was an observation.

So far we got Frederic.

Getting a backup after losing one isn’t depth lol They’re just replacing another body.

I don’t think we’re getting a goalie. Prove me wrong BoJack! Stan’s getting us Oleksiak and that’s it for TDL.

 

[McAsuno]

Looking forward to the "yah buts" on this one from the usual suspects. Christ, the goaltenders union has a branch in HFOil and they are f***ing loyal. Stupid but loyal.

CantHaveSkinnerorPicard in net in game 1. Otherwise it's just a waste of 8 days.

4 goals on 8 shots = f*** you oilers forwards and defence for getting deflated and losing energy.

Not like the team has been covering for these sieves the whole season. Eventually it drains and tires them out because any mistake ends up in the back of the net. The 2-1 goal started that nonsense. That goal shouldn’t gone in to begin with. f***ing useless.

 

[Soundwave]

Looking forward to the "yah buts" on this one from the usual suspects. Christ, the goaltenders union has a branch in HFOil and they are f***ing loyal. Stupid but loyal.

CantHaveSkinnerorPicard in net in game 1. Otherwise it's just a waste of 8 days.

They might be able to eek it out against LA if Connor decides to bail the team out but I have a feeling he's just mentally very tired of the same shit here year after year. LA would likely be really hungry to beat us too given how often we've shit on them.

I think Connor hit his breaking point here, took about 10 seasons, but the Oilers finally managed to do it, lol. Bravo.

He just looks like he doesn't have time for any bull shit here any more.

What would be even would be the greatest offensive player of this generation scoring some goals when playing against Barkov. He didn't do that.

Not sure how else I can explain this to you.

Scoring in a Finals is hard, Crosby did f*** all in Pittsburgh's first Cup win, wasn't even one of the 5 best players in the series. Got ouplayed by Max Talbot.

 

[rboomercat90]

Maybe it's time to call Derek Ryan back up? lol can't believe I'm saying this.

Maybe, his demotion also correlates with the start of the teams slide.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

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Not the goalies fault pffffffffttttttt

Korpisalo and Forsberg aren't on this list, so make that change.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

I don't really care if the Oilers add anything other than a goalie. Signing Klingberg to a 1.7M dollar deal without knowing about Kane was stupid. Grabbing Kapenen off of waivers was stupid. You can put Kap on waivers, move Klingberg, and try to convince J Skinner to waive, or move Janmark, to free up space to get a goalie at 50% retention.

Even Janmark has a limited NTC. Can’t just move him easily.

 

[Soundwave]

Even Janmark has a limited NTC. Can’t just move him easily.

I'm told Bowman and Jackson tried to give Stauffer a NMC but were confused when they were told they can't do that.

 

[oXo Cube]

Scoring in a Finals is hard, Crosby did f*** all in Pittsburgh's first Cup win, wasn't even one of the 5 best players in the series. Got ouplayed by Max Talbot.

I'll stop responding because we're well off topic at this point, but the entire point I'm making is that McDavid didn't have trouble scoring in the Finals except for when he was matched up against Sasha Barkov.

It's just a description of what happened over a small sample against an elite defensive player. He owned Draisaitl too. It doesn't mean anything about who these two are as players.

 

[MoontoScott]

Maybe, his demotion also correlates with the start of the teams slide.

Ryan was one of the more mature figures in the room. I know that this was also recognized by fans and players alike.

 

[CycloneSweep]

The other problem with "average goaltending" is let me put it this way, so I believe a few pages back it was posted that

.901 is the average save percentage in the NHL

The Oilers are below this at around .89x something between their two backup goalies.

Now some posters here will take that and say "see? They're almost average, and average can't be that bad".

What you're not factoring in is that "average" is dragged down by bad teams.

The "average" for "good teams" is probably quite a bit higher than .901. THOSE are the teams the Oilers are competing with if they want to win anything. You don't get to play like San Jose in the playoffs.

The average for actual good teams in net is probably more like .905 or better, so that means that Oilers are significantly worse than that.

Looking at full picture s% is deceptive because special teams can twist that a bunch.
912 is the average 5v5 s%. The Oilers are at 906...which is good for 22nd in the league.
Skinner is a 903 and Pickard is a 910.
So 5v5 where the majority of the game is played. Our goalies are not even top 20.
We are also 22nd for GA/60
11th best in Shots against
9th lowest chances against
7th lowest high danger chances
24th highest high danger sv%

So defensively at least analytically, even with that decent stretch our goalies are close to bottom 10 in the league as a group all while the team is hovering in the top 10 for defence.

You put these goalies on other teams and they would arguably be the worst in the league.

 

[TB12]

Our defence and lack of offence has proven this year and last year that hey can be good to great and are playing terribly right now. Doesn't change the fact that they aren't playing well right now but there is hope they can you know, go back to not sucking.

The goaltending never has that cause they at BEST are average.

How is this complicated.

He's being purposely obtuse. Him and another poster are basically just trolling at this point.

"ya you could improve the absolute worst part of the team, but how could that conceivably make them better?" is essentially the crux of their argument. Logic is not something that is very strong with the goalie union on here.

 

[Soundwave]

I'll stop responding because we're well off topic at this point, but the entire point I'm making is that McDavid didn't have trouble scoring in the Finals except for when he was matched up against Sasha Barkov.

It's just a description of what happened over a small sample against an elite defensive player. He owned Draisatl too. It doesn't mean anything about who these two are as players.

Fun fact, in the first two Cup Finals that Crosby won, he a grand total of 1 goal in 13 Finals games.

7 points total and a -3 in those two Finals. In 2009, he behind Max Talbot for team scoring, in 2016 he got outscored by Kris Letang.

Must be nice to get carried to a Cup.

EDIT: In the 3 Finals Pittsburgh won, Crosby had 2 total goals in 19 Finals games, lol.

 

[MoontoScott]

I'm told Bowman and Jackson tried to give Stauffer a NMC but were confused when they were told they can't do that.

I think Bob Stuffer has a life long deal with the Oilers so I can't see the team trying to move him.