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Eklund thowing crap against the wall again.. I don't see the Sens in play here.
I can imagine Nylander accepting a bridge deal that walks him to UFA from the Sens though.
 

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So anybody else look at Ek's -4, Burns playing defence like Cody Ceci, Joe Thornton's injury and think..........hmmm, if they miss the playoffs and it goes to the Lottery, could we be picking #1 overall?

Could happen. San Jose always gets their act together, but a lot of old players, not a ton of depth, and the goalies leave a bit to be desired.

the dream for Jack Hughes isn't dead, it's juts beginning.

I'm cheering for every San Jose loss, but it's still too small of a sample size to get too excited. San Jose barely missing the playoffs and us getting absurdly lucky in the draft lottery could save that trade.

San Jose missing will be interesting, because if they are out of it by the deadline, and talks with Karl aren't progressing, I wonder if they deal him else where.
 
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I'm cheering for every San Jose loss, but it's still too small of a sample size to get too excited. San Jose barely missing the playoffs and us getting absurdly lucky in the draft lottery could save that trade.

San Jose missing will be interesting, because if they are out of it by the deadline, and talks with Karl aren't progressing, I wonder if they deal him else where.

Was the issue of the 2019 SJS 1st round pick resolved? Wasn't there confusion with Buffalo possibly having that as a conditional pick from the Evan der Kane trade?

I turned away from hockey news for a while after the EK trade so I never saw any clarification on this.

Would the NHL allow SJS to have conditions on the same pick with 2 different teams?
 

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Was the issue of the 2019 SJS 1st round pick resolved? Wasn't there confusion with Buffalo possibly having that as a conditional pick from the Evan der Kane trade?

I turned away from hockey news for a while after the EK trade so I never saw any clarification on this.

Would the NHL allow SJS to have conditions on the same pick with 2 different teams?

The pick San Jose sent to BUF is playoff protected. So if the Sharks miss in 2019, BUF gets the 2020 pick instead.

Basically...

SJS miss playoffs=OTT gets 2019 1st, BUF gets 2020 1st
SJS make playoffs=BUF gets 2019 1st, OTT gets 2020 1st

Either pick we end up with is not lottery protected. So there's a small chance if SJS fails to make the playoffs in whatever year we end up with the pick that we could get lucky and end up with a fair return for Karlsson.

Obviously, that doesn't make the return we got at the time good when judging by Sept 2018 eyes, but with a lot or luck, we could salvage the trade....
 

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So anybody else look at Ek's -4, Burns playing defence like Cody Ceci, Joe Thornton's injury and think..........hmmm, if they miss the playoffs and it goes to the Lottery, could we be picking #1 overall?

Could happen. San Jose always gets their act together, but a lot of old players, not a ton of depth, and the goalies leave a bit to be desired.

the dream for Jack Hughes isn't dead, it's juts beginning.

Despite being 1-2, the Sharks have been a dominant possession team. It's 3 games, over the course of a season, them constantly outshooting and outchancing teams will balance out and they'll win a ton of games. Karlsson is -4 but two of those are empty netters. He's been pretty great for the most part, just a little conservative.
 
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So anybody else look at Ek's -4, Burns playing defence like Cody Ceci, Joe Thornton's injury and think..........hmmm, if they miss the playoffs and it goes to the Lottery, could we be picking #1 overall?

Could happen. San Jose always gets their act together, but a lot of old players, not a ton of depth, and the goalies leave a bit to be desired.

the dream for Jack Hughes isn't dead, it's juts beginning.

I expect them to get it together this year, they have too much talent to struggle all year long.

I'm more-so hoping that Karlsson decides not to re-sign there, Thornton retires and they're left with a lesser team next year, which could lead to a decent pick in 2020.

Now that's a long way off and requires a lot of what-ifs going Ottawa's way, but I might as well hope for the best.
 

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San Jose missing will be interesting, because if they are out of it by the deadline, and talks with Karl aren't progressing, I wonder if they deal him else where.

Making it more interesting, San Jose would be limited in this scenario to dealing EK to a Western conference team that's in playoff contention. Any first rounder they get back from an Eastern team would be negated by the first they'd have to send Ottawa's way.
 

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Per Elliotte Friedman, sounds like there's no love lost between Nylander/his reps and Kyle Dubas...today Nylander's agent apparently slammed Dubas as an inexperienced stats geek and blamed him for the contract stalemate. So a trade is a very real possibility, but as others have pointed out Ottawa likely either doesn't have or isn't willing to give up the pieces Toronto would want.
 

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So anybody else look at Ek's -4, Burns playing defence like Cody Ceci, Joe Thornton's injury and think..........hmmm, if they miss the playoffs and it goes to the Lottery, could we be picking #1 overall?

Could happen. San Jose always gets their act together, but a lot of old players, not a ton of depth, and the goalies leave a bit to be desired.

the dream for Jack Hughes isn't dead, it's juts beginning.

So what you are saying is Karlsson has been subverting the Sharks since his arrival.. probably convinced Thornton to shave his beard for style, which was the source of his powers.. so he's done.

He then probably got Burns hooked on Snus and said cmon man, all us Swedes do it, YOLO. Now he's a jittery mess.

He's probably gonna keep firing stretch passes ahead of Pavelski and cause him to doubt himself by internalizing critiques that he's just too slow.

I see the game thats being played here. I like it.
 

danielpalfredsson

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Making it more interesting, San Jose would be limited in this scenario to dealing EK to a Western conference team that's in playoff contention. Any first rounder they get back from an Eastern team would be negated by the first they'd have to send Ottawa's way.

You're right, but they still probably get back close to what they initially gave up so long as Ottawa doesn't win the lottery.

A team like Toronto, Pittsburgh, Washington, or Tampa could still acquire him, but they'd have to give San Jose enough to offset that conditional 1st they'd have to give Ottawa if Karlsson plays in the East.

There's also a possibility that we could make a three way deal to erase the condition. Let's say SJS have a deal with both a Western team and an Eastern team on the table, and they like the Eastern deal better, they could call us up and say there's no way they're dealing him to the East if they have to give us their future 1st, but they'll send us an asset to erase that clause.

So let's say a team like Washington or Pittsburgh makes a much better offer than a Western team that includes two 1sts, they could offer to send us one of those 1sts to erase the clause, with the trade off being they send Karl out West and we get nothing if we don't accept.

I get a feeling the East clause was more divisional minded with Tampa or Toronto not being where we'd want Karlsson.
 
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danielpalfredsson

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Per Elliotte Friedman, sounds like there's no love lost between Nylander/his reps and Kyle Dubas...today Nylander's agent apparently slammed Dubas as an inexperienced stats geek and blamed him for the contract stalemate. So a trade is a very real possibility, but as others have pointed out Ottawa likely either doesn't have or isn't willing to give up the pieces Toronto would want.

Nylander leaving money on the table makes no sense.

The argument a lot of Leaf fans make is that if he is traded, he'll probably go to a worse team, and he has a chance to be part of a powerhouse on the East for several years, which might be true.

But consider that he's 4th banana up front to a team that has Matthews, Marner, Tavares, and also to a lesser extent Kadri.

I can see how Nylander looks at the situation and sees that if he leaves money on the table, he has no real assurance he will be kept long term. The Leafs D is sub par, and he's their most logical trade chip to fix that. Maybe not right now, but if the Leafs fail in the post season, 1, 2, 3 years from now, there's no way they don't explore a Jones for Johansen type swap to fix their backend.

So he leaves money on the table only to open himself up to being dealt. Or he can force a trade and sign for 8*8 somewhere that he'll be the guy.

I also think there's more pressure for Toronto to resolve this than for Nylander. Nylander is losing money in the short term, but even if he holds out for a year, if it results in an 8M+ AAV, he makes back that lost cash and then some compared to signing a 6.5M type AAV contract now. Expectations from fans and media are for Toronto to go deep. A 1st or soft 2nd round exit with Nylander sitting out would get the team crucified.

I also think there's a different dynamic because Nylander's a dad was a player and their family probably isn't starving. I could be wrong, but I fully expect Nylander's camp to win this, whether that is by a trade, Toronto paying him, or Nylander sitting out the season and eventually getting paid or traded.
 

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If Pageau is your 2nd line centre, then you have a problem. Hardly anything to salivate over.

You're right, but Stone tends to carry his line and elevate those around him. Despite being a winger, I think Stone is the type of player that can mitigate the need for a true 2C on his line.

Obviously, I am not saying we couldn't use an actual 2C.
 
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If Pageau is your 2nd line centre, then you have a problem. Hardly anything to salivate over.

Would be Brown soon, but Pageau can be a pretty good 2nd line C meanwhile if he sticks with Stone. Can probably flirt with 50pts.
 

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You're right, but Stone tends to carry his line and elevate those around him. Despite being a winger, I think Stone is the type of player that can mitigate the need for a true 2C on his line.

Obviously, I am not saying we couldn't use an actual 2C.


With Pageau's LTI and Logan Brown in Belleville, if Ottawa does acquire Nylander I would think he immediately becomes their 2nd line centre (his natural position).
 

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So what you are saying is Karlsson has been subverting the Sharks since his arrival.. probably convinced Thornton to shave his beard for style, which was the source of his powers.. so he's done.

He then probably got Burns hooked on Snus and said cmon man, all us Swedes do it, YOLO. Now he's a jittery mess.

He's probably gonna keep firing stretch passes ahead of Pavelski and cause him to doubt himself by internalizing critiques that he's just too slow.

I see the game thats being played here. I like it.

If EK undermines the Sharks for a last place finish, Ottawa wins the lottery, he returns and sign an extension - then he would officially be a real pirate
 
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Duchene or Stone straight up for Nylander. They have to take Boro too.

We're probably unlikely to be able to sign either guy going forward, so at least we get some protection with Nylander being RFA. Toronto gets a high end rental for their Cup aspirations.
 

Silencio

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Duchene or Stone straight up for Nylander. They have to take Boro too.

We're probably unlikely to be able to sign either guy going forward, so at least we get some protection with Nylander being RFA. Toronto gets a high end rental for their Cup aspirations.

I like this idea, but Toronto has no place for Duchene unless they want to stick him on the 4th line.
 

danielpalfredsson

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Duchene or Stone straight up for Nylander. They have to take Boro too.

We're probably unlikely to be able to sign either guy going forward, so at least we get some protection with Nylander being RFA. Toronto gets a high end rental for their Cup aspirations.

Duchene would make sense of he is willing to take a discount to go to Toronto. Ontario located+cup contender. They sign him at 6*6 or something which would.be a steep discount.

It would have to be something like Duchene+Smith or Duchene+Ceci because I doubt we increase our payroll right now and Nylander probably wants 7.5-8.5 million.

I don't think Toronto does that though. They probably ask for Chabot.
 
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