Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals 2019-20 Part II

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FolignoQuantumLeap

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I guess you don't recall TSN srating that he had basically no value after the wives story broke?

Lots of armchair GMs here believe we should have got a lot more gor Karlsson. He was available all summer when GMs has opportunity to clear cap space. You might consideŕ that a bidding war never emerged and we ended up getting what was available
He was literally traded hours after for decent value. He was hardly available all summer, he was traded before the draft. Summer hadn't even began for the NHL. You either are deliberately lying or do not have the capacity to remember things that happened less than 18 months ago.
 

FolignoQuantumLeap

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He traded a guy who they were ready to move on from for a guy who is much younger and can plug and play. He has pretty consistently done well on small deals, which is exactly what we're discussing.

You're a really funny fella. Not contemplative, per se, but very funny.
Why would you think this is good? Our forward ranks are badly jammed and McCormick's contract was expiring. Having a couple extra contract spots would have been beneficial this season on the waiver wire and filling out the AHL roster. Would much rather be able to just sign Frank Corrado (or someone of his ilk) right now and have him come up so Chabot doesn't have to play 30 minutes a night.
 
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Are you actually pumping Dorions tires for acquiring JC Beaudin? That is pretty wild.

Dorion traded for Nikita Zaitsev in the offseason. Anyone saying Dorion is awful at trades is 100% right. He's made some of the most lopsided trades in NHL history and is a doormat for the rest of the NHL's GMs.

He also acquired Connor Brown for Cody Ceci. He's had some bad trades but he's no Mike Milbury.
 

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Are you actually pumping Dorions tires for acquiring JC Beaudin? That is pretty wild.

Dorion traded for Nikita Zaitsev in the offseason. Anyone saying Dorion is awful at trades is 100% right. He's made some of the most lopsided trades in NHL history and is a doormat for the rest of the NHL's GMs.
That is terrible analysis. Zaitsev is an upgrade and someone the coach wanted. We also got Connor Brown.
 
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He was literally traded hours after for decent value. He was hardly available all summer, he was traded before the draft. Summer hadn't even began for the NHL. You either are deliberately lying or do not have the capacity to remember things that happened less than 18 months ago.
Feel free to ignore context.
 

FolignoQuantumLeap

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That is terrible analysis. Zaitsev is an upgrade and someone the coach wanted. We also got Connor Brown.
Zaitsev is one of the worst players in the NHL today and we have him signed for 5 years. It was a terrible trade. Connor Brown is a decent third liner. There are dozens of Connor Browns out there that wouldn't require us taking on one of the worst contracts in hockey. Dorion absolutely f***ed us on that deal.
 

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Why would you think this is good? Our forward ranks are badly jammed and McCormick's contract was expiring. Having a couple extra contract spots would have been beneficial this season on the waiver wire and filling out the AHL roster. Would much rather be able to just sign Frank Corrado (or someone of his ilk) right now and have him come up so Chabot doesn't have to play 30 minutes a night.
There is literally no D available right now. Contracts are not an issue.
 

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Zaitsev is one of the worst players in the NHL today and we have him signed for 5 years. It was a terrible trade. Connor Brown is a decent third liner. There are dozens of Connor Browns out there that wouldn't require us taking on one of the worst contracts in hockey. Dorion absolutely ****ed us on that deal.
You really don’t care about the truth. Saying Zaitsev is one of the worst players in the NHL is all I need to know about your opinions.
 

SensontheRush

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Zaitsev is one of the worst players in the NHL today and we have him signed for 5 years. It was a terrible trade. Connor Brown is a decent third liner. There are dozens of Connor Browns out there that wouldn't require us taking on one of the worst contracts in hockey. Dorion absolutely ****ed us on that deal.

Why are you the only one that dislikes the trade?
 

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What context? That Dorion wanted Boedker instead of picks for his team that he was about to commit to a full rebuild?
That he had to unload him. Every GM knew Dorion was over a barrel Wilson had no such pressure to move him. That is called context.
 

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All of this so that couple of guys can try and argue that PD is bad because Hall returned ‘better’ assets.

It’s interesting to watch the lengths people will go to be vindictive.

You think a jilted lover is bad, wait until you see jilted sports fan! Hahahaha
 
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Zaitsev is one of the worst players in the NHL today and we have him signed for 5 years. It was a terrible trade. Connor Brown is a decent third liner. There are dozens of Connor Browns out there that wouldn't require us taking on one of the worst contracts in hockey. Dorion absolutely ****ed us on that deal.

I'm not sure which of these sentences is the worst but I'll give you marks for consistency - each one includes a terrible take.
 
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FolignoQuantumLeap

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That he had to unload him. Every GM knew Dorion was over a barrel Wilson had no such pressure to move him. That is called context.
That was just a self imposed deadline. There was no rush to move Hoffman. They handicapped themselves. Hoffman had a conflict with a player they were already in the process of trading. If they had kept Karlsson, you'd have an argument but the wheels were already turning and he had 1 foot out the door. There is no context that makes that insane trade look good. It was all a colossal f*** up on Dorion's part at every turn.
 

FolignoQuantumLeap

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I'm not sure which of these sentences is the worst but I'll give you marks for consistency - each one includes a terrible take.
You'd be hard pressed to count worse defensemen on one hand in the entire league who play regular minutes. For players who've played 250 minutes or more Zaitsev ranks 498th in SCF%, 506th in CF%, 506th SF%, and 469th xGF. Basically the only Dmen who rank below him are all D for the Rangers.

The numbers don't lie. Look at Zaitsev's partner's stats with an away from him. Its night and day and that's been the case for his whole career. Anyone who doesn't see this just doesn't want to and are lying to themselves are just straight up don't know hockey.

Zaitsev is one of the worst players in the NHL and that is an irrefutable fact.
 

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You'd be hard pressed to count worse defensemen on one hand in the entire league who play regular minutes. For players who've played 250 minutes or more Zaitsev ranks 498th in SCF%, 506th in CF%, 506th SF%, and 469th xGF. Basically the only Dmen who rank below him are all D for the Rangers.

The numbers don't lie. Look at Zaitsev's partner's stats with an away from him. Its night and day and that's been the case for his whole career. Anyone who doesn't see this just doesn't want to and are lying to themselves are just straight up don't know hockey.

Zaitsev is one of the worst players in the NHL and that is an irrefutable fact.

Using silly stats to evaluate players is stupid and that is an irrefutable fact.
 
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GCK

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That was just a self imposed deadline. There was no rush to move Hoffman. They handicapped themselves. Hoffman had a conflict with a player they were already in the process of trading. If they had kept Karlsson, you'd have an argument but the wheels were already turning and he had 1 foot out the door. There is no context that makes that insane trade look good. It was all a colossal **** up on Dorion's part at every turn.
I think Dorion still wanted to keep Karlsson. Melnyk and Karlsson had different ideas.
 

GCK

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You'd be hard pressed to count worse defensemen on one hand in the entire league who play regular minutes. For players who've played 250 minutes or more Zaitsev ranks 498th in SCF%, 506th in CF%, 506th SF%, and 469th xGF. Basically the only Dmen who rank below him are all D for the Rangers.

The numbers don't lie. Look at Zaitsev's partner's stats with an away from him. Its night and day and that's been the case for his whole career. Anyone who doesn't see this just doesn't want to and are lying to themselves are just straight up don't know hockey.

Zaitsev is one of the worst players in the NHL and that is an irrefutable fact.
It is a completely refutable fact. Flush your spreadsheet and watch the game. The stats you mentioned will be as useless as plus minus eventually. If you actually watch games and think Zaitsev is that bad you are a lost cause and this is pointless.
 

FolignoQuantumLeap

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It is a completely refutable fact. Flush your spreadsheet and watch the game. The stats you mentioned will be as useless as plus minus eventually. If you actually watch games and think Zaitsev is that bad you are a lost cause and this is pointless.
What part of watching Zaitsev do you like? Him constantly failing to exit the zone? Getting walked routinely? Maybe completely losing his man in front of the net? Stacking his coverage with his partner leaving guys alone for tap ins? What defensive wizardry rebukes all the numbers that point to him being a completely incompetent defenseman? Maybe you're just a big fan of these guys:

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Zaitsev is one of the worst players in the NHL today and we have him signed for 5 years. It was a terrible trade. Connor Brown is a decent third liner. There are dozens of Connor Browns out there that wouldn't require us taking on one of the worst contracts in hockey. Dorion absolutely ****ed us on that deal.

Would you rather be saddled with Ceci long term? Dude wanted 5 years at 5 plus.

That's why Dorion moved him
 
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