Rumor: Trade Rumors/Proposals 2018-2019 (Part 19)

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Surely they have some more cap circumvention moves up their sleeve to artificially be at the cap floor while spending much much less. I expect at least one more this summer.

 

[Samboni]

No need to worry about Lucic anymore

Well, there are 2 less overpaid players to conjure up trade scenarios about... at least for a little while!

 

[Qward]

I was really prepared to see lucic in a sens Jersey this year

 

[Knave]

Is Neal really that bad? He can't be Lucic bad.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Is Neal really that bad? He can't be Lucic bad.

I'm also surprised that went down. I'd put my chips on Neal bouncing back way before Lucic and all they got for a sweetener was a 3rd and some mild salary retention.

 

[stempniaksen]

Calgary is almost as bad as Ottawa when it comes to "intagibles" over skill. Management was apparently PO'd about how soft the team had become in the last year and a bit. Lucic is also a great teammate while Neal has bounced around (at least partially) because of character concerns.

I see the logic of doing what they did, but making the move for one of the worst contracts in the league to shore up grit/leadership/intagibles is a bridge too far, imo.

This is a win for the Oilers even if they end up buying out Neal next summer. The fact they got a guy who has score 20+ goals and 40+ points (paced) every season he's been in the league, minus the last one, to play on their 2nd line for a slow, overpaid, face puncher is pretty astounding.

 

[BigRig4]

Gotta think Neal bounces back and hits 20+ goals next year with either McDavid or Draisaitl

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Gotta think Neal bounces back and hits 20+ goals next year with either McDavid or Draisaitl

Neal has lost his mojo. He wouldn't score 20 if McDavid held his stick himself.

 

[Sens]

Neal has lost his mojo. He wouldn't score 20 if McDavid held his stick himself.

I agree but you’d thing playing flank for McDavid would give him the motivation to get it back

 

[Sens Vader]

So who are we trading Ryan for now?

 

[Que]

So who are we trading Ryan for now?

Either to Detroit for Zetterberg or Arizona for Hossa

I could actually see Ryan doing well in Arizona. Coupled with Kessel, he might reach his full potential.

 

[Boud]

Either to Detroit for Zetterberg or Arizona for Hossa

I could actually see Ryan doing well in Arizona. Coupled with Kessel, he might reach his full potential.

There's no way a team would willingly help the Sens AND take Ryan at his full salary. Ryan is not worth near 7.5M. We would need to add a significant asset to make something like that happen.

And Ryan played with guys like Duchene, Kessel won't do much for him he is exactly what he's showing to be.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

There are very few contracts I could see us being able to trade Ryan for.

Eriksson is the most obvious one. There is pressure for VAN to make a move since Eriksson and Green don't seem to be on the same page.

Eriksson is owed 9M on real cash, Ryan is owed 22.5M. That leaves a lot of room for both sides to do something. Even if OTT retains 18 percent (1.25M cap/1.35M salary) the Senators would still save almost 10M in real cash on the deal. It would be cap in/cap out for Vancouver.

Deduct 2M from those savings if we've already paid Ryan's 19-20 bonus.

 

[Clayonator]

No way Brannstrom would be too much for Point. They would have to give up a fair bit more than that.

I personally would not trade Brannstrom for Point, current value aside.

 

[Clayonator]

I’d like us to dump Boedker and replace him with Maroon.

 

[BonkTastic]

I’d like us to dump Boedker

Like... Off the side of a bridge?

 

[Clayonator]

Like... Off the side of a bridge?

How high is this bridge?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Like... Off the side of a bridge?

How about the B2tF Delorean and we can just go back and throw Hoffman on waivers instead.

 

[Sens]

There are very few contracts I could see us being able to trade Ryan for.

Eriksson is the most obvious one. There is pressure for VAN to make a move since Eriksson and Green don't seem to be on the same page.

Eriksson is owed 9M on real cash, Ryan is owed 22.5M. That leaves a lot of room for both sides to do something. Even if OTT retains 18 percent (1.25M cap/1.35M salary) the Senators would still save almost 10M in real cash on the deal. It would be cap in/cap out for Vancouver.

Deduct 2M from those savings if we've already paid Ryan's 19-20 bonus.

I would imagine Vancouver would want a pretty good sweetener from Melnyk...if 3.0 is worth a 3rd... 10.0 worth Formenton?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I would imagine Vancouver would want a pretty good sweetener from Melnyk...if 3.0 is worth a 3rd... 10.0 worth Formenton?

Ouch! That would be hard to stomach.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

What about Frolik for Condon?

He apparently wants out of CGY. I assume nobody wants him straight up based on the fact that they haven't moved him yet.

It's salary in/salary out for Ottawa since both players make 3M.

CGY frees up around 2.25M in cap when Condon is buried and a replacement six figure roster player is called up in Frolik's spot.

We can probably get a 3rd for Frolik's at the deadline. The reason he would be more valuable at the deadline is that teams only would have to fit in his remaining cap hit. Right now, they'd have to fit in his entire cap hit.

Pros for Sens:
-Add veteran top 9 forward without adding salary
-Add more salary cap without adding salary (we don't need it to reach the floor, but it gives us a buffer)
-Get asset at the deadline (Condon will still be worthless)

Pros for Flames:
-Add over 2M in cap
-Resolve the Frolik drama (he apparently wants out)

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Alternatively, Boedker for Frolik makes sense, but I think Flames would value cap space more than Boedker.

 

[BonkTastic]

Alternatively, Boedker for Frolik makes sense, but I think Flames would value cap space more than Boedker.

Yeah.

I think if they're trying to move Frolik, they don't want any cap back in return / want as little cap in return as possible. They're still in in a hard place cap-wise.

Boedker or Condon don't make a ton of sense on their end considering what they need.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Yeah.

I think if they're trying to move Frolik, they don't want any cap back in return / want as little cap in return as possible. They're still in in a hard place cap-wise.

Boedker or Condon don't make a ton of sense on their end considering what they need.

Condon makes sense because it frees up cap. I am going under the assumption that nobody wants Frolik at his full cap hit. Even if they traded Frolik half-retained, it would not free up as much cap space as acquiring Condon for Frolik and burying Condon.

They'd be trading for cap space, not really trading for Condon. Condon is just the conduit to get them that cap space.

 

[BigRig4]

What about Frolik for Condon?

He apparently wants out of CGY. I assume nobody wants him straight up based on the fact that they haven't moved him yet.

It's salary in/salary out for Ottawa since both players make 3M.

CGY frees up around 2.25M in cap when Condon is buried and a replacement six figure roster player is called up in Frolik's spot.

We can probably get a 3rd for Frolik's at the deadline. The reason he would be more valuable at the deadline is that teams only would have to fit in his remaining cap hit. Right now, they'd have to fit in his entire cap hit.

Pros for Sens:
-Add veteran top 9 forward without adding salary
-Add more salary cap without adding salary (we don't need it to reach the floor, but it gives us a buffer)
-Get asset at the deadline (Condon will still be worthless)

Pros for Flames:
-Add over 2M in cap
-Resolve the Frolik drama (he apparently wants out)

Love this idea, we need to move him badly or were not gonna get Gustafsson enough starts in the AHL