Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: If Someone From the Core Gets Dealt Who Should it Be?

[rasarhdasd]

Chara is still pretty good, and a Chara-Sekera pairing would be the best pairing here in ages.

But then I thought 'Boston probably still hates Chiarelli', but who else has cap space to fit in that contract?

 

[Mr Positive]

Chara is pretty much done, and WAY to banged up to play in the West.

If we would make a Chara trade, I would assume that we would want to see him play a few games first to see just what he is now. Right now it seems like he might be done, but that's not established fact without knowing just how bad the injuries were and what his rehab was like. He could have a resurgence.

 

[K1984]

If we would make a Chara trade, I would assume that we would want to see him play a few games first to see just what he is now. Right now it seems like he might be done, but that's not established fact without knowing just how bad the injuries were and what his rehab was like. He could have a resurgence.

Thing is even if he has a resurgence, how long does it last? He's still got two years after this, which is too much risk for us unless they're willing to eat a bit of cash.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I just cant really see Chara being interested in coming to Edmonton, nor do I think Edmonton should even try to trade for him. I would imagine he would really only want to go to a contending team for his last few years. Unsure what team though would be a good fit

 

[mangdas]

Chara IS done. He's playing on 1 knee literally

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

if literally no one wants to take on that aging beast of a contract then.. what about ference and a mid pick for chara?

its probably not exactly what boston is looking for.

 

[Mr Positive]

Thing is even if he has a resurgence, how long does it last? He's still got two years after this, which is too much risk for us unless they're willing to eat a bit of cash.

but what's the risk? It's three years, so it won't step on McDavid's 2nd contract, and if he plays well now I bet only the final year becomes an issue. At that time, maybe LTIR will take care of the problem for us, but even if it doesn't it's not like we absolutely NEED the cap space at that time since we need to be setting some aside anyway. It will only be a 4 million cap hit the final year as well.

And of course the potential benefits of having a top pairing veteran Dman are huge, even if he isn't an elite one anymore. The mentorship alone would be big.

 

[rboomercat90]

Hey guys, watched your last game and it looks like there is some progress (PP needs a lot of work though)

Can anyone tell me if we could see a big name getting traded this year (hall, yak..)

I feel like all the roster turnover is non-impact players, maybe its time to balance the roster acquiring a star Dman !!

I don't think we see a big name player traded during the season. Blockbuster deals only seem to happen in the off season now when it's easier to manage the cap implications. I do think we'll see some major roster changes this summer though, this top six is too soft and I have no doubts Chiarelli will see it that way after closely watching all season.

 

[Mr Positive]

Chara IS done. He's playing on 1 knee literally

he's playing right now so we'll see I guess

 

[Man Purse]

we need to find some size combined with speed and power on D

 

[K1984]

but what's the risk? It's three years, so it won't step on McDavid's 2nd contract, and if he plays well now I bet only the final year becomes an issue. At that time, maybe LTIR will take care of the problem for us, but even if it doesn't it's not like we absolutely NEED the cap space at that time since we need to be setting some aside anyway. It will only be a 4 million cap hit the final year as well.

And of course the potential benefits of having a top pairing veteran Dman are huge, even if he isn't an elite one anymore. The mentorship alone would be big.

The risk is his ability disintegrates and he's a $6m hole on our cap that may or not be able to play.

This is the same argument that was made for Ference when we signed him. "Won't need the cap space, good leader, in good shape so his play will continue to be fine, etc." Then his play dumped below NHL quality a year into his deal, he sucks $3.25 off the cap, and we are forced to carry him on the roster. Similar risk with Chara.

I'm not sure I understand the "we won't be in cap trouble so who cares about the space" argument. With the cap projected to stay around flat we are going to see more guys hitting UFA or available by trade. If we have $6m sitting on our third pair that limits our ability to improve the team significantly. His cap hit isn't $4m in the 3rd year, that's his salary. His AAV will still be around 6.

 

[Canovin]

we need to find some size combined with speed and power on D

I've always liked Petry aside from the fact he never shoots the puck as often as was required from him and he never seems happy here. I guess the losing environment got to him

 

[Man Purse]

I've always liked Petry aside from the fact he never shoots the puck as often as was required from him and he never seems happy here. I guess the losing environment got to him

it was a learning process and the long term investment was just about to pay

but Eakins/MacT

never forget

 

[Mr Positive]

The risk is his ability disintegrates and he's a $6m hole on our cap that may or not be able to play.

This is the same argument that was made for Ference when we signed him. "Won't need the cap space, good leader, in good shape so his play will continue to be fine, etc." Then his play dumped below NHL quality a year into his deal, he sucks $3.25 off the cap, and we are forced to carry him on the roster. Similar risk with Chara.

I'm not sure I understand the "we won't be in cap trouble so who cares about the space" argument. With the cap projected to stay around flat we are going to see more guys hitting UFA or available by trade. If we have $6m sitting on our third pair that limits our ability to improve the team significantly. His cap hit isn't $4m in the 3rd year, that's his salary. His AAV will still be around 6.

His AAV would be roughly 7, 7, 4. The time the deal was signed and the age does that to it.

Getting Chara is the same principle as Ference, but that doesn't make it the same. Chara's a much better talent. I know it sucks to have dead cap space, and imo fans are too offended by the money aspect of the game, but there are huge potential benefits to adding someone like Chara. There's also probably no one else available, so the question is whether or not you're ready to write off this season or not.

 

[Jumptheshark]

if literally no one wants to take on that aging beast of a contract then.. what about ference and a mid pick for chara?

its probably not exactly what boston is looking for.

My guess the bbs would ask for yak and something for chara. They would not take ference. Chara has played a lot of hockey and his body is breaking down

 

[Philly85*]

Chara is but a short step behind Ference in terms of being completely done. Yes, he is a significantly better player than Ference or many, if not all of the Oilers Dmen at this very moment, but the drop off will be significant, and one more injury he's completely done. I personally wouldn't want him here.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Chara is still pretty good, and a Chara-Sekera pairing would be the best pairing here in ages.

But then I thought 'Boston probably still hates Chiarelli', but who else has cap space to fit in that contract?

Chara has gone down hill in the last 18 months or so. Only watch about ten games on line. But he is no longer the same d

 

[Canovin]

It's pointless negotiating with Boston. What it would cost to acquire Chara, you can get a young RHD with top pairing upside. I'd look to talk to the jets, islanders, flyers, devils instead

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Chara is but a short step behind Ference in terms of being completely done. Yes, he is a significantly better player than Ference or many, if not all of the Oilers Dmen at this very moment, but the drop off will be significant, and one more injury he's completely done. I personally wouldn't want him here.

A run down oft injured Chara...not really worth it. We need a right d as well.

 

[McOilbleeder]

If the price is right and he'd be willing to come here, I'd take Chara. With Sekera being able to play on the right side, and Fayne probably going back (with them retaining some of the cap), we could fit him in.

What he'd add is a great vet stop gap between now and when our young D mature. Cap hits of $6.9, 6.9 and 4 (Kovy rule) makes it pretty doable too. And unlike any trade for Byfuglien, the long term ramifications on our cap aren't there.

The guy was a 2014 Norris finalist. He was injured all last year. If he can show he can still play at a good level (ie one that is an upgrade over Fayne), then it'd be worth it. Between his physical play, leadership, shot and defensive acumen, he'd add a lot to this team. Especially the young core.

 

[Jumptheshark]

If the price is right and he'd be willing to come here, I'd take Chara. With Sekera being able to play on the right side, and Fayne probably going back (with them retaining some of the cap), we could fit him in.

What he'd add is a great vet stop gap between now and when our young D mature. Cap hits of $6.9, 6.9 and 4 (Kovy rule) makes it pretty doable too. And unlike any trade for Byfuglien, the long term ramifications on our cap aren't there.

The guy was a 2014 Norris finalist. He was injured all last year. If he can show he can still play at a good level (ie one that is an upgrade over Fayne), then it'd be worth it. Between his physical play, leadership, shot and defensive acumen, he'd add a lot to this team. Especially the young core.

The problem is at 38 it looks like chara can not play top line minutes and that is bbs might be shopping him

 

[SPIRIT]

Looking at the Bruins and seeing a Chiarelli link makes sense... until you factor in the rumours about falling out, and the Hamilton trade this summer.

We have an anti-connection with Boston.

Chia will look to bring in a stallion on D. He'll be expensive, we'll be shocked... and he likely will not come from Boston.

 

[McShogun99]

Besides Mcfavid, I would give up any player on this team to get Trouba from Winnioeg.

 

[Spawn]

Besides Mcfavid, I would give up any player on this team to get Trouba from Winnioeg.

Honestly, I kind of don't buy into the Trouba hype. He's a good player and will get better, but I don't think he's going to be an elite level d-man in the league.

 

[Canovin]

Can you imagine if the bruins traded Hamilton + 2 1sts for Hall? They were really high on Hall. I know hindsight but we come out of the draft with.

McDavid
Hamilton
Reinhart
LA 1st (Svechnikov)
Boston 1st (Barzal/Connor)