Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: If Someone From the Core Gets Dealt Who Should it Be?

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We owe it to ourselves to see what Yak can do with a playmaking center before casting him off. Last night he had a couple of good looks with McDavid, unfortunately they were both blocked but the passer/shooter chemistry looked like it was on full display.

McLellan commented on this as well. He stated in his post-game that Yak brought a lot of jump to that line, and McDavid looked better than he had in previous combinations.

Can't understand some of the comments here about shipping Yak out at this point. If he develops good chemistry with that line, the team and McDavid will be far better off.

I would try Lander at LW on that line. Better at faceoffs, good shot, good team player, and decent defensively.

Lander - McD - Yak

Feed them soft minutes. That's what I would like to see.
 
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And he's on pace for a 0 point career, get what you can while you can right?

That's what I'm thinking as well.

Seriously, I said before the last Vancouver game that the Oilers were going to lose the first four games and HFOil was going to go sideways and two are done and it's already starting.:popcorn:
 

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McLellan commented on this as well. He stated in his post-game that Yak brought a lot of jump to that line, and McDavid looked better than he had in previous combinations.

Can't understand some of the comments here about shipping Yak out at this point. If he develops good chemistry with that line, the team and McDavid will be far better off.

I would try Lander at LW on that line. Better at faceoffs, good shot, good team player, and decent defensively.

Lander - McD - Yak

Feed them soft minutes. That's what I would like to see.

Yak at least hits people and makes them nervous. I can't say as much for half the Oilers in that game.
 
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I think we should trade Connar McDavid. He will get us the best return and plus he's the least experienced of them all.
If we lose the next game, and McDavid doesn't score, it wouldn't surprise me to see a proposal somewhere.:scared: A slow start has fans in a panic. Sheesh, it's visually better no? :sarcasm:
 

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If we trade now, it can't be RNH, but if we wait until this offseason I think he's the ideal choice. For a center, we can definitely get the defenseman of our dreams. We'll have McDavid and Draisaitl in the top six (and any RNH trade would depend on those two proving they are ready for the role)
 

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I'm more then ok if Chia takes his time and fully evaluates the group before doing anything. I don't see him moving anyone - nor should he have to - for a year or two. These are the **** players that MacT and Tambo saddled us with through years of subpar GMing. It's going to take a long time to dig out. No simple trade will fix it. Honestly though, seeing MacT sitting up there in the press box grinds my gears. I would like to see him gone, permanently. That's my only wish right now.
 

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I'm more then ok if Chia takes his time and fully evaluates the group before doing anything. I don't see him moving anyone - nor should he have to - for a year or two. These are the **** players that MacT and Tambo saddled us with through years of subpar GMing. It's going to take a long time to dig out. No simple trade will fix it. Honestly though, seeing MacT sitting up there in the press box grinds my gears. I would like to see him gone, permanently. That's my only wish right now.

I agree, tho I don't think the time frame will be a whole year. If this group can't prove it can compete in the western conference, I believe Chia will make changes this season.

There is ample evidence that this group isn't a good fit. I think back to when Getzlaf and Perry were rookies. Did it take them 5 years to find their footing. Toews/Kane? Benn/Seguin?

Enough excuses. If these guys are ever going to produce together, they should be able to prove it right now. If not, say good by to one or two of the star wingers, and maybe Schultz as well.
 

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I agree, tho I don't think the time frame will be a whole year. If this group can't prove it can compete in the western conference, I believe Chia will make changes this season.

There is ample evidence that this group isn't a good fit. I think back to when Getzlaf and Perry were rookies. Did it take them 5 years to find their footing. Toews/Kane? Benn/Seguin?

Enough excuses. If these guys are ever going to produce together, they should be able to prove it right now. If not, say good by to one or two of the star wingers, and maybe Schultz as well.
None of those had 5 coaches in 6 years or idiot Eakins as coach. Eakins is the worst coach in NHL history. Another problem is the Oilers can't constantly be changing coaches. Team needs consistency in coaching yet some people already want a different coach after 2 games. :shakehead
 

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I agree, tho I don't think the time frame will be a whole year. If this group can't prove it can compete in the western conference, I believe Chia will make changes this season.

There is ample evidence that this group isn't a good fit. I think back to when Getzlaf and Perry were rookies. Did it take them 5 years to find their footing. Toews/Kane? Benn/Seguin?

Enough excuses. If these guys are ever going to produce together, they should be able to prove it right now. If not, say good by to one or two of the star wingers, and maybe Schultz as well.

Hall for a Rick Nash type return where we get good prices that solidify our depth but nothing near the piece we gave up. A replacement LW(Hoffman, Tatar, Wingels, Wilson type), a top 4 D(Ceci, Braun, Dekeyser, Ellis type) and maybe a pick or 2.

Anything can happen but I think the kid line will be together this year and in the summer 1 of Hall or Eberle will be moved.
 

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We need our GM to be a good one and get a "steal" in a trade. Chiarelli needs to take advantage of some team desperate to make a trade (sort of like the Seguin trade, or the Hamilton trade).

We should be adding to the core. Not subtracting from it.
 

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We need our GM to be a good one and get a "steal" in a trade. Chiarelli needs to take advantage of some team desperate to make a trade (sort of like the Seguin trade, or the Hamilton trade).

We should be adding to the core. Not subtracting from it.

this core has to start proving they were worth going 'all-in' with. If they really are all that an a bag chips then they should be able to... you know cycle the puck, hem a team in, and shoot the puck past a goalie. Like all the other dynamic duos in the league. these guys can't even do it with the man advantage.

Everyone's been saying they're so good. Oh yeah? prove it.
 

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I agree, tho I don't think the time frame will be a whole year. If this group can't prove it can compete in the western conference, I believe Chia will make changes this season.

There is ample evidence that this group isn't a good fit. I think back to when Getzlaf and Perry were rookies. Did it take them 5 years to find their footing. Toews/Kane? Benn/Seguin?

Enough excuses. If these guys are ever going to produce together, they should be able to prove it right now. If not, say good by to one or two of the star wingers, and maybe Schultz as well.
Lets see Getz/Perry had Neids as soon as they entered the league on their back end and than Pronger the following year. Toews/Kanes teams were bottom feeders until Keith and Seabrook developed into legit top pairing D. What exactly has Benn or Seguin achieved together? They've been to the playoffs once and got bounced after 6 games and than missed the following year. Sequin probably wouldn't have seen any playoff time either if he had gone to a true bottom team during his draft instead of a Bruins team who were basically contenders the year he was drafted. I'm tired of people using certain players as benchmarks without identifying the fact that the successful ones always have atleast one true number 1 D man providing them support from the backend.
 

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If they are debating between RNH and Hall, Hall is the right option if they absolutely NEED to move someone before Christmas. If the Oilers don't improve, Hall can replaced in a year or two by one of those big wingers at the top of the 2016 draft or Draisaitl but if Draisaitl isn't ready to play 2C behind McDavid next year, finding a second legit top 6 centre becomes nigh impossible (see Oilers, 2013-15). There are only 3 centres in McKenzie's top 15 right now compared to 4 wingers at 6'3" or taller and another 2 listed at 6'1". Keeping RNH also gives McDavid some extra shelter in his rookie season, something I think most people consider invaluable. Finally, holding off on RNH for Jones or whatever until June keeps the grand slam of Matthews for OEL on the table.

Hall for a Rick Nash type return where we get good prices that solidify our depth but nothing near the piece we gave up. A replacement LW(Hoffman, Tatar, Wingels, Wilson type), a top 4 D(Ceci, Braun, Dekeyser, Ellis type) and maybe a pick or 2.

Anything can happen but I think the kid line will be together this year and in the summer 1 of Hall or Eberle will be moved.

I was eyeing Ceci. Righty, reported to have a slapshot, roughly the same age as Klefbom/Reinhart, good skater, put up 17 even strength points last year, already has over 130 NHL games, averaged the second most PK minutes among Ottawa's D last year behind Gryba. His offense might be suppressed by Karlsson being one of the best, if not the best PP option in the entire league. Might have to watch some Ottawa games to get to know him.

I don't know how you would motivate Murray to make the trade and make it a fair trade but Chiarelli and Murray did work together in Ottawa and they have already connected on Gryba so maybe there's a chance. I know we feel screwed by Chiarelli's Boston connection but I wonder how much the insular Oilers OBC hurt the Oilers's trading options in years past. Look at what Sather said after he traded Talbot.
 

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Hall for a Rick Nash type return where we get good prices that solidify our depth but nothing near the piece we gave up. A replacement LW(Hoffman, Tatar, Wingels, Wilson type), a top 4 D(Ceci, Braun, Dekeyser, Ellis type) and maybe a pick or 2.

Yup, that's the kind of trade I've been wanting to do for a while. Sometimes you have to give up the best player in the deal in order to balance your team. Columbus got two solid forwards in Dubinsky and Anisimov, a pretty good prospect at the time in Tim Erixon and a 1st round pick for Nash. Anisimov scored 20 goals and Dubinsky had 50 points in their first full season with the BJ's and reached the playoffs. If we could get a solid replacement winger that can score 50 and a top4 d with similar value to the guys you mention and maybe a pick, then that would be a real good trade. Hall and Fayne for Ceci, Hoffman and a 1st is something I'd look heavily into.
 

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Lets see Getz/Perry had Neids as soon as they entered the league on their back end and than Pronger the following year. Toews/Kanes teams were bottom feeders until Keith and Seabrook developed into legit top pairing D. What exactly has Benn or Seguin achieved together? They've been to the playoffs once and got bounced after 6 games and than missed the following year. Sequin probably wouldn't have seen any playoff time either if he had gone to a true bottom team during his draft instead of a Bruins team who were basically contenders the year he was drafted. I'm tired of people using certain players as benchmarks without identifying the fact that the successful ones always have atleast one true number 1 D man providing them support from the backend.

Sure, they had better D, but they still had to shoot the puck past a goalie, they had to win a battle, beat a dman, execute a two on one. (Benn won the Art Ross last year, Seguin was 4th the year before, btw)

Yes, I know, there is a list of excuses the circumference of my arm for these little superstars that can't do anything super.

Hall is the only one that has actually proven he can score in this league, and Ebs to a lesser degree. but as a group, they have yet to prove they are any better than any other team's young core (Colorada, Buffalo, Florida, Calgary, Columbus, Dallas). Hell, Calgary's young core, with not a single top 3 pick and only 2 top 10s is trending to be just as good, if not better then the Hall cluster.

Yap! Yap! Yap!


I'll say it again. If you're so ----ing good, prove it.
 

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Sure, they had better D, but they still had to shoot the puck past a goalie, they had to win a battle, beat a dman, execute a two on one. (Benn won the Art Ross last year, Seguin was 4th the year before, btw)

Yes, I know, there is a list of excuses the circumference of my arm for these little superstars that can't do anything super.

Hall is the only one that has actually proven he can score in this league, and Ebs to a lesser degree. but as a group, they have yet to prove they are any better than any other team's young core (Colorada, Buffalo, Florida, Calgary, Columbus, Dallas). Hell, Calgary's young core, with not a single top 3 pick and only 2 top 10s is trending to be just as good, if not better then the Hall cluster.

Yap! Yap! Yap!


I'll say it again. If you're so ----ing good, prove it.
On the other side of things: hall has shown that he needs specific types of players for his game to excel. Eberle can play with anyone and still produce.
 

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On the other side of things: hall has shown that he needs specific types of players for his game to excel. Eberle can play with anyone and still produce.

Chia hasn't seen that yet, but I'm quite sure he will.

that's what's so exciting about this new GM. He's not married to this core. He is not bound and determined to prove he was right to go all in with them. If he thinks the team will be better if he trades.... say Hall for Seth Jones or Shattenkirk, then he'll do it.

I don't believe Mact ever even entertained the thought. I think the last management group made a decision to go all in with this core about 3 years ago, and they were going to see it thru come hell or high water, despite their clear lack of size in the WC.

Not the case anymore.
 

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We need our GM to be a good one and get a "steal" in a trade. Chiarelli needs to take advantage of some team desperate to make a trade (sort of like the Seguin trade, or the Hamilton trade).

We should be adding to the core. Not subtracting from it.

I agree fully.

They don't even know how this group will mesh yet so even if someone eventually does move it is way to early to make that call.
 

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I don't think you give up on Hall yet. He has some bad tendencies that he needs to work out of his game, but they're all things that can be worked on (it's not like Gagner, who just didn't have the talent level to step up his game).

I think a RW is moved out by next year though. Neither Nuge nor McDavid will be moved, and Draisaitl might be able to fill in that spot.

Whether it's Eberle or Yakupov depends on their respective play.
 

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Hall for a Rick Nash type return where we get good prices that solidify our depth but nothing near the piece we gave up. A replacement LW(Hoffman, Tatar, Wingels, Wilson type), a top 4 D(Ceci, Braun, Dekeyser, Ellis type) and maybe a pick or 2.

Anything can happen but I think the kid line will be together this year and in the summer 1 of Hall or Eberle will be moved.

Yeah, but you shouldn't forget that trade is a 2-way thing. I mean, let's take Schwartz. I think he would be ideal for Edmonton as a McDavid winger. Potent scorer who is equally good with and without the puck.

Now the question: will STL agree to trade Schwartz for Hall even 1 on 1? I'm afraid you won't like the answer to this question. And it's a LW who, by general opinion, is way behind Hall by talent and potential.

Let's talk about getting top2 defenseman, the main priority for the team. Name me a single good top2 defenseman (under 28 as well), teams would be willing to trade for Hall? I bet you won't. Yeah, this is a big problem. And it's a different thing about RNH, because teams are willing to trade top defensemen for top centers.
 
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