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Trade Rumors 2013 Part II

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Why fix something that is not broken?

We have two good goalie combos.

We have defenders whom have stepped up.

We are fine on the top 6 (6th in the league in scoring)

I don't get what the point is for us to get a rental player like Iggy and trade away our most consistent goaltender this year. I understand his value is high but I don't want this team is suffer on goalie shortages this year. Especially when we are destined to win another you know what and the western conference is still anyones game. Just IMO.
 
kingsfan said:
But you need to correct me, right? :shakehead

There's a difference between exaggeration and just dumbass comments. Saying we'd be deadlast without Bernier is a shining example.

And if people are exaggerating, what's wrong with tossing in a smiley? It's not like there's a shortage of them.
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Because exaggeration does not call for smileys.

Hell, I could tell you a jumped over the moon when the Kings won the cup, and you'd come up with some argument about how no human can jump higher than ten feet.

Are you saying that a smiley would help that?
 
DaAnimal said:
Why fix something that is not broken?

We have two good goalie combos.

We have defenders whom have stepped up.

We are fine on the top 6 (6th in the league in scoring)

I don't get what the point is for us to get a rental player like Iggy and trade away our most consistent goaltender this year. I understand his value is high but I don't want this team is suffer on goalie shortages this year. Especially when we are destined to win another you know what and the western conference is still anyones game. Just IMO.
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I 100% agree. We'll have to move Bernier eventually, but I hope it's not until the draft. Keep him this season. We don't have any holes outside of maybe adding some depth, and we can get that without shelling out Bernier.

bobafettish said:
williams has a nmc? he's not getting moved then.
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No he doesn't. No one on the team has a NMC or even a partial NTC.
 
The Kings will not be trading for Gaborik. He carries a $7.5M cap hit next season, a season where the cap is going down. Iginla makes a hell of a lot more sense since he is a rental and desperate to win a Cup.
 
RonSwanson said:
Because exaggeration does not call for smileys.

Hell, I could tell you a jumped over the moon when the Kings won the cup, and you'd come up with some argument about how no human can jump higher than ten feet.

Are you saying that a smiley would help that?
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No. Firstly, I wouldn't even give a comment like that a second thought since we are on a hockey board. Secondly, assuming hypothetically I did care, I'd ignore it since you are stating something which is beyond physical ability.

Saying we'd lose 6 games without Bernier isn't beyond possibility.

Additionally, look at where you are writing this stuff. HF. Like no one has ever thrown a goalie under the bus at the first sign of a struggle, or said their team is a dynasty after one cup win. To think some of these posters are possibly serious isn't much of a stretch on these boards.

So while a smiley isn't needed for you way out of topic reference to moon-jumping, it would work with the actual hockey-related comments getting posted around here.
 
Basilisk said:
After the trade deadline, will the rosters expand for the playoffs? I'm not familiar with the new CBA.

If so, I would not put it past DL to try to convince both Greene and Mitchell that neither of them will be healthy again until after the deadline has passed, if you know what I mean.
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Sorry Basakisk I really don't know either. It sounds right but one of our CBA guys are gonna have to answer as I am lost on the new agreement and have a loose grip on the old one. As to asking players to wait things out I can't see anyone doing that. It could happen but it would be a sort of bad thing to do. Players want to play and at least as far as WM is concerned he is doing all he can to get back onto Kings ice asap.

Could be though, anything is possible.
 
kingsfan said:
No. Firstly, I wouldn't even give a comment like that a second thought since we are on a hockey board. Secondly, assuming hypothetically I did care, I'd ignore it since you are stating something which is beyond physical ability.

Saying we'd lose 6 games without Bernier isn't beyond possibility.

Additionally, look at where you are writing this stuff. HF. Like no one has ever thrown a goalie under the bus at the first sign of a struggle, or said their team is a dynasty after one cup win. To think some of these posters are possibly serious isn't much of a stretch on these boards.

So while a smiley isn't needed for you way out of topic reference to moon-jumping, it would work with the actual hockey-related comments getting posted around here.
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All I'm saying is ease up. Kings are the ****ing Cup champs. Take out your frustrations on other teams' fans, not ours.
 
Tonellisghost said:
*snip*

Assuming we were to add another more established D then how/who would you arrange our D assuming that Greene as has been reported is coming back in the near future
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Well, if I'm remembering correctly and as long as it hasn't been changed, the 23-man roster limitation typically becomes exceedable after the NHL trade deadline. So if we stick to your timetable of 3 weeks on a return for Matt Greene, that would fall well after the April 3rd date so whether we have 8 or 9 at that point isn't an issue, I believe.

At that point I don't care what the pairings are as long as whoever can produce the best on-ice results is dressed and skating.
 
Primakov! said:
Well, if I'm remembering correctly and as long as it hasn't been changed, the 23-man roster limitation typically becomes exceedable after the NHL trade deadline. So if we stick to your timetable of 3 weeks on a return for Matt Greene, that would fall well after the April 3rd date so whether we have 8 or 9 at that point isn't an issue, I believe.

At that point I don't care what the pairings are as long as whoever can produce the best on-ice results is dressed and skating.
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Fair enough. Lets both hope it works out that way.
 
I'd be all for going after Iginla. Not because we need the scoring, but because the guy is a heart and soul player who can help make sure this team stays motivated through the playoffs. The majority of our roster just won a cup and won't be as driven to win a second one as they were to win their first. Adding a well respected vet like Iginla who's never won a cup would help make sure that the 2013 playoffs are just as important to the team as last years. A "win it for Iggy" attitude could go a long way.

And he's a pretty good player.
 
If you look at players with expiring contracts in 2013 and 2014, I think the following forwards may be considered as options at the trade deadline:

Jarome Iginla (2013 UFA)
Patrick Marleau (2014 UFA)
Brenden Morrow (2013 UFA)
Ales Hemsky (2014 UFA)
Matt Moulson (2014 UFA)
Vinny Prospal (2013 UFA)

What would be beneficial in acquiring a player with an expiring contract in 2014 is that the Kings will have a player under contract in case they end up letting Penner walk as a free agent this summer. They would already have a contracted player who will replace his spot on the roster.

As far as defensemen go, the Kings may probably lean more heavily towards a pure rental for the rest of the season, or, if they decide to let Scuderi walk, could look at some other options with contracts expiring in 2014.

Ladislav Smid (2013 UFA)
Ian White (2013 UFA)
Jordan Leopold (2013 UFA)
Robyn Regehr (2013 UFA)
Andrej Meszaros (2014 UFA)
Nick Schultz (2014 UFA)
Stephane Robidas (2014 UFA)
Greg Zanon (2014 UFA)
Mark Stuart (2014 UFA)
Mike Weaver (2014 UFA)
 
If we're going to trade for a stay at home / shutdown type defenseman (which is what we need IMO), then I still think Regehr is far and away the best option available.

Replacing Mitchell is basically impossible though. He's one of the best defensive defenseman I've ever seen. I swear if he was on the ice last night Doan would have never scored that 2nd goal.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
If you look at players with expiring contracts in 2013 and 2014, I think the following forwards may be considered as options at the trade deadline:

Jarome Iginla (2013 UFA)
Patrick Marleau (2014 UFA)
Brenden Morrow (2013 UFA)
Ales Hemsky (2014 UFA)
Matt Moulson (2014 UFA)
Vinny Prospal (2013 UFA)

What would be beneficial in acquiring a player with an expiring contract in 2014 is that the Kings will have a player under contract in case they end up letting Penner walk as a free agent this summer. They would already have a contracted player who will replace his spot on the roster.

As far as defensemen go, the Kings may probably lean more heavily towards a pure rental for the rest of the season, or, if they decide to let Scuderi walk, could look at some other options with contracts expiring in 2014.

Ladislav Smid (2013 UFA)
Ian White (2013 UFA)
Jordan Leopold (2013 UFA)
Robyn Regehr (2013 UFA)
Andrej Meszaros (2014 UFA)
Nick Schultz (2014 UFA)
Stephane Robidas (2014 UFA)
Greg Zanon (2014 UFA)
Mark Stuart (2014 UFA)
Mike Weaver (2014 UFA)
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I know I'll get flack for it but Patrick Marleau is the epitome of what the Kings want in a player. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

On d I think Robidas is the kind of vet they target.
 
Reaper45 said:
I know I'll get flack for it but Patrick Marleau is the epitome of what the Kings want in a player. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

On d I think Robidas is the kind of vet they target.
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I would not take Marleau because of the cap hit. 6,9M in a year with the cap going down. Not to mention any trade in division will cost more. It's bad enough looking like you are on the wrong end of a deal to your fan base but in division it's worse.
Great player, can't argue the fit but the money is not really there next year.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
The Kings will not be trading for Gaborik. He carries a $7.5M cap hit next season, a season where the cap is going down. Iginla makes a hell of a lot more sense since he is a rental and desperate to win a Cup.
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What if the Rangers held onto some of his cap hit?
 
When thinking about players we need or should deal for it would be neat if we posted who we would send back in an offer to obtain the targeted player and or how we would fit them in to our line up.

Regehr is slow and has poor gap control. Would he be a solid add to the team? Sure I guess but what are you willing to give up that you think that the Sabres would accept in return? (RR as an example).

Iggy is the same thing to me. It would be great to add him to the team but we would have to get Calgary to take back Richardson plus a rostered player to really fit him in. It would also cost us a high pick plus a solid prospect in return.

I can't see us sending JB to Calgary unless it were part of a huge deal that saw Kipper coming back the other way as a backup but even then the entire thing becomes a difficult situation.

We have too many D as we sit when Greene comes back. If it is a situation where we can carry as many as we like then we are going to be asking NHL Dmen to sit out. Not a huge deal to ask Ellerby and Muzzin to sit from a personnel standpoint, they are both young and will do what they are told.

But if they are asked to sit that means that the player you are replacing them with had better be able to do everything that either of those two kids can plus add something that makes them worth the effort.

Who would you send back to the team we were dealing with to get the rentals that we would want to add becomes a key question imo. Realistically I don't see anyone of the rentals including Iggy that would be worth sending A Mart or Muzzin plus a 2nd plus likely something else for, the cost is too high.

If we went after another key member to the team who was going to be able to come in and stick with us for awhile then whatever DL decides is right with me (likely) but rentals are a tricky bus and I think that we are well enough set to where we don't need to add one.

Especially once we get Greene back.
 
Could definitely see us landing Morrow for the right price seeing as how we won't be playing Dallas nearly as much starting next season
 
tsanuri said:
I would not take Marleau because of the cap hit. 6,9M in a year with the cap going down. Not to mention any trade in division will cost more. It's bad enough looking like you are on the wrong end of a deal to your fan base but in division it's worse.
Great player, can't argue the fit but the money is not really there next year.
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I'd liken it to the Ducks trading Selanne to the Sharks. If the Sharks approached Marleau about a trade and he had a say in where he wants to go, I think LA would be on top of his list mainly due to the relationship he had in the past with Dean Lombardi and Darryl Sutter in San Jose, and it isn't far from proximity to where he's living now.

As for the money, it could work if Penner doesn't return and the Kings let Scuderi walk. But then they have a hole to fill on their blueline, even if Mitchell and Greene return. I know some think Muzzin is ready to be a regular in the lineup, but he's not the same type of defenseman as Scuderi is. I liken Muzzin more to how Quincey plays the game, a dman with decent size and decent puck skills but somewhat shaky in his own end.

Back to Marleau, I think it would take a decent package to get him to move to a division rival, but I do think there is a fit with him and the Kings. Remember the rumor of Marleau to the Kings years back? I think the names involved from the Kings were Alex Frolov and Jarret Stoll. This was around the time when Heatley was rumored to be going to San Jose and the Kings were said to have been on the verge of acquiring Marleau in a three-team trade involving the Kings, Sharks, and Senators.
http://www.aolnews.com/2009/09/11/marleau-doug-wilson-discuss-false-trade-report/
 
Reaper45 said:
I know I'll get flack for it but Patrick Marleau is the epitome of what the Kings want in a player. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

On d I think Robidas is the kind of vet they target.
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I got ripped for bringing up Robidas a few days ago ;)

But at this point ... seeing as how well our kids are doing at holding down the fort, and seeing as how there's a legit shot at getting at least Greene back before the end of the season, and maybe Mitchell for the playoffs, or at least back for next season. I've become more inclined to maybe just wait it out unless we can pick up a vet D man for cheap, and by cheap I mean "future considerations" / 7th Round Draft Pick type cheap ... and I get a feeling Lombardi may just be thinking this way more and more too. We've got all of 19 games left in the regular season, at the pace we're winning we're almost a lock for the #4 spot, if we cool off but at least play .500 hockey we're still in the playoffs. Heck we're only 10 points down from the Ducks it might be ... well ... maybe ... well ... ok maybe not ... well :sarcasm:.

Point being, we're most likely in a good spot for getting into the playoffs, and have the potential of getting TWO top notch Stanley Cup Champion stay at home defensemen back into the line up during the playoffs, thus having 99% of our Cup winning team back on the ice for these playoffs. Why not give the kids our faith and let them TAKE what they've worked so hard for ... IMO they are taking/earning that.

I think with the lockout, shortened season and injuries to Greene and Mitchell it won't be looked at as that much of a Failure IF we don't repeat as champions (though yes it will be disappointing), certainly nothing Lombardi will have to worry about losing his job over, and thus it might be looked at as beneficial to have our younger D-men gain the experience and development. I don't think this is your typical sink or swim throwing the rookies to the wolves kind of approach under these circumstances, and they are handling the job rather well all things considered, so why not roll with it ?

I won't be upset if we get a solid vet D man, or get a forward like Iginla in the fold for a deep playoff push, it certainly won't hurt our chances at taking a shot at repeating as Cup Champs ... BUT I think I'm more and more inclined to take our chances on what we've got ... and I'm not willing to part with too much from our current team outside of the likes of Richardson, Drewiske, low draft picks and mediocre prospects ... and likely nothing like that will return us anything like an Iginla, Marleau, Smid or Regehr type of player. So I doubt we see much movement from Lombardi, he's shrewd enough to surprise me and want to take a shot at repeating as champs, but I think he's also cautiously optimistic enough with what we already have, not to sell out the future to get it either ? :badidea:
 
Cook24 said:
Could definitely see us landing Morrow for the right price seeing as how we won't be playing Dallas nearly as much starting next season
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But what do we offer for a guy that may or may not re-sign? And if he does what is 34 and a .6pt a game player worth to re-sign? Or do we look at him as a total rental which would lower the trade value. And those numbers are career. Over the last 2 years he isn't much better than one of our favorite whipping boys, Penner, and has a higher salary.
 
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