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Rumor: Trade Rumor Thread XIII

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NYR Viper said:
You aren't going to solve that by paying a 2nd line RWer 6.5 million/season for 7 years who plays a physical game and whose body has already started to show the effect.
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Do we actually have any indications that he wants 6.5/7?

He's a useful offensive player. Everyone seemed to agree on this not long ago, before the wheel of unreasonable criticism landed on him. Obviously, if he wants a ridiculous crippling contract, that's a real point of discussion, but I completely disagree that trading him for a 1st wouldn't worsen the very real problem of the offense not having enough guns. He doesn't run the offense, but he's a good piece of it, and it needs more power, not less.

Again, if he wants something crazy and he needs to be traded, I can understand that, but I don't think it's crazy to entertain the possibility that he may want a raise without going completely insane and pricing himself out to all but the stupidest, most desperate teams.
 
haveandare said:
Do we actually have any indications that he wants 6.5/7?

He's a useful offensive player. Everyone seemed to agree on this not long ago, before the wheel of unreasonable criticism landed on him. Obviously, if he wants a ridiculous crippling contract, that's a real point of discussion, but I completely disagree that trading him for a 1st wouldn't worsen the very real problem of the offense not having enough guns. He doesn't run the offense, but he's a good piece of it, and it needs more power, not less.

Again, if he wants something crazy and he needs to be traded, I can understand that, but I don't think it's crazy to entertain the possibility that he may want a raise without going completely insane and pricing himself out to all but the stupidest, most desperate teams.
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Cally is a useful offensive player on a different team with a different style imo. For what this team wants to be with AV, I don't think Cally fits all that well.

Make no mistake, Cally is going to get paid. More than likely close to or even more than 6 million on the open market. A player like him has to do it because this may be it for him.
 
kenjets36 said:
There needs to be a follow up move to Del Zotto. It needs to happen.

As much as I was on Del Zotto, he was at least putting up points on the power play. Moore doesn't have the same vision. Del Zotto taketh away (with his stupid turnovers) but he also occasionally giveth. Klein is a stay at home defender, and while that's great and all, the offensive potential that DZ provided (mind you I said potential and not production) needs to be replaced.
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Yea, but he wasn't though… He barely played on the PP. He'd recently been getting minutes on the 2nd unit where he continued to do squat. I agree that they need an offensive PMD who can run the PP, but that's nothing new. They've pretty much needed that since Leetch left. This is no new occurrence that has anything to do with the MDZ trade.
 
JayMan82 said:
No way we would get that much for Girardi, I don't even think they'd trade Reilly Smith straight up...
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They got 2 defenders on LTIR
Girardi is a top 2 ALLSTAR guy

They are totally stacked up front
I think they do it
They are going for it now
BUT WE WILL NEVER SEE
Cuz Geezer Glen gonna throw a big wad of U$D twds our Captain for a 6-7 year deal and we will all in agony watch him fall apart
Hockey is different in NYC
 
Boy am I out of the loop?

I'm reading about moving Cally and G for top prospects and draft choices?

Am I being led to believe the Rangers are rebuilding?

Shows how little I know.
 
BBKers said:
Reilly Smith, Alexander Khokhlachev, Joe Morrow & a 2014 1st to Boston for Dan Girardi, Ryan Bourque and a 2015 3rd rounder

Ondrej Palat, Andrej Sustr and a 1st rounder 2014 to TBL for Ryan Callahan and Andrew Yogan

Patrik Berglund + 3rd to St Louis for D Brassard + 2nd

Byron Boyle + B Nieves + something to Phoenix for D Rundblad

RESTOCKS THE FARM
GIVES US OPTIONS AT THE DRAFT
WILL NEVER HAPPEN THO
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There's not a chance in hell that Boston goes for that… I think a 1st + possibly Joe Morrow (max) is the deal you'd be looking at. Ryan Bourque holds no value, and the 3rd is worth very little when you factor in the other pieces of the deal.

I also have no idea why St Louis wants to tinker with their team to add Brassard over Berglund…
 
All this talk of trading those two, I'll believe it when I see it.

It's pure fantasy when talking about Sather.
 
kenjets36 said:
Honestly I could give 2 ***** about what Anaheim fans think Girardi is worth. To be honest, it holds absolutely no relevance on what he is actually worth.

He's the best available UFA defender, best available defender period. Teams will overpay, even if its not the Ducks. Supply and demand. Not nearly enough supply of defenders available, especially elite ones. Girardi is 1st pairing material, reliable, always playing, defensively responsible, with leadership and playoff experience.

You're gonna tell me that conceivably the 29th pick and a B level prospect is fair value for that? Good joke.
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I gonna tell you that what Anaheim fans say which you're right doesn't amount to dookie.
 
Blueshirt Believer said:
Cally is a useful offensive player on a different team with a different style imo. For what this team wants to be with AV, I don't think Cally fits all that well.

Make no mistake, Cally is going to get paid. More than likely close to or even more than 6 million on the open market. A player like him has to do it because this may be it for him.
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I think a good team is a versatile team. I wouldn't expect an entire lineup of Callahan like players to play AV's system well, but I really don't think the system is going to hold him back to the point that he's not useful anymore or can't play his usual role anymore. This team, any team, can't be all dipsy doodle players who want to make the perfect pass and attempt bang bang plays all the time. Some people need to play north south and just get the puck on net. Yes, even someone on a scoring line.

It's hard enough to get 9 top 9 forwards who compliment each other and aren't thrown in over their heads, if you're going to limit the pool to only guys who fit the current coach's system perfectly, you're going to have a real hard time finding people to fill out the offense. Plus, you can end up like the Rangers have been, and turnover half your roster every other year as the coaches come and go and whims change.

I'm not against trading him if he wants an absurd contract and/or the team has some scheme by which to get a passable player in his spot, but I haven't seen even any proof yet that either of those things are going to materialize. I'm not saying they won't, but it's a guessing game right now.
 
i bet Sather would rather let Girardi and Callahan walk then trading them in the mist of a playoff race. Sather rather take that risk.. :shakehead:help: he should do what the sharks did with Clowe and Murray. they also been with that team for a long time... recoup assets and see if some prospect in the system can surprise and take that jump...
 
JayMan82 said:
No way we would get that much for Girardi, I don't even think they'd trade Reilly Smith straight up...
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Yep. Too late on Smith, he's already broken out. Change it to Mark Fraser, Koko and the 1st. They're not parting with Morrow on top of that.
 
Sweet Gerald said:
If I ever had to see Girardi in a Bruins sweater I would throw up all over the internet, all over it
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really? Then how did this make you feel?

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Ryan Clowe had zero goals when he was traded to the Rangers last year. Douglas Murray was so well regarded he signed with Montreal at the end of August last year. I keep reading this comparison of Clowe and Murray and it's apples and oranges v. what Callahan and Girardi are worth to the Rangers.

Look, if the Rangers are out of it at the deadline it makes sense to trade Callahan and Girardi. It would be crazy to think otherwise but it's not likely that's going to be the case. I also highly doubt the Rangers will trade either player to a team like Boston who the Rangers could end up facing in the first round. If Girardi and Callahan are traded they should be traded to the Western Conference. We aren't Buffalo, we don't need to trade either player. The Rangers might want these players back and think the best thing to do for the organization is wait until after the season. Who the hell knows.


Also, a team will NEVER EVER risk losing a draft pick(s) and fines by coming to an backroom agreement on terms of a UFA contract with a player to scam another team in a trade. What if the player says no I'm not interested and tells his agent? No team is going to risk that. The Rangers would never be able to have that conversation with an agent because the agent would lose his certification if he made a backroom deal. Why? Because he would be colluding against his own client!!!! What if the player gets hurt? What team would ever trade with the Rangers again if they did that. No way the Rangers would even consider having that conversation with a player. It's crazy to suggest it. It's like suggesting the Rangers pay someone the league minimum but hire the players wife and pay them a 4 million bucks a year. Why don't teams pay guys under the table? These things are collectively bargained. Can you imagine what the league would do to the Rangers if they trade Callahan to the Avs and the Avs find out the Rangers made a deal to resign on Callahan on July 1st!!
 
I have to agree with SOS. What Tkachuk did years ago when he signed back with the Blues after being rented off to Atlanta is nothing short of shady. I'm shocked that it hasn't been written into the CBA yet.

As far as a follow up to the Del Zotto move, I can see one of Callahan or Girardi shipped off along with a player we won't expect for an established top 6 forward or a puck moving defenseman. Some names I'll throw out there: Andrew Ladd, Alex Edler, Big Buff (as a forward), Alex Semin, and Keith Yandle.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
I have to agree with SOS. What Tkachuk did years ago when he signed back with the Blues after being rented off to Atlanta is nothing short of shady. I'm shocked that it hasn't been written into the CBA yet.

As far as a follow up to the Del Zotto move, I can see one of Callahan or Girardi shipped off along with a player we won't expect for an established top 6 forward or a puck moving defenseman. Some names I'll throw out there: Andrew Ladd, Alex Edler, Big Buff (as a forward), Alex Semin, and Keith Yandle.
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That's a name I am interested in too.
 
Look at the standings. The Rangers lost 2 in a row and they will fall out of a playoff spot if they lose a few more in a row. You can't base moves on where the team sits in the standings. The Rangers played good hockey for three weeks and it can be undone with a few weeks of bad hockey. The Rangers aren't going to be out of a playoff spot by the deadline because all of the teams are mediocre and there is a 3 week Olympic break. There aren't enough games to fall out. Even if the Rangers trade a player or two or three,will they really be out of the race? In this conference? You can't say we're 2nd in our division today so we have to keep everyone. Next week,the team will be 4th in the division but a point or two out of 3rd in the division and the 2nd WC. Does the philosophy change? Don't use the standings as an excuse not to make the proper decisions. Don't tell me next year is next year because next year comes on March 6.
 
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