Rumor: Trade Rumor Thread III: "Trade 40 goal scorer for picks= Cup contenders" edition

[NYR Viper]

You can really tell who has watched this kid play and who hasn't. It's the Nash argument all over again.

Del Zotto, on this team, is the 4th best defensemen we have. While he's the best PMD we have, that doesn't necessarily put him in a different class than the other guys. For the sake of argument, let's say the deal is ROR and Barrie for MDZ and a prospect. You've dealt your 4th best defensemen, who has maybe #2 upside, for a guy who is arguably now in a tie as your 2nd best center and has #1 upside. You've also brought back a very good PMD who is right handed and NHL ready.

Center is arguably the most important position on the ice. Adding ROR allows Miller to return to the AHL to continue his development. It also gives us a viable center for Callahan on what has the makings of a very high-end shutdown line.

He's not likely ever going to be a 90pt first line center, but if he can give us 65+ points and elite two-way play, that's just fine by me.

If the Avs will move Barrie with him I'd sign up for that. I think O'Reilly has Bergeron upside. Bergeron is a dominant force on both ends of the rink.

 

[NYR Viper]

its also not JUST Del Zotto, its Del Zotto AND a proven forward (at this point) for ROR, so thats still considered a package.

MDZ + Byle is not the same as MDZ + Kreider + Dubisnky + that was rumored as what Columbus was asking for.


Also, as for your other post, the Avs defense isn't that bad, O'Brien can be a solid #5 or 6 on this team. Of course he has his limitations, but if he didn't then he would be a top 4

 

[Barnaby]

How come so many teams are jumping at the bit to trade for him then? There were MANy teams intereted in Nash (he just had a select few that he wanted to go to)?. This is far from a Nash situation, and people didnt want to include DZ for NASH, now we're talking about giving him up for ROR? .. I'd take ROR, just not at the expense of making our defense much worse.

We NEEDED Nash, he was a neccessity, not a luxury. We needed to add more scoring punch and more creativity. We needed someone who had the ability to take over a game, and we got that with Nash. Then we neded some depth to replace guys like AA or Dubi, and we did that with Pyatt, Powe, and the promotion of Miller.

Nash was a COMPLETELY different situation considering his salary, term, and the NTC. If Nash was available to anyone, then you absolutely would have moved DZ for him. It was a leverage situation.

ROR is the real deal, and I honestly think that a DZ is easier to find than an ROR. ROR would be the perfect fit for this team. You need strength in the middle, and he'd be the perfect answer to your Tavares, Giroux, and Crosby defensively. I'd hate to lose DZ, but he's an offensive defenseman who can't run our PP. He'd be a huge loss, but he can be replaced over time. Finding a 60-70 point selke caliber center anywhere else isn't happening.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

MDZ + Byle is not the same as MDZ + Kreider + Dubisnky + that was rumored as what Columbus was asking for.


Also, as for your other post, the Avs defense isn't that bad, O'Brien can be a solid #5 or 6 on this team. Of course he has his limitations, but if he didn't then he would be a top 4

If the Rangers were to make this trade, they would have to be damn sure that Stralman can stick at playing top 4 minutes. He did in a small sample size when Girardi was out. If not, then we'd have 3 great defensemen a bottom pairing guy in Stralman, and a bunch of crap.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the Rangers were to make this trade, they would have to be damn sure that Stralman can stick at playing top 4 minutes. He did in a small sample size when Girardi was out. If not, then we'd have 3 great defensemen a bottom pairing guy in Stralman, and a bunch of crap.

You make this trade not just for this season, but for foreseeable future.

If they can get a dman from Colorado than you have those 4 you mentioned, another bottom pairing guy, and Gilroy.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Nash was a COMPLETELY different situation considering his salary, term, and the NTC. If Nash was available to anyone, then you absolutely would have moved DZ for him. It was a leverage situation.

ROR is the real deal, and I honestly think that a DZ is easier to find than an ROR. ROR would be the perfect fit for this team. You need strength in the middle, and he'd be the perfect answer to your Tavares, Giroux, and Crosby defensively. I'd hate to lose DZ, but he's an offensive defenseman who can't run our PP. He'd be a huge loss, but he can be replaced over time. Finding a 60-70 point selke caliber center anywhere else isn't happening.

We are going to have to pay ROR too, which according to reports he's asking for somewhere close to 5M per if he only takes a 2 year deal, thats been the whole sticking point with Colorado, he wants too much money. How can we afford to give him that and give up Del Zotto considerably making our defense weaker?

 

[Barnaby]

DZ and Kreider for ROR, Barrie, and O'brien... do you pull the trigger?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

You make this trade not just for this season, but for foreseeable future.

If they can get a dman from Colorado than you have those 4 you mentioned, another bottom pairing guy, and Gilroy.

Here's an honest question, why not just buy out Richards, and sign Getzlaf as an UFA this off season? That would give us Getzlaf, Stepan, Miller, etc going forward while keeping Del Zotto.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Anyway, I'm not going to complain if we give up Del Zotto for ROR, because then Slats thinks its the best deal. I trust Slats, dude is a damn magician when it comes to trades.

 

[NYR Viper]

Players like O'Reilly don't become available very often. Teams lock,these guys up first and are more willing to lose high end offensive talent. Callahan, Bergeron, Toews, players who bring offense while being superb defensively are nearly impossible to find.

 

[NYR Viper]

DZ and Kreider for ROR, Barrie, and O'brien... do you pull the trigger?

No. I would move Boyle with MDZ, opens a NHl spot for O'Reilly now and clears a bit of cap.

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's an honest question, why not just buy out Richards, and sign Getzlaf as an UFA this off season? That would give us Getzlaf, Stepan, Miller, etc going forward while keeping Del Zotto.

What's stopping you from doing both? ROR won't break the bank. 3.25-3.5. If Richards continues to struggle, go that route.

 

[Barnaby]

We are going to have to pay ROR too, which according to reports he's asking for somewhere close to 5M per if he only takes a 2 year deal, thats been the whole sticking point with Colorado, he wants too much money. How can we afford to give him that and give up Del Zotto considerably making our defense weaker?

According to his agent - he's not looking for 5 mill per, but wants more than a 2 year deal. DZ will be making 4+ in 2 years time - thats with McD, Staal, and Girardi getting raises - how much can you afford to invest in an offensive blue liner who can't run your PP.

Again, I'm not trying to kill MDZ - I like him. However he's a 2nd pairing defensemen to me which can be replaced at some point while guys like ROR just do not become available.

 

[Tawnos]

DZ and Kreider for ROR, Barrie, and O'brien... do you pull the trigger?

I'd be looking to possibly flip Stepan for a winger in a scenario like that.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

ROR won't break the bank. 3.25-3.5. .

Did you tell O'reilly and his agent that?

 

[Barnaby]

Here's an honest question, why not just buy out Richards, and sign Getzlaf as an UFA this off season? That would give us Getzlaf, Stepan, Miller, etc going forward while keeping Del Zotto.

Well, your giving Richards - a very productive player - A LOT of money to walk away - then giving Getzlaf a huge deal to come here. That's a TON of money - for how much of an upgrade? You're also assuming that out of 30 teams - Getzlaf wants to be a Ranger. Teams will be lining up to sign him - not just the Rangers.

 

[NYR Viper]

Did you tell O'reilly and his agent that?

I get the feeling he doesn't want to go back and play in Colorado....

 

[Tawnos]

DZ and Kreider for ROR, Barrie, and O'brien... do you pull the trigger?

I'd be looking to possibly flip Stepan for a winger in a scenario like that.

And it just occured to me. If all of that were to happen, we'd be turning into the Philadelphia Flyers.

 

[NYR Viper]

And it just occured to me. If all of that were to happen, we'd be turning into the Philadelphia Flyers.

The Flyers don't have McDonah, Girardi or Staal. or Hank. How so?

 

[Barnaby]

I'd be looking to possibly flip Stepan for a winger in a scenario like that.

... or Stepan in a package for Yandle... boot up the x-box - I'm playing NHL 13!!

 

[Tawnos]

The Flyers don't have McDonah, Girardi or Staal. or Hank. How so?

Huge retool after a pretty successful season. Flyers did it when they had Pronger, Timmonen, Meszaros, and Carle.

 

[azrok22]

Well, your giving Richards - a very productive player - A LOT of money to walk away - then giving Getzlaf a huge deal to come here. That's a TON of money - for how much of an upgrade? You're also assuming that out of 30 teams - Getzlaf wants to be a Ranger. Teams will be lining up to sign him - not just the Rangers.

It would be less about upgrading from Richards to Getzlaf, and more about eliminating any risk that Richards either (a) declines to the extent that his contract becomes an albatross or (b) retires prior to the end of his contract and the Rangers get screwed by the new CBAs cap hit benefit recapture formula.

The expectation that we may need to buyout Richards in the next two years even if he does not decline is the only reason I'd even consider moving Del Zotto for O'Reilly+.

 

[azrok22]

DZ and Kreider for ROR, Barrie, and O'brien... do you pull the trigger?

I would not. I would strongly consider MDZ + Boyle for O'Reilly + Barrie/Elliot + O'Brien.

If they wanted DZ + Kreider, I would Want O'Reilly + EJ (note: I still believe Colorado has no interest in moving EJ and the reason they're looking for a LHD is to play with EJ).

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

... or Stepan in a package for Yandle... boot up the x-box - I'm playing NHL 13!!

sure, if we can turn Del Zotto and Stepan into Yandle and ROR and still be able to resign our other players sign me up.

 

[azrok22]

Here's an honest question, why not just buy out Richards, and sign Getzlaf as an UFA this off season? That would give us Getzlaf, Stepan, Miller, etc going forward while keeping Del Zotto.

Because you need to decide on the buyout before you can sign Getzlaf (unless you're trading for him and signing him before July 1). Buying out Richards and failing to sign Getzlaf leaves this team in a significantly weaker position. In fact, I'd be more inclined to trade Gaborik around the draft, use Gaborik cap hit money to make an offer for Getzlaf if he hits July 1, and if you somehow get Getzlaf, still buyout Richards after the 2012-2013 season while shifting his cap space toward the wing.

EDIT: Still living in fantasy land, if we were to acquire O'Reilly, I'd be much more inclined to buyout Richards this offseason and make a run at Corey Perry, who I think is a lot likelier to hit UFA than Getzlaf.